Is UFO Secrecy Crumbling?

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If ET were admitted by the gov. it would c..nge nothing for me. It would be interesting but change nothing.

We know the gov. lies and covers up things, and a conspiracy is born - sometimes rightfully so.
Pretty much the same here...already convinced. But I think many would be effected to some degree. World views would have to be re-assessed or modified perhaps? What is it about ET that is so potentially disruptive? How far have we advanced in efforts to back-engineer off-world tech? How much involvement have they had in our development as a species? What else have they lied about? That's a good start..bu.t there is soooooo much more once we get past the clear, most easily to believe explanation for these object seen around the planet for thousands of years.

https://exonews.org/ufo-report-a-big-nothingburger/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+exonews%2FRpLk+%28Exo+News%29&utm_content=FeedBurner




I've always gone back and forth. After dwelling on this a lot over the last few months, I think I am in the skeptic camp. The absurdly unlikely events that have to occur in order for aliens to be visiting us just make it far more likely that all of these phenomena are earth-based in one way or another.

Among other things, you have to assume:

1. There is other life in the universe (which I am not at all convinced of).

2. The other life evolved to be intelligent (even more unlikely).

3. The other intelligent life is on a planet that happens to contain the raw materials to create a propulsion system.

4. The other intelligent life did, in fact, progress to the point of being able to develop a propulsion system that could take them off-world.

5. The other intelligent life developed a propulsion system or method of travel that allows them to travel FTL or bend space or otherwise travel interstellar distances.

6. The other intelligent life happened to find us.

7. The other intelligent life is so advanced that they can travel interstellar distances, but they don't want humanity to know about them, but for some reason they sometimes can't stay hidden and are sighted by people, etc, etc.

The above is only the tip of the iceberg. Some of these things are resolved if the aliens who are visiting us are in our own solar system, but the fact remains that the odds of us being visited by extraterrestrials are astronomically long.

We are already living on a planet with intelligent life and propulsion technology RIGHT NOW. It's almost an infinite amount more likely that there is an earth-based explanation for whatever it is people are seeing that they believe are aliens or alien technology. If it's earth-based, you eliminate all of those filters I listed, any one of which would be a complete barrier to extraterrestrial visitation if it wasn't the case, and all of which I think are highly, highly unlikely (except maybe number 1, that extraterrestrial life exists somewhere just as a general proposition).

I think it's kind of ludicrous to jump to the alien explanation when it's objectively far, FAR more likely that it's all earth-based. If governments lie and cover up (which they do), it's far, FAR more likely that they are lying and covering up advanced human technology, not alien visitation.
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PneumAg said:

Spyderman said:

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If ET were admitted by the gov. it would c..nge nothing for me. It would be interesting but change nothing.

We know the gov. lies and covers up things, and a conspiracy is born - sometimes rightfully so.
Pretty much the same here...already convinced. But I think many would be effected to some degree. World views would have to be re-assessed or modified perhaps? What is it about ET that is so potentially disruptive? How far have we advanced in efforts to back-engineer off-world tech? How much involvement have they had in our development as a species? What else have they lied about? That's a good start..bu.t there is soooooo much more once we get past the clear, most easily to believe explanation for these object seen around the planet for thousands of years.

https://exonews.org/ufo-report-a-big-nothingburger/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+exonews%2FRpLk+%28Exo+News%29&utm_content=FeedBurner




I've always gone back and forth. After dwelling on this a lot over the last few months, I think I am in the skeptic camp. The absurdly unlikely events that have to occur in order for aliens to be visiting us just make it far more likely that all of these phenomena are earth-based in one way or another.

Among other things, you have to assume:

1. There is other life in the universe (which I am not at all convinced of).

2. The other life evolved to be intelligent (even more unlikely).

3. The other intelligent life is on a planet that happens to contain the raw materials to create a propulsion system.

4. The other intelligent life did, in fact, progress to the point of being able to develop a propulsion system that could take them off-world.

5. The other intelligent life developed a propulsion system or method of travel that allows them to travel FTL or bend space or otherwise travel interstellar distances.

