Old RV Ag said:

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Spyderman said:

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cobizzle said:

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What do you think about the idea that the debris was from Project Mogul? I believe the balloons they used stretched miles in the air. Could explain the massive amount of debris. I do remember there being arguments against it that I thought sounded reasonable. I don't remember them off the top of my head though.

As for how you tell the public you've been lying all these years....I have no idea. You'd have to hope the public could respond in an "Oh. I get why I can't know. It would expose us to _____." But that won't happen. And I'm not sure I'd want it to happen. Also depending on the lies and how deep they go, are any of them strong enough to tank the country? How much public trust would you lose? Why should the citizens believe anything you say now?

I hope one day I can understand reality. No matter what the truth is.

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I believe it was not a balloon of any sort via the testimony of Col. Jesse Marcel. And many of the people living in Roswell at the time. There are also CIA documents that mention the event in Roswell. There is sooooooo much evidence that says it was indeed something not of earth origin. I am interested in why you think our government should not come clean on this event? The on-gong coverup itself has been a national security issue in itself.

And yes, Pearl Harbor happened as well.

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Sorry, not sure there's enough sugar for the world population to handle that.

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It's not easy for some.

The Phenomena

Powerful James Fox documentary recently released. The 1994 school yard encounter in Zimbabe is presented towards the end...kids don't have an agenda.

To clarify, it's not that I think they should keep lying about the event.

It's that because I don't know the actual truth, I cannot say for sure that it would be best if they "come clean."

Absolutely I think truth > any falsehood and it's probably true in the grand scheme of things if we want to get deeply philosophical. I just leave the door open for the possibility that if I knew the actual truth I might respond like "yeah...I probably would lie about it too."

Of course, I like to think that I would be for 100% transparency. But since I don't really know, I can't REALLY say.

I'm open, though. Is that link really the full Phenomenon documentary? I'm excited to watch that one. The Zimbabwe story you mention, when I've heard it told, is certainly intriguing.

I watched it yesterday.

STRONG RECOMMEND

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I just saw a photo of a alien supertanker hovering 350 ft above the water. Those alien flying tic tac vids got nothing on the alien flying supertankers.

Remote viewing is a technique developed by our CIA and Stanford Research Institute for military espionage purposes mainly. It is something THEY have no control over and can not regulate:

ET on Mars

I will just say that The Farsight Institute is a private research entity that has taken this ball and run with it with several projects of great interest. Mars, the origin of the C19 virus, Roswell etc etc.

Spyderman said:

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Remote viewing is a technique developed by our CIA and Stanford Research Institute for military espionage purposes mainly. It is something THEY have no control over and can not regulate:

ET on Mars

I will just say that The Farsight Institute is a private research entity that has taken this ball and run with it with several projects of great interest. Mars, the origin of the C19 virus, Roswell etc etc.

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Sydy... you are saying that COVID and Roswell crashes both came from Mars?

Reality exists in dimensions - and sometimes they collide. Sometimes the veil is thin. What exists? Dimensions....High Strangeness:
- Our material world
- God - the supernatural
- Angels / Demons - the preternatural
- Other creations (may be preternatural) that manifest in the material world....
What we may perceive as "monsters" or "fairies," such as Bigfoot (inter-dimensional explains Bigfoot, which is a real phenomenon in my opinion)
- Aliens - could be preternatural, could be inter-dimensional, could be another material creation we don't comprehend yet....or a combination

The case for inter-dimensional is strong. Listen, for example, to this podcast with a talented and dogged researcher who has interviewed HUNDREDS of credible witnesses covering a small area (Yorkshire).

Commonality is: flashes of light, sudden appearance and disappearance, an otherworldly touch to our material world (including very precise mutilation).

https://theunexplained.tv/episodes/edition-526-paul-sinclair

In Hebrew, and in the context of the OT (read Protestant scholar Michael Heiser) ....
Satan means accuser, like angel means messenger. So, lots of satans in the angelic rebellions.

The terms in context are less a proper name or a category of being, but rather a descriptive term of their job or action.

God holds court, where he is the Elohim of elohims. Some of His creation are messengers, or angels. Many are not.

In my opinion, at least some of the phenomena (watch the documentary The Phenomenon, its fantastic) are inter-dimensional elohims...these are "gods" (Hebrew OT, not my phrasing).

Strong Recommend
Those interested should follow Jimmy Akin Mysterious World podcast. He's talked about aliens a-plenty:
https://sqpn.com/category/podcasts/akin/

I wouldn't let redstone hijack your thread Spyderman. It's bad for business.

Uh, Spyder and I have been in harmony on this topic for several years.

How about you explain in detail your analysis of such phenomena?

AndesAg92 said:

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Spyderman said:

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Remote viewing is a technique developed by our CIA and Stanford Research Institute for military espionage purposes mainly. It is something THEY have no control over and can not regulate:

ET on Mars

I will just say that The Farsight Institute is a private research entity that has taken this ball and run with it with several projects of great interest. Mars, the origin of the C19 virus, Roswell etc etc.

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Sydy... you are saying that COVID and Roswell crashes both came from Mars?

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Oh not at all. The data collected didn't suggest it either. I'm much more convinced in the reality of ET than the validity of remote viewing. But for our CIA and many others to have such a great interest in it may possibly mean there is something to it. Its uncanny when 3-4 viewers all report on roughly the same thing/event etc. when presented a target to view. Ex: Roswell-not a weather balloon, Covid-it was genetically modified in a lab in Wuhan China, Mars-much more going on there than the National Geographic would reveal.

Need another NYT article or such to get the ball rolling again in regards to this on-going disclosure process.

Oddly, i would characterize the declassified cia remote viewing files as concluding that remote viewing was absolutely real, but not comsistently timely or specific enough to use as a real intelligence tool.

