Also did anyone else feel like Bill was really just a gay, post-apocalyptic version of Ron Swanson?
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JDUB08AG said:I actually kind of like them showing how others lived in this new world post outbreak. While it won't necessarily have a direct link to the show's direction, this background insight will shape some of our thinking as they make their journey.J. Walter Weatherman said:
I think if I were binging this show I'd be more ok with what basically amounted to a bottle episode, but it was pretty annoying to wait a week for an episode that barely moved the plot along and now have another week until the next one. I was actually excited when they went back to another flashback and really liked the reveal of the original outbreak, but 50 minutes of just the two of them seemed like overkill to me and probably could have been told in half the time. Of course I also hated Fly and other similar type bottle episodes for the same reason.
This. I think we were all caught off guard by the episode being almost entirely about Bill and Frank. But it was cool to see other characters' story unfold throughout the 20-year post-outbreak timeline. All to set the stage for Joel to go into the house and find the note and get supplies.
Didn't move the plot forward a whole lot but made this show way more emotional and sad than it already is.
Now that they explained the source of the 80s music, is there any other big unexplained things left?
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-the fact that as soon as they kissed I immediately thought hat TCTTS and aTmAg would get in a slap fight full of passive aggressive ad hominem attacks
Or
-the fact I was right
aTmAg said:
Now that they explained the source of the 80s music, is there any other big unexplained things left?
Good point, something other than the fact that they were committing suicide?
joerobert_pete06 said:aTmAg said:
Now that they explained the source of the 80s music, is there any other big unexplained things left?
Good point, something other than the fact that they were committing suicide?
Joel said when they were in the bunker that if they didn't reset the timer on the computer it would start on the 80's playlist. They died and didn't reset it, therefore the 80's got played.
Nagler said:joerobert_pete06 said:aTmAg said:
Now that they explained the source of the 80s music, is there any other big unexplained things left?
Good point, something other than the fact that they were committing suicide?
Joel said when they were in the bunker that if they didn't reset the timer on the computer it would start on the 80's playlist. They died and didn't reset it, therefore the 80's got played.
So then they must have died like the day before, is that timeline correct? Ellie said the 80s music played right before they left
joerobert_pete06 said:Nagler said:joerobert_pete06 said:aTmAg said:
Now that they explained the source of the 80s music, is there any other big unexplained things left?
Good point, something other than the fact that they were committing suicide?
Joel said when they were in the bunker that if they didn't reset the timer on the computer it would start on the 80's playlist. They died and didn't reset it, therefore the 80's got played.
So then they must have died like the day before, is that timeline correct? Ellie said the 80s music played right before they left
Ellie lied to him to fool him into giving away what the code meant.
We get the 80s needle drop when they were walking out in the rain but not sure if that was meant to be taken as the radio. But they also mention the radio and playlist are on a delay and you can tell by the conditions around the house and the food some time has passed.
I think I remember fly's were still on the steak
Prefacing this question by saying the answer doesn't bother me either way, it's just a tv show.
Would gasoline still be usable after 20 years? Or would you have to refine more?
Would gasoline still be usable after 20 years? Or would you have to refine more?
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Some chemical engineer might correct me but based on everything I know, 20 months would be pushing it.
20 years?
No way.
20 years?
No way.
Yeah, I think there's a lot of these kinds of things that you just have to ignore or it'll drive you crazy. For me, it was when he drove into the power plant and simply had to turn a valve to get gas back to his house. Which, of course, was never shut off in the 20 years after that.Definitely Not A Cop said:
Prefacing this question by saying the answer doesn't bother me either way, it's just a tv show.
Would gasoline still be usable after 20 years? Or would you have to refine more?
Thanks. I mean, who knows, Bill knew how to run the natural gas plant, maybe he knows how to operate a refinery too.
Where did we get in a slap fight gull of passive aggressive ad hominem attacks?Four Seasons Landscaping said:
I don't know which fact I hate worse…
-the fact that as soon as they kissed I immediately thought hat TCTTS and aTmAg would get in a slap fight full of passive aggressive ad hominem attacks
Or
-the fact I was right
I think the show made it clear that it started playing 80s music because the computer timed out and nobody was there to reset the playlist (or something like that). So I think it's nothing more than a notification that they are dead.joerobert_pete06 said:aTmAg said:
Now that they explained the source of the 80s music, is there any other big unexplained things left?
