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TCTTS said:

Great, incredibly tense episode, but for whatever reason I thought their destination was a lot farther away, both geographically and episodically. So I was confused for a second when Tess got all pissed there toward the end. I didn't realize they were already there.


They said the state house in the previous episode and Boston is the state capital. Joel and Tess wouldn't have agreed to taking Ellie initially without a ride unless it was a short distance. Too much risk, as we saw.
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I must have missed that, but yeah, what you're saying makes total sense.
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jeffk said:

Have any of you read The Girl with All the Gifts? Novel with a really similar apocalyptic premise as TLOS - fungi, spores, young girl protagonist, etc. Both came out right around the same time too - 2013.


Book and the flick.
I enjoyed them both, and was amused Glenn Close starred in a zombie movie.

There's a prequel to the book called The Boy on the Bridge.
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Pretty good episode. Enough to keep me watching. So what does it take to kill these things? Seemed like a bunch of bullets all over (not necessarily just a bullet to the brain) and fire so far.
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PascalsWager said:

The people (fans of the game) I've talked to about this and the way its marketed feels like yet another post apocalyptic zombie show.

I tried the Walking Dead and lasted two seasons. If the point of a show like this is show how people go about working towards a "cure" or fix of any kind, I can get behind that (even if its never reached). If the point is to show that living in this world would be difficult and that people would be cruel and violent; that seems tedious me.
I disagree with all these shows insistence that everybody would be cruel and violent. I think people would come together and cooperate. Would some people be a-holes? Yes. But not 90% like these shows always imply. What do I base this opinion on? The real life Lord of the Flies incident that happened decades ago. Several boys got marooned on an island for like 8 months or so, and did they bully/kill each other? No they worked together, assigned each other responsibilities, and took care of each other. They even built a gym out of logs and stuff and gained weight by the time they were found. One boy broke his leg, and the others took such good care of him, that the doctors later couldn't tell that anything had happened to his leg at all. To those who think that would be boring, just watch the Walking Dead for a few seasons to realize how boring that can get.
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aTmAg said:

PascalsWager said:

The people (fans of the game) I've talked to about this and the way its marketed feels like yet another post apocalyptic zombie show.

I tried the Walking Dead and lasted two seasons. If the point of a show like this is show how people go about working towards a "cure" or fix of any kind, I can get behind that (even if its never reached). If the point is to show that living in this world would be difficult and that people would be cruel and violent; that seems tedious me.
I disagree with all these shows insistence that everybody would be cruel and violent. I think people would come together and cooperate. Would some people be a-holes? Yes. But not 90% like these shows always imply. What do I base this opinion on? The real life Lord of the Flies incident that happened decades ago. Several boys got marooned on an island for like 8 months or so, and did they bully/kill each other? No they worked together, assigned each other responsibilities, and took care of each other. They even built a gym out of logs and stuff and gained weight by the time they were found. One boy broke his leg, and the others took such good care of him, that the doctors later couldn't tell that anything had happened to his leg at all. To those who think that would be boring, just watch the Walking Dead for a few seasons to realize how boring that can get.


Unfortunately I disagree. People may be kind for a bit but if **** truly hit the fan, I think we'd see a complete breakdown of social order quickly. People need to eat and protect their own family. We have a lot of criminals now when life is pretty good and food is readily available. You'd have pockets of people helping each other and large swaths of people ripping each other apart.
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The constant threat of violent death or infection would eliminate the cooperative spirit (sans force) pretty dang fast IMHO.
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BoydCrowder13 said:

aTmAg said:

PascalsWager said:

The people (fans of the game) I've talked to about this and the way its marketed feels like yet another post apocalyptic zombie show.