6. The other intelligent life happened to find us.

7. The other intelligent life is so advanced that they can travel interstellar distances, but they don't want humanity to know about them, but for some reason they sometimes can't stay hidden and are sighted by people, etc, etc.

The above is only the tip of the iceberg. Some of these things are resolved if the aliens who are visiting us are in our own solar system, but the fact remains that the odds of us being visited by extraterrestrials are astronomically long.

We are already living on a planet with intelligent life and propulsion technology RIGHT NOW. It's almost an infinite amount more likely that there is an earth-based explanation for whatever it is people are seeing that they believe are aliens or alien technology. If it's earth-based, you eliminate all of those filters I listed, any one of which would be a complete barrier to extraterrestrial visitation if it wasn't the case, and all of which I think are highly, highly unlikely (except maybe number 1, that extraterrestrial life exists somewhere just as a general proposition).

I think it's kind of ludicrous to jump to the alien explanation when it's objectively far, FAR more likely that it's all earth-based. If governments lie and cover up (which they do), it's far, FAR more likely that they are lying and covering up advanced human technology, not alien visitation.
Good data set-thank you.

The more I got to looking into the subject, the more I became convinced in its reality. IE..found much of that other iceberg.

But, even if our gov discloses more on this..do we accept it? Would we deem it valid? For me, I trust personal testimonies from ex military/intelligence/defense contractors far more than any gov. And those historians and researchers that know FAR more on this than I. It wasn't a weather balloon..

Apparently, those Aussies know..

https://unknownboundaries.com/once-classified-australian-docs-confirm-u-s-knew-some-ufos-extraterrestrial/
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https://exonews.org/70-years-of-ufo-cover-ups-are-finally-coming-to-an-end/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+exonews%2FRpLk+%28Exo+News%29&utm_content=FeedBurner

We shall see...
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TAMU purpose statement: To develop leaders of character dedicated to serving the greater good. Team entrance song at KYLE FIELD is laced with profanity including THE Nword..
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Spyderman said:

https://exonews.org/70-years-of-ufo-cover-ups-are-finally-coming-to-an-end/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+exonews%2FRpLk+%28Exo+News%29&utm_content=FeedBurner

We shall see...


Did this happen yet?
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https://skojecfile.steveskojec.com/p/6-reasons-the-pentagons-ufo-report
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Crazy stuff.

1 minute video of UFO submerging in the ocean:

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That was pretty interesting to see the splash. It means the object had physical substance, a projected energy or just simulated the water surface disturbance.
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bmks270 said:

Crazy stuff.

1 minute video of UFO submerging in the ocean:


Pretty sure I heard Peyton say Omaha in the video, or O-Ma-Ha, because it's 3 syllables...
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AndesAg92 said:

Spyderman said:

https://exonews.org/70-years-of-ufo-cover-ups-are-finally-coming-to-an-end/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+exonews%2FRpLk+%28Exo+News%29&utm_content=FeedBurner

We shall see...


Did this happen yet?
I wouldn't hold your breath. The opposition to disclosing this reality is insane. But things are in the works it would appear. Adm. Wilson held the cards, but balked. Congressional hearings are a must IMO.
Grab some popcorn...why the ongoing cover-up? The Phenomenon: FF to 1:22:35 https://tubitv.com/movies/632920/the-phenomenon

An est. 68 MILLION Americans, including 19 MILLION Black Children, have been killed in the WOMB since 1973-act, pray and vote accordingly.

TAMU purpose statement: To develop leaders of character dedicated to serving the greater good. Team entrance song at KYLE FIELD is laced with profanity including THE Nword..
The greater good?
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https://www.howandwhys.com/twining-memo-usaf-general-confirmed-ufos-are-real-in-1947/

Its a shame Gen Twining is no longer with us. He would make a great witness to appear during congressional hearings.
Grab some popcorn...why the ongoing cover-up? The Phenomenon: FF to 1:22:35 https://tubitv.com/movies/632920/the-phenomenon

An est. 68 MILLION Americans, including 19 MILLION Black Children, have been killed in the WOMB since 1973-act, pray and vote accordingly.