Good point, something other than the fact that they were committing suicide?
I guess there is one big unknown left which is what happened to Tommy.
aTmAg said:I think the show made it clear that it started playing 80s music because the computer timed out and nobody was there to reset the playlist (or something like that). So I think it's nothing more than a notification that they are dead.joerobert_pete06 said:aTmAg said:
Now that they explained the source of the 80s music, is there any other big unexplained things left?
Good point, something other than the fact that they were committing suicide?
Yes, exactly. The '80s message was playing over the radio in the first episode so Joel and Ellie both knew something had gone down already.
Wait, Bill is gay?!?! Thanks for the spoiler alert!barbacoa taco said:
Also did anyone else feel like Bill was really just a gay, post-apocalyptic version of Ron Swanson?
Actually, it started playing after they left, if I remember right.fav13andac1)c said:aTmAg said:I think the show made it clear that it started playing 80s music because the computer timed out and nobody was there to reset the playlist (or something like that). So I think it's nothing more than a notification that they are dead.joerobert_pete06 said:aTmAg said:
Now that they explained the source of the 80s music, is there any other big unexplained things left?
Good point, something other than the fact that they were committing suicide?
Yes, exactly. The '80s message was playing over the radio in the first episode so Joel and Ellie both knew something had gone down already.
IIRC, they never heard the 80's music. Ellie lied and told Joel she had heard it, just to see if it was a good thing or a bad thing. After they had already left their hideout in the EP 1, the camera goes back to the radio in the hideout to show that 80's music had started playing right after they left.
Yes, but it started playing after they left the QZ. They didn't know anything was wrong because of that.fav13andac1)c said:aTmAg said:I think the show made it clear that it started playing 80s music because the computer timed out and nobody was there to reset the playlist (or something like that). So I think it's nothing more than a notification that they are dead.joerobert_pete06 said:aTmAg said:
Now that they explained the source of the 80s music, is there any other big unexplained things left?
Good point, something other than the fact that they were committing suicide?
Yes, exactly. The '80s message was playing over the radio in the first episode so Joel and Ellie both knew something had gone down already.
Great episode. A major conflict in an apocalyptic setting is not to lose your humanity. An episode like this gives a ton of depth to the show. It's hard to pull off and many other shows won't even try. The fact that they could craft a 1-hour television episode featuring two unknown characters and then throw emotional haymakers at you by the end is high-level storytelling.
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^That. The difference between just surviving and actually living.
Never would have thought Nick Offerman would fulfill this type of role. No emoji used due to spurring 3 more pages of blah blah blah.
Lol. It's been 3 episodes and yet so many people can't get their facts straight.
The Depeche Mode song started playing after they had already left Boston. We saw it in a clip where the camera is back in Joel's house and the radio turns on and starts playing. Ellie lied about hearing 80's music earlier in the episode.
Also, I don't know why some people have such a problem with other people who don't want to watch gay sex on screen. Call it "clutching pearls" or whatever you want. Some of us just don't like watching gay sex. If you enjoy that sort of thing, then good on you.
Like I said in my original post, I skipped through those scenes because seeing two bearded dudes kiss and and be intimate in bed gives me the creeps. Do I have a problem with them both being gay and the show portraying a 16 year relationship? Not at all. I really liked the episode.
The Depeche Mode song started playing after they had already left Boston. We saw it in a clip where the camera is back in Joel's house and the radio turns on and starts playing. Ellie lied about hearing 80's music earlier in the episode.
Also, I don't know why some people have such a problem with other people who don't want to watch gay sex on screen. Call it "clutching pearls" or whatever you want. Some of us just don't like watching gay sex. If you enjoy that sort of thing, then good on you.
Like I said in my original post, I skipped through those scenes because seeing two bearded dudes kiss and and be intimate in bed gives me the creeps. Do I have a problem with them both being gay and the show portraying a 16 year relationship? Not at all. I really liked the episode.