I tried the Walking Dead and lasted two seasons. If the point of a show like this is show how people go about working towards a "cure" or fix of any kind, I can get behind that (even if its never reached). If the point is to show that living in this world would be difficult and that people would be cruel and violent; that seems tedious me.
I disagree with all these shows insistence that everybody would be cruel and violent. I think people would come together and cooperate. Would some people be a-holes? Yes. But not 90% like these shows always imply. What do I base this opinion on? The real life Lord of the Flies incident that happened decades ago. Several boys got marooned on an island for like 8 months or so, and did they bully/kill each other? No they worked together, assigned each other responsibilities, and took care of each other. They even built a gym out of logs and stuff and gained weight by the time they were found. One boy broke his leg, and the others took such good care of him, that the doctors later couldn't tell that anything had happened to his leg at all. To those who think that would be boring, just watch the Walking Dead for a few seasons to realize how boring that can get.


Unfortunately I disagree. People may be kind for a bit but if **** truly hit the fan, I think we'd see a complete breakdown of social order quickly. People need to eat and protect their own family. We have a lot of criminals now when life is pretty good and food is readily available. You'd have pockets of people helping each other and large swaths of people ripping each other apart.
I think you would have good people band together to protect themselves from those criminals. Another example is how prisoners treated each other in the Nazi/Japanese death camps. Life does not get much more desperate than that. Yet overall, they took care of each other. Sure you had a few jackasses who would steal bread or take somebody's cap (which was a death sentence), but for the most part they self-policed that as the good people far out numbered the evil ones. For example, American POWs, who were treated better than their Russian counterparts, risked their lives to conserve bread and throw it over the fence to the Russians.



Edit: I'm not looking to derail this thread with an argument. So I'm going to stop this discussion here.
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I think people would do messed up things to survive, but no I don't think there would be roaming groups of cannibals and such.

There will always be instances of the strong taking advantage of the weak.
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Yeah, Close was such an out of nowhere casting. I didn't know about the other book, but now I'll be picking it up, thanks!
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After The Walking Dead I hope isn't just another contemporary manifestation of the "Lord of the Flies" narrative about whether humans would turn on each other without society.
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Haven't watched this yet. Is this show something more than another bleak, depressing, end of the world, zombie show?

I'm not sure I need another one of those in my life.
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Quad Dog said:

Haven't watched this yet. Is this show something more than another bleak, depressing, end of the world, zombie show?

I'm not sure I need another one of those in my life.
I can't say for sure, but I think it's in the vibe of The Road.
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Quad Dog said:

Haven't watched this yet. Is this show something more than another bleak, depressing, end of the world, zombie show?

I'm not sure I need another one of those in my life.
So far (only 2 episodes in) there is more plot than that. There is a higher purpose mission they are trying to accomplish in said world.
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Madmarttigan said:

Two great opening scenes so far.

So creepy when she basically tells them to nuke the whole city after learning so few already have it.

I figured Tess had to die at some point since every HBO preview and game cover is just Joel/Ellie. Actually figured it would just be those two from the start.
Came here to post this. So awesome.
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If the beginning of each episode continues to show a glimpse of life during the start of the outbreak, then that would totally fix the complaint I had in the other thread about zombie movies in general. That I wish they didn't always just gloss over that and say "X year later..."

That would be pretty great.
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BoydCrowder13 said:

aTmAg said:

PascalsWager said:

The people (fans of the game) I've talked to about this and the way its marketed feels like yet another post apocalyptic zombie show.

I tried the Walking Dead and lasted two seasons. If the point of a show like this is show how people go about working towards a "cure" or fix of any kind, I can get behind that (even if its never reached). If the point is to show that living in this world would be difficult and that people would be cruel and violent; that seems tedious me.
I disagree with all these shows insistence that everybody would be cruel and violent. I think people would come together and cooperate. Would some people be a-holes? Yes. But not 90% like these shows always imply. What do I base this opinion on? The real life Lord of the Flies incident that happened decades ago. Several boys got marooned on an island for like 8 months or so, and did they bully/kill each other? No they worked together, assigned each other responsibilities, and took care of each other. They even built a gym out of logs and stuff and gained weight by the time they were found. One boy broke his leg, and the others took such good care of him, that the doctors later couldn't tell that anything had happened to his leg at all. To those who think that would be boring, just watch the Walking Dead for a few seasons to realize how boring that can get.