TAMU purpose statement: To develop leaders of character dedicated to serving the greater good. Team entrance song at KYLE FIELD is laced with profanity including THE Nword..
The greater good?
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https://exonews.org/does-roswell-debris-hold-evidence-of-off-world-vehicles/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+exonews%2FRpLk+%28Exo+News%29&utm_content=FeedBurner

Interesting article
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An est. 68 MILLION Americans, including 19 MILLION Black Children, have been killed in the WOMB since 1973-act, pray and vote accordingly.

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https://unknownboundaries.com/declassified-australian-ufo-files-tell-of-regulations-created-to-keep-pilots-and-retirees-silent/?fbclid=IwAR1EOjcYYT3eRD0P2XRTjb9D8c_-8ZLCOmQm3kwA1TZFlGIUTkVywe85xSQ

Nice article from down under.
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An est. 68 MILLION Americans, including 19 MILLION Black Children, have been killed in the WOMB since 1973-act, pray and vote accordingly.

TAMU purpose statement: To develop leaders of character dedicated to serving the greater good. Team entrance song at KYLE FIELD is laced with profanity including THE Nword..
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https://en.brinkwire.com/news/the-handling-of-ufos-by-the-us-defense-department-will-be-investigated-by-a-pentagon-watchdog/

If congressional hearings are the end-product via this...that would be a good thing.
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An est. 68 MILLION Americans, including 19 MILLION Black Children, have been killed in the WOMB since 1973-act, pray and vote accordingly.

TAMU purpose statement: To develop leaders of character dedicated to serving the greater good. Team entrance song at KYLE FIELD is laced with profanity including THE Nword..
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John is a good friend of Bob Lazar and encouraged him to come forth with his information back in 1989.
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An est. 68 MILLION Americans, including 19 MILLION Black Children, have been killed in the WOMB since 1973-act, pray and vote accordingly.

TAMU purpose statement: To develop leaders of character dedicated to serving the greater good. Team entrance song at KYLE FIELD is laced with profanity including THE Nword..
The greater good?
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https://unknownboundaries.com/summer-of-1945-ufos-monitor-nuclear-plant-and-visit-boy-fishing/

Back to the really important issues...

It would appear that our atomic weapon testing sent out a memo for those with detection equipment.
Grab some popcorn...why the ongoing cover-up? The Phenomenon: FF to 1:22:35 https://tubitv.com/movies/632920/the-phenomenon

An est. 68 MILLION Americans, including 19 MILLION Black Children, have been killed in the WOMB since 1973-act, pray and vote accordingly.

TAMU purpose statement: To develop leaders of character dedicated to serving the greater good. Team entrance song at KYLE FIELD is laced with profanity including THE Nword..
The greater good?
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https://exonews.org/mainstream-historian-attempts-to-explain-the-battle-of-la-ufo-conspiracy-theory-of-february-1942/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+exonews%2FRpLk+%28Exo+News%29&utm_content=FeedBurner

No, I'm not the sharpest tool the shed but...

J Edgar Hoover:
I would do it {study UFOs}, but before agreeing to do it, we must insist upon full access to discs recovered. For instance in the L.A. case, the Army grabbed it and would not let us have it for cursory examination."
Hoover, Edgar, J. Letter to Clyde Tolson, July 15, 1947

This apparently was some communication most likely regarding the crashed vehicle in New Mexico with the reference L.A. being the event in Los Angeles 5 years earlier.

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An est. 68 MILLION Americans, including 19 MILLION Black Children, have been killed in the WOMB since 1973-act, pray and vote accordingly.

TAMU purpose statement: To develop leaders of character dedicated to serving the greater good. Team entrance song at KYLE FIELD is laced with profanity including THE Nword..
The greater good?
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Another reasonable review of the facts:

https://losangeleno.com/strange-days/battle-of-los-angeles/

Has the Hoover quote ever been confirmed?
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https://losangeleno.com/strange-days/battle-of-los-angeles/
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Pic of UFOs? No not a government supplied pic.
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Researcher Richard Dolan knows the leaked memo is legit and has stated that story would not be going away. Yep, sure enough, here we go...
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An est. 68 MILLION Americans, including 19 MILLION Black Children, have been killed in the WOMB since 1973-act, pray and vote accordingly.

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Proper Twelve said:

Pic of UFOs? No not a government supplied pic.