They had some spectacular successes though.

Then again who knows what has happened in the 40 plus years since they supposedly cancelled the programs.

That last line, though.

He had a successful day. 9-9 in silver plays is quite literally out there.

https://www.mysterywire.com/ufo/bill-chalker-australia-ufo/

Interesting tale if true..

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https://www.mysterywire.com/ufo/bill-chalker-australia-ufo/

Interesting tale if true..

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I know you said you were and instect-ologist

But forgot, do you work for TAMU or in CS right?

I'm all about this thread. Just trying to keep redstone at bay for you...

Again, Spyder and I are in harmony on this topic. And we have been for approaching a decade now.

So, how about we stick to the topic?

AndesAg92 said:

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Spyderman said:

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https://www.mysterywire.com/ufo/bill-chalker-australia-ufo/

Interesting tale if true..

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I know you said you were and instect-ologist

But forgot, do you work for TAMU or in CS right?

I'm all about this thread. Just trying to keep redstone at bay for you...

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In the past yes. Private lab-work at the moment in BCS. Red is good folk.

Nice presentation per our favorite historian/researcher.

This video is a follow-up to my inter-dimensional summary above.

I believe in Mary Ann's abilities (she is a Catholic, though sympathetic to notion of past lives, which maybe you can reconcile with purgatory though probably not).

......Inter-dimensional creations, some in rebellion against their Creator (like humans do also). Big explanatory power, including for Bigfoot (a real phenomenon, though not necessarily a hominid IMO).

Watch these 2 minutes.

Now, explain to me how that is not some measure of disclosure.

Oh my first post on this thread, I said I would be dropping giant I TOLD YOU SOs here - this thread is my chosen spot.

Well - not quite yet. But he just did something important, didn't he?

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Is that a direct quote? Moves that humans don't have the technology for?

G Martin 87 said:

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Agthatbuilds said:

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Is that a direct quote? Moves that humans don't have the technology for?

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Actually, humans do know how to build a plane without a sonic boom (i.e., dissipate the shock wave).

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2165683-nasa-is-trying-to-build-a-supersonic-aircraft-without-the-boom/

My nephew works with DARPA and in the 90s after the Soviet Union broke up they were able to gain more free access (and discuss) many more things - one was the Soviets had developed advanced technologies for such things as no "sonic boom" when traveling faster than the speed of sound.

Old RV Ag said:

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Is that a direct quote? Moves that humans don't have the technology for?

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Actually, humans do know how to build a plane without a sonic boom (i.e., dissipate the shock wave).

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2165683-nasa-is-trying-to-build-a-supersonic-aircraft-without-the-boom/

My nephew works with DARPA and in the 90s after the Soviet Union broke up they were able to gain more free access (and discuss) many more things - one was the Soviets had developed advanced technologies for such things as no "sonic boom" when traveling faster than the speed of sound.

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Right, that's the reason I'm wondering if he really said "humans" and not just "Americans." Assuming Ratcliffe is speaking the truth, the former is a bombshell while the latter is not.

Many of the unexplained sightings are "reflections, glares, etc." on screens and lenses that move off the videos and cameras at warp speed as the recording device is moved or a persons eye moves.

Some are lasers that when swung at ground level moves the light at speeds greater than anything can fly. (Just like shining a flashlight across a room.)

They keep showing that tired old video of a jet's radar tracking a device flying exactly like a drone. Why didn't that jet fly to it and take a picture with an I-Phone.

Yes, they will release "reports" of UFO's just like there has always been since cave man days.

There will "NOT" be any PICTURES of DETAILS or any actual proof.

Same ol' same ol'

https://www.farsightprime.com/presidential-meetings-with-extraterrestrials/videos/presidents-and-ets-trailer-vimeo

Remote viewing teaser of alleged ET meeting with Political leader.

sail33or said:

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Many of the unexplained sightings are "reflections, glares, etc." on screens and lenses that move off the videos and cameras at warp speed as the recording device is moved or a persons eye moves.

Some are lasers that when swung at ground level moves the light at speeds greater than anything can fly. (Just like shining a flashlight across a room.)

They keep showing that tired old video of a jet's radar tracking a device flying exactly like a drone. Why didn't that jet fly to it and take a picture with an I-Phone.

Yes, they will release "reports" of UFO's just like there has always been since cave man days.

There will "NOT" be any PICTURES of DETAILS or any actual proof.

Same ol' same ol'

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Agreed-the ongoing cover-up will obviously not be addressed.

A simple confirmation that our gov or cooperative contractor etc have material not of this planet. Then we can delve into the real stuff.

Will we see that? Dog and pony show come to mind.

Doubts...

Explain to me this... what benefit does disclosing any information about actual visits from otherworldly beings or materials from other planets give any government?

Not disclosing it protects national security. Disclosing it potentially opens the door up for pandemonium.


Why would they disclose?

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Explain to me this... what benefit does disclosing any information about actual visits from otherworldly beings or materials from other planets give any government?

Not disclosing it protects national security. Disclosing it potentially opens the door up for pandemonium.


Why would they disclose?

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There are many videos on this thread which address this.

For starters...the attempts to keep this reality a secret has been the greatest national security threat ever.

Not disclosing protects the status quo. Do we want to get beyond that and advance as a civilization?

While distasteful to plug my "inter-dimensional" summary shortly above, I really do think it offers the most explanatory power:

- the secrecy and the measures of disclosure....how do you discuss what is essentially metaphysical, and probably religious? (It's certainly anti-materialistic and "spiritual")

- the sudden appearance and disappearance of material objects, and of lights, and of "creatures"

- VERY odd phenomenon such as 411 (look up: missing 411) that tend to be tied to aliens / lights (both the truly disappeared and the somewhat disappeared such as Travis Walton)