Unfortunately I disagree. People may be kind for a bit but if **** truly hit the fan, I think we'd see a complete breakdown of social order quickly. People need to eat and protect their own family. We have a lot of criminals now when life is pretty good and food is readily available. You'd have pockets of people helping each other and large swaths of people ripping each other apart.


We know who to stay away from in a post-apocalyptic environment.
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I'm in the camp of if things got real sideways, humanity is getting darker overall. Stanford prison experiment shows that even ppl who would be on the "good" side of the wall may not have the best intentions
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johncAG said:

I'm in the camp of if things got real sideways, humanity is getting darker overall. Stanford prison experiment shows that even ppl who would be on the "good" side of the wall may not have the best intentions
The Stanford prison experiment was exposed as a fraud.
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johncAG said:

I'm in the camp of if things got real sideways, humanity is getting darker overall. Stanford prison experiment shows that even ppl who would be on the "good" side of the wall may not have the best intentions
100% agreed. All you have to do is go to H-E-B the days before a hurricane is scheduled to hit to know how a hypothetical worst case scenario would play out.
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Yep. One of the bad things about living in a big city, you're SOL mostly if a disaster like this happens.

I'd run to the country at the first sign of trouble. Those of you with ranches are doing it right
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TCTTS said:

Great, incredibly tense episode, but for whatever reason I thought their destination was a lot farther away, both geographically and episodically. So I was confused for a second when Tess got all pissed there toward the end. I didn't realize they were already there.


Exact same for me.
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aTmAg said:

If the beginning of each episode continues to show a glimpse of life during the start of the outbreak, then that would totally fix the complaint I had in the other thread about zombie movies in general. That I wish they didn't always just gloss over that and say "X year later..."

That would be pretty great.


Agreed. It would be great to have a before times or early days scene at the beginning of each episode.
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I think the natural state of man is that of seeking order and social structure, but also that of authoritarianism. I think the view of Boston is exactly what we would get in this situation. Western society and democracy are just a small snippet of the entirety of human existence. There are always those who "know" they are better than others and should be in charge. The greater their confidence they know better, the greater lengths they will go to keep others under their thumb.

I agree with the Joker. People are only as good as the world allows them to be. In the breakdown of society, the only thing keeping anyone in order is fear that others will hurt them.
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I"m not sure I've ever watched a TV show based on a video game.

I have never played a game like this either.

But I can see how each room is a level. Pretty interesting actually.

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Chuck Cunningham said:

BoydCrowder13 said:

aTmAg said:

PascalsWager said:

The people (fans of the game) I've talked to about this and the way its marketed feels like yet another post apocalyptic zombie show.

I tried the Walking Dead and lasted two seasons. If the point of a show like this is show how people go about working towards a "cure" or fix of any kind, I can get behind that (even if its never reached). If the point is to show that living in this world would be difficult and that people would be cruel and violent; that seems tedious me.
I disagree with all these shows insistence that everybody would be cruel and violent. I think people would come together and cooperate. Would some people be a-holes? Yes. But not 90% like these shows always imply. What do I base this opinion on? The real life Lord of the Flies incident that happened decades ago. Several boys got marooned on an island for like 8 months or so, and did they bully/kill each other? No they worked together, assigned each other responsibilities, and took care of each other. They even built a gym out of logs and stuff and gained weight by the time they were found. One boy broke his leg, and the others took such good care of him, that the doctors later couldn't tell that anything had happened to his leg at all. To those who think that would be boring, just watch the Walking Dead for a few seasons to realize how boring that can get.


