*** TRUE DETECTIVE: NIGHT COUNTRY ***

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OK I wasn't going to quote all the pre-season hype tweets but since this guy specifically states he has seen all of the episodes I have to assume they were mailed out to all their favorite pet "critics" to drum up support for the show.

I think from now on I'll go with the old school word of mouth recommendations as it's clear a large swath of reviewers have been compromised.
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Just because a critic/journalist likes something you don't doesn't mean they've been "compromised." It's not a conspiracy. I'm seeing plenty of people who genuinely thought this season was good. Now, do those people have bad taste and/or are they potentially being more favorable due to this season's perceived "wokeness"? Very likely so. But that doesn't mean they're in cahoots with HBO. I can name only four or five critics/journalists who consistently seem to carry water for a particular studio, and they're all Marvel fans who don't want to risk Disney retracting their premiere invitations. Otherwise, I've never once seen or heard evidence of any of these guys being in bed with HBO.
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Thank you, my brother
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TCTTS said:

Just because a critic/journalist likes something you don't doesn't mean they've been "compromised." It's not a conspiracy. I'm seeing plenty of people who genuinely thought this season was good. Now, do those people have bad taste and/or are they potentially being more favorable due to this season's perceived "wokeness"? Very likely so. But that doesn't mean they're in cahoots with HBO. I can name only four or five critics/journalists who consistently seem to carry water for a particular studio, and they're all Marvel fans who don't want to risk Disney retracting their premiere invitations. Otherwise, I've never once seen or heard evidence of any of these guys being in bed with HBO.
I hear you but when you read all the incredible praise for a show that had no major characters you cared about and not only didn't stick the landing but completely fell on it's ass it's hard not to think there is some base collusion afoot.
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I agree. Given the onslaught of 100% positive reviews that came out before the show airing, there is definitely something going on. There is no way all the critics loved this piece of trash. Heck, the critics should be trashing it more than the audience given the terrible writing and terrible plot points that went nowhere (at least the audience could possible be won over by the cool/dark setting or something and think that makes up for the show being terrible). How seemingly 100% of the critics could praise this show before it came out seems unbelievable and that they were all trying to drum up interest for the show (and possibly being paid to do so).
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Props to all the Ringer folk on this one. They didn't bow down or capitulate at all. Not that any of them do consistently, but every so often they can get a little too chummy with directors, showrunners, actors, etc, pull their punches, and not be quite as harsh as they probably could or should be.
Agreed, I think CR and Andy did a great job critiquing the series objectively. I haven't listened to the one from the Prestige TV podcast with Joanna and Rob. I think Joanna has been viewing the series through rose-colored glasses more than some of the other reviewers there, but sounds like even she was disappointed in the end product.

Though I disliked the series as a whole I will say one thing in Isa Lopez's defense, we don't know what this show was supposed to be before she agreed to have it shaped into a season of True Detective. This season of TV was not originally written to be a season of True Detective, but she and HBO ended up agreeing to turn her story into what we saw. Maybe what she wrote makes more sense when allowed to stand on its own before all the forced connections to season one were introduced. I have my doubts about whether it would be good, but I at least want to acknowledge we don't know how far her original story was distorted into the final product. This could be something where she publicly disassociates herself some time down the road.

That being said, I am quite disappointed in the last four episodes after such a strong start. There are way too many loose ends left. Way too many things left unexplored that could have been. Way too many times I rolled my eyes at what was happening. Way too many scenes that felt shoe-horned in that served no purpose. I can't figure out if the show was too long or too short, I feel like the argument can be made either way. Based on the first two episodes, the structure e there to make something good, better than what we got in the end.
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I'd love to know the motivation behind a positive review of this from any respectable critic.

Possibilities:
1. They just want to be a good little progressive that supports the cause.
2. They fear the blowback of criticizing the uncriticizable (online or within their social circle).
3. They're being paid by HBO (probably not this).
4. Rose-colored glasses that just want it to work.
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The tongue was SOOOO lame, it was a lazy plot device to force Navarro and Danvers to work together. The fact it was never explained is ridiculous. OK, that's my last critique on this show I promise.

Now to watch Tokyo Vice.
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Frustrating to watch such a poorly developed show and it sucks they decided to burn a few plots for this crap season. Travis Cohle and Alaska cant really be revisited now since they were haphazardly used for this season. Then they foolishly used Tuttle and the pedo spiral to try to tie it to Cohle and season 1, such a waste of effort. They did not even use the correct application of the spiral. There are only so many opportunities to tie a season to season 1 and they burned it on this, I simply cannot believe the lack of oversight. I can see why NP is frustrated with is quarter baked nonsense. Will be interesting to see where they go for season 5, Im guessing Atlanta.
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According to RT, 92% of critics gave this season a favorable review. Erik Kain at Forbes is not one of them.