50% chance here...it either is an et craft or it isnt
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An est. 68 MILLION Americans, including 19 MILLION Black Children, have been killed in the WOMB since 1973-act, pray and vote accordingly.

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The greater good?
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Spyderman said:

Proper Twelve said:

Pic of UFOs? No not a government supplied pic.


50% chance here...it either is an et craft or it isnt

Hmmm
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Proper Twelve said:

Spyderman said:

Proper Twelve said:

Pic of UFOs? No not a government supplied pic.


50% chance here...it either is an et craft or it isnt

Hmmm
Enhance
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Spyderman said:

Proper Twelve said:

Pic of UFOs? No not a government supplied pic.


50% chance here...it either is an et craft or it isnt


That's ET no doubt.
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black_ice said:

Spyderman said:

Proper Twelve said:

Pic of UFOs? No not a government supplied pic.


50% chance here...it either is an et craft or it isnt


That's ET no doubt.
Maybe a weather balloon, who knows?
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Do aliens listen to ****ty metal music?
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GoodBullShark said:

Do aliens listen to ****ty metal music?
Don Felder. Goes great with nyborg.

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GoodBullShark said:

Do aliens listen to ****ty metal music?
Of course not...only the great stuff..Therion and Nightwish would be my best guess.

back on focus:

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An est. 68 MILLION Americans, including 19 MILLION Black Children, have been killed in the WOMB since 1973-act, pray and vote accordingly.

TAMU purpose statement: To develop leaders of character dedicated to serving the greater good. Team entrance song at KYLE FIELD is laced with profanity including THE Nword..
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https://theunexplained.tv/episodes/edition-563-barry-di-gregorio

Astrobiologist Barry Di Gregorio believes he has "fossil evidence" of life on Mars...
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https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/566963-ufo-stigma-alien-conspiracy-theories-are-relics-of-cold-war
Grab some popcorn...why the ongoing cover-up? The Phenomenon: FF to 1:22:35 https://tubitv.com/movies/632920/the-phenomenon

An est. 68 MILLION Americans, including 19 MILLION Black Children, have been killed in the WOMB since 1973-act, pray and vote accordingly.

TAMU purpose statement: To develop leaders of character dedicated to serving the greater good. Team entrance song at KYLE FIELD is laced with profanity including THE Nword..
The greater good?
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https://theunexplained.tv/episodes/edition-562-ross-coulthart
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I think at some point the idea that life elsewhere is the norm, not a rare event will become common knowledge.

I'd guess there are those that are already aware of this. Might this fact justify keeping it hidden from humanity..perhaps..
Grab some popcorn...why the ongoing cover-up? The Phenomenon: FF to 1:22:35 https://tubitv.com/movies/632920/the-phenomenon

An est. 68 MILLION Americans, including 19 MILLION Black Children, have been killed in the WOMB since 1973-act, pray and vote accordingly.

TAMU purpose statement: To develop leaders of character dedicated to serving the greater good. Team entrance song at KYLE FIELD is laced with profanity including THE Nword..
The greater good?
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/Video/newsscienceandtechnology/tucker-carlson-investigates-ufos-on-fox-nation/vi-AANiuDO?ocid=sw

Tucker doing tucker things.

He has connected the dots..
Grab some popcorn...why the ongoing cover-up? The Phenomenon: FF to 1:22:35 https://tubitv.com/movies/632920/the-phenomenon

An est. 68 MILLION Americans, including 19 MILLION Black Children, have been killed in the WOMB since 1973-act, pray and vote accordingly.

TAMU purpose statement: To develop leaders of character dedicated to serving the greater good. Team entrance song at KYLE FIELD is laced with profanity including THE Nword..
The greater good?
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More dots to connect...
Grab some popcorn...why the ongoing cover-up? The Phenomenon: FF to 1:22:35 https://tubitv.com/movies/632920/the-phenomenon

An est. 68 MILLION Americans, including 19 MILLION Black Children, have been killed in the WOMB since 1973-act, pray and vote accordingly.

TAMU purpose statement: To develop leaders of character dedicated to serving the greater good. Team entrance song at KYLE FIELD is laced with profanity including THE Nword..
The greater good?
 
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