Unfortunately I disagree. People may be kind for a bit but if **** truly hit the fan, I think we'd see a complete breakdown of social order quickly. People need to eat and protect their own family. We have a lot of criminals now when life is pretty good and food is readily available. You'd have pockets of people helping each other and large swaths of people ripping each other apart.


We know who to stay away from in a post-apocalyptic environment.


As bleak as it is to say, doubt I'd still be around in a fast zombie scenario. I've got 3 young kids. I don't think there is a likelihood of survival unless you are a single man in your 20s-40s. You'd need to be able to move and fast and have the ability to defend yourself.
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Chuck Cunningham said:

I"m not sure I've ever watched a TV show based on a video game.

I have never played a game like this either.

But I can see how each room is a level. Pretty interesting actually.


I know this is the non-gamer thread, but that was the question in the back of my mind for the first two episodes. Does/will anyone who hasn't played the game view this show through a "level" structure at all and, more so, do certain scenes or episodes feel like they're drawing those invisible lines for you or not.
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Anyways, I'ma bounce after this page but will continue to read. Always fun to see everyone's reactions to a thing where there is source material involved.
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Well the good news is that most post-apaloypitic scenarios outside of TV/movies, there aren't zombies.
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Head Ninja In Charge said:

Chuck Cunningham said:

I"m not sure I've ever watched a TV show based on a video game.

I have never played a game like this either.

But I can see how each room is a level. Pretty interesting actually.


I know this is the non-gamer thread, but that was the question in the back of my mind for the first two episodes. Does/will anyone who hasn't played the game view this show through a "level" structure at all and, more so, do certain scenes or episodes feel like they're drawing those invisible lines for you or not.
It seems very level-ish to me. I am not bothered by it, it just seems interesting. We'll see how it goes but i'm still planning on watching ep 3.

And full disclosure, the last time I played video games beyond silly ones on my phone were Tiger Woods 2003 and Madden 2003. So, I have like a gap of 20 years in non gaming.
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Again, I've only played about 2 hours of this game way back when, so we are past where I was in the game.

From what I remember, it's more of a narrative type game, so I'm assuming we're going to see all the same places in the game, but not as much in between places just sneaking past zombies or killing zombies, because that would get fairly repetitive and boring to watch.

The Last of Us is always touted as a story-driven game with A LOT of cut scenes. We will probably get those same cut scenes, though maybe slightly altered, and more world building and character back story through the medium of TV.
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Head Ninja In Charge said:

Chuck Cunningham said:

I"m not sure I've ever watched a TV show based on a video game.

I have never played a game like this either.

But I can see how each room is a level. Pretty interesting actually.


I know this is the non-gamer thread, but that was the question in the back of my mind for the first two episodes. Does/will anyone who hasn't played the game view this show through a "level" structure at all and, more so, do certain scenes or episodes feel like they're drawing those invisible lines for you or not.
Yes, so far it very much feels like different level set pieces. It even has that post-level epilogue scene where you see a cutscene of the characters moving on to the next level, or walking through a corridor, or something like that.
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I do think this episode felt very video game like with the roadblocks and having to go around another way and then the rubble trapping them in the room in the museum.
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Head Ninja In Charge said:

Chuck Cunningham said:

I"m not sure I've ever watched a TV show based on a video game.

I have never played a game like this either.

But I can see how each room is a level. Pretty interesting actually.


I know this is the non-gamer thread, but that was the question in the back of my mind for the first two episodes. Does/will anyone who hasn't played the game view this show through a "level" structure at all and, more so, do certain scenes or episodes feel like they're drawing those invisible lines for you or not.
possibly…..maybe…..I don't know…..could be……vague answers #5

But the game is structured like any good strong narrative story would be….so honestly if you went in to this show not even knowing it was based on a game, I don't think it would feel "levelish" to you…but with knowing that I can see why someone would get that vibe…..

Let's put it this way…..there won't be a single "filler episode" in this entire show I can guarantee that….

K thx bai
 
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