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True Detective: Night Country is one of the worst mystery shows I've ever seen. I'm struggling to think of another detective series that I despised as much as I despised this one in the end. Season 2 was a disappointing follow-up to the first season of True Detective, but this doesn't even feel like the same show, despite its many attempts to convince us otherwise.
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The mystery itself hardly feels like a mystery at all, with no sense of organic urgency or even a coherent investigation. The messy plot is bogged down in dreary, tedious exposition and repetitive dialogue. Pacing is all over the place. Every time something exciting or interesting happens, the show slams on its brakes, devolving into yet another tedious conversation or leaping to a new scene in the most jarring way possible. The fantastic setting cannot save this dismal story from itself.
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Occasionally, in various desperate acts of fan-service, a line from Season 1 is jammed in where it doesn't belong. One Season 1 callback in particular during the season finale made me laugh out loud in dismay. I may or may not have shouted at my TV.
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You can get away with having a detective be this awful of a human being only if they make up for it with a Hercule Poirot-like intellect. Neither Danvers or Navarro possess much in the way of little grey cells, however. In the end, I felt nothing but disdain and disgust for both characters, whose actions in the season finale are beyond the pale.
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The ingredients of Night Country make for a sad list: Predictable, boring, unpleasant, preachy, and derivative. Toss in a dash of bad CGI and some atrociously mediocre cinematographynot to mention all the lame needle dropsand you're left with something that barely resembles True Detective.

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Oh man. The reddit has some gold in there.





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Sucked.
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Prosperdick said:

TCTTS said:


OK I wasn't going to quote all the pre-season hype tweets but since this guy specifically states he has seen all of the episodes I have to assume they were mailed out to all their favorite pet "critics" to drum up support for the show.

I think from now on I'll go with the old school word of mouth recommendations as it's clear a large swath of reviewers have been compromised.
The lesson I have learned is to google image the showrunner from now on. From now on if I see that it is a crazy feminist who looks like a witch that would send my family to the gulag for not vetting vaxxed...I'm out. Wish I had done this earlier. On a positive note, this thread introduced me to Mare of Easttown, which was GREAT.



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Prosperdick said:

The tongue was SOOOO lame, it was a lazy plot device to force Navarro and Danvers to work together. The fact it was never explained is ridiculous. OK, that's my last critique on this show I promise.

Now to watch Tokyo Vice.
This show is in a different stratosphere.
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So obvious politics and a certain agenda played into her getting this opportunity.
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VP at Pierce and Pierce said:

So obvious politics and a certain agenda played into her getting this opportunity.
DEI/political hire fosho, don't care what anyone says. I don't blame Pizzolato for being pissed...although I agree with others that he could have handled differently.
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Prosperdick said:

The tongue was SOOOO lame, it was a lazy plot device to force Navarro and Danvers to work together. The fact it was never explained is ridiculous. OK, that's my last critique on this show I promise.

Now to watch Tokyo Vice.
Just started s1 of Tokyo Vice and I'm into it so far.

If you want an Asian crime show of a very different vibe check out The Brothers Sun on Netflix.
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Very disappointed in TD season 4.

It was more like a Hallmark attempt at drama. The fact that all critics are raving makes it seem like DEI affirmation. Very forced.
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fig96 said:

Prosperdick said:

The tongue was SOOOO lame, it was a lazy plot device to force Navarro and Danvers to work together. The fact it was never explained is ridiculous. OK, that's my last critique on this show I promise.

Now to watch Tokyo Vice.
Just started s1 of Tokyo Vice and I'm into it so far.

If you want an Asian crime show of a very different vibe check out The Brothers Sun on Netflix.
S1 of Tokyo Vice is really good (a few uneven spots but overall I recommend it). Didn't think we were going to get a S2 with all the hot water the star of the show was in but they finished it and 3 episodes are already out of the new season (I think new ones are released each Thursday).
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mavsfan4ever said:

I agree. Given the onslaught of 100% positive reviews that came out before the show airing, there is definitely something going on. There is no way all the critics loved this piece of trash. Heck, the critics should be trashing it more than the audience given the terrible writing and terrible plot points that went nowhere (at least the audience could possible be won over by the cool/dark setting or something and think that makes up for the show being terrible). How seemingly 100% of the critics could praise this show before it came out seems unbelievable and that they were all trying to drum up interest for the show (and possibly being paid to do so).


The idea that HBO paid off all of these people is so far out of the realm of possibility, I don't know what to say. It would be one of the biggest entertainment scandals in YEARS, would instantly discredit dozens of critics/journalists to the point of all of them losing their jobs, and would implicate HBO - of all of networks - in one of the most needlessly insecure/chicken sh*t acts of bribery I can think of. Which wouldn't be remotely worth the risk, considering their history/pedigree/prestige, and simply makes zero sense.