Looks like every week will have a new debate in this thread. Good God.
Loved how they used Max Richter as they went through Franks's last day. Ever since watching Arrival, that song wrecks me.
Yep. Hollywood can't make anything anymore without a gay or interracial couple.AustinAg2K said:Wait, Bill is gay?!?! Thanks for the spoiler alert!barbacoa taco said:
Also did anyone else feel like Bill was really just a gay, post-apocalyptic version of Ron Swanson?
Hollywood didnt make Bill. Naughty Dog is based in Santa Monica. That's 13 miles away.docb said:Yep. Hollywood can't make anything anymore without a gay or interracial couple.AustinAg2K said:Wait, Bill is gay?!?! Thanks for the spoiler alert!barbacoa taco said:
Also did anyone else feel like Bill was really just a gay, post-apocalyptic version of Ron Swanson?
Then do what my parents did when any sex scene came on the screen when I was little and have someone cover your eyes. its not like you saw any ass or shaft anyways. They was just smoochin naked.DallasTeleAg said:
Lol. It's been 3 episodes and yet so many people can't get their facts straight.
The Depeche Mode song started playing after they had already left Boston. We saw it in a clip where the camera is back in Joel's house and the radio turns on and starts playing. Ellie lied about hearing 80's music earlier in the episode.
Also, I don't know why some people have such a problem with other people who don't want to watch gay sex on screen. Call it "clutching pearls" or whatever you want. Some of us just don't like watching gay sex. If you enjoy that sort of thing, then good on you.
Like I said in my original post, I skipped through those scenes because seeing two bearded dudes kiss and and be intimate in bed gives me the creeps. Do I have a problem with them both being gay and the show portraying a 16 year relationship? Not at all. I really liked the episode.
It could have been well done, and almost was. Why every show has to go all out to push homosexuality when it represents, what, 2% - 5% of the population cannot help but detract from entertainment - entertainment being the supposed purpose of this show, not indoctrination.TCTTS said:
I don't see you in any other threads questioning why *heterosexual* relationships are depicted in other shows/movies, as a means to establish bonds between those characters? So why does it matter here, in this instance, just because it's two men? Who cares? Regardless of gender, it was emotional, powerful, and thematically resonant in a way that helped to further seal the bond between Joel and Ellie, as well as our attachment to them. I explained why it all moved me so much in an earlier post, and I just can't imagine giving two sh*ts whether it was a heterosexual or homosexual relationship that got me there.
Also… it's HBO. I don't know who, exactly, you think their target audience is. Depiction of this sort is par for the course.
Hey hollywood-we dont care what you like to ****.
Ok, so the audience ignores that, and just buys in that when 99% of people are dead, two of the 2%'rs find each other.
Fine.
At this point that plot line was just a moment of detraction from the story…
'ffs, more gay agenda bull**** being forced on us…everywhere, all the time…eye roll…turn it off? No, its a cool show…ok, so now back to the episode and enjoy it.'
Whether they are gay or not has nothing to do with the emotional purpose of the episode.
It could still have been a very powerful and enjoyable emotional story…but no, they have to push their bull**** even further, filming these guys all over each other.
That ranges from offensive, to unpleasant, to irrelevant to more than 95% of the audience. It doesnt do anything but push the agenda/ego of whoever wrote this episode at the expense of a good story.
I still liked the episode, overall, but dont defend this political bull***** Its indefensible and you cant expect rational, free thinking people to just take constant political indoctrination without comment.
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LMAO. Maaan, GTFOH. Nobody reading all of that.
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^That. The difference between just surviving and actually living.
"By God Woodrow, it ain't dying I'm talking 'bout, it's livin'!"
Your reading comprehension is bad.
Regardless of them being gay and how great the episode was, watching Ron Swanson making out with a homeless person was not how I was expecting to spend my Sunday evening.
Before it started, I had no idea if I was picking up romantic, murderous, or zombie vibes from the guy, but I knew something big was about to go down.
Before it started, I had no idea if I was picking up romantic, murderous, or zombie vibes from the guy, but I knew something big was about to go down.
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