Again, it's not a conspiracy.
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This season sucked so bad.
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I agree but does that instead mean all of these critics are terrible at their job and completely out of touch with regular viewers? I get everyone is allowed to have their own opinion on the show but don't see how any serious tv critic could come away with positive reviews from what we all watched.
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I think that the phenomenon of "being first" has become an increasingly complicated/blinding thing in certain instances. Whether it's the thrill of seeing something so highly anticipated before everyone else, or trying predict how you might be perceived culturally if not on the "right" side, a number of these people are probably letting outside factors affect their objectively.

But also, again… some of them may have genuinely liked it, in ways where they're able to look past many of the plot holes/inconsistencies.
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The "dark side" of the democratization of critical review rears its ugly head
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The big surprise to me was Sepinwall. I haven't read him as much the past couple years but I normally respect his opinions and at one point he used to actually understand the difference between good and bad television.
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It's also worth noting that not all of those initial reactions were from tried and true critics. Basically anyone at any of these entertainment outlets has access to the screeners. And often it's simply writer/pundit/podcaster X who's giving their two cents, not a trained critic or someone who intimately understands character/theme/structure/etc.
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TCTTS said:

mavsfan4ever said:

I agree. Given the onslaught of 100% positive reviews that came out before the show airing, there is definitely something going on. There is no way all the critics loved this piece of trash. Heck, the critics should be trashing it more than the audience given the terrible writing and terrible plot points that went nowhere (at least the audience could possible be won over by the cool/dark setting or something and think that makes up for the show being terrible). How seemingly 100% of the critics could praise this show before it came out seems unbelievable and that they were all trying to drum up interest for the show (and possibly being paid to do so).


The idea that HBO paid off all of these people is so far out of the realm of possibility, I don't know what to say. It would be one of the biggest entertainment scandals in YEARS, would instantly discredit dozens of critics/journalists to the point of all of them losing their jobs, and would implicate HBO - of all of networks - in one of the most needlessly insecure/chicken sh*t acts of bribery I can think of. Which wouldn't be remotely worth the risk, considering their history/pedigree/prestige, and simply makes zero sense.

Again, it's not a conspiracy.
You don't need to pay these types of people to support a "strong, edgy, bold, courageous, feminist, woman of color". They will trip all over themselves to do it.

Bonus that she wore Baphomet horns and smeared blood all over herself. She is clearly a force to be reckoned with.
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Bunk Moreland said:

The big surprise to me was Sepinwall. I haven't read him as much the past couple years but I normally respect his opinions and at one point he used to actually understand the difference between good and bad television.
I've respected him for years but I noticed on Community (which was a show I loved and he did as well) that they actually put him in a brief cameo appearance and that's when I thought, he's getting too close and if he keeps cozying up to entertainers he might just lose his objectivity.

I have no idea what his relationship is to Issa or True Detective in general but perhaps that played into it.
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There was a noticeable disconnect with him pre-pandemic, around the end of last decade. I'm not saying everyone has to love Succession, but when he was unable to connect with such a popular, prestige, award-winning "it" show, that was the first time something felt "off" with him. And then ever since I've noticed myself increasingly and consistently disagreeing with him on a number of other shows. When, prior to Succession, I can't think of a critic I aligned with or sought out more.
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I don't know what his general complaints were with Succession but I wasn't a fan either. It was tv drama porn imo, and quite gratuitously done.

What did he think of Westworld? That was another that I decided to stay on after season 1 and give season 2 a shot to improve. After S2E1 I said thanks but no thanks.
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I finished this last night and I must say that it greatly disappointed me. The entire show was just a liberal commercial and it was like Victoria's Secret trying to tell us that having Kate Upton in lingerie is exactly the same as Megan Rapinoe or some trans model. No matter how much they wanted Season 4 to be attached to Season 1, its just never gonna be looked at in the same vein.
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Bunk Moreland said:

I don't know what his general complaints were with Succession but I wasn't a fan either. It was tv drama porn imo, and quite gratuitously done.

What did he think of Westworld? That was another that I decided to stay on after season 1 and give season 2 a shot to improve. After S2E1 I said thanks but no thanks.


What made it porn, in your eyes?
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I like to call it "Pitchfork Syndrome." I used to consume everything Pitchfork had to offer when it came to music reviews and critiques, but they started smelling their own farts so deeply that they began choking on their un-ironic mullets.
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How many of these reviewers get the entire season up front? Is it possible that watching it weekly instead of all at once leads to a different view of the work?
 
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