It doesn't have to be deep, that wasn't my point. My point was I cared about things and people and in Succession I don't give an F about any of them or what happens to them.

I agree to a point in that it is a cast of unlikable characters -- but at the same time it's not necessarily the same kind of "drama" as those other shows. Breaking Bad, Sopranos, etc... You weren't waiting to see what hijinx the characters get into next. In Succession you very much are.

And I brought up Sopranos simply because I think people wax nostalgic about a show that really doesn't belong in the same category as Breaking Bad, The Wire and Mad Men. Outside of Paulie and maybe Bobby I didn't feel some kind of deep connection with any of the Sopranos characters like I did with a Walt, Jessie or hell even a a Bubbs.

There's been so much to digest in the last couple of episodes, am I correct in remembering that Kendall has been informed that his "damning evidence" doesn't have all that much meat to it?

Also, how terrific is Justin Kirk? Have loved him since his run on Weeds, and I hope he stays in the picture a while on Succession

Tobias Funke said:

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There's been so much to digest in the last couple of episodes, am I correct in remembering that Kendall has been informed that his "damning evidence" doesn't have all that much meat to it?

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Yeah, the lawyer informed Kendall that the papers weren't nearly as damning as they had hoped. Remember, Greg was only able to grab a quick handful of his original stash, and stuff it down his pants, as he and Tom were lighting the rest of the evidence on fire on Greg's balcony, when Tom went to get another match or lighter fluid or whatever. So it was only a small, random fraction of what Greg initially took.

And that's why Kendall was then trying so hard to recruit Tom. He was pivoting away from the papers to try and sway Tom to testify that Logan had knowledge of all the wrongdoing and payoffs.

How do y'all think the rest of the season goes? It seems like two of the biggest storylines to start the season are dead (Sandy/Stewie), or on life support (Kendall). It seems like they're paving the way for a Shiv or Tom turn, but it also seems like Logan is rolling right now.

I think the DOJ storyline is going to become the lead focus with maybe the family in-fighting still playing out in the background a bit.

But how does the season end, and what's the cliffhanger for next year? My WAG is that Logan dies at the end of this season. Seems like they've been foreshadowing this a bit with the heat stroke and UTI.

Marcia is going to be a factor in some form or fashion

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How do y'all think the rest of the season goes? It seems like two of the biggest storylines to start the season are dead (Sandy/Stewie), or on life support (Kendall). It seems like they're paving the way for a Shiv or Tom turn, but it also seems like Logan is rolling right now.

I think the DOJ storyline is going to become the lead focus with maybe the family in-fighting still playing out in the background a bit.

But how does the season end, and what's the cliffhanger for next year? My WAG is that Logan dies at the end of this season. Seems like they've been foreshadowing this a bit with the heat stroke and UTI.

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I don't think Sandy/Stewie are dead yet. You don't hire an actress like Hope Davis and only use her in a handful of mostly inconsequential scenes. Especially in the way they gave her and Shiv board seats in the deal and hinted at something more to come there. If I had to guess, I think S/S/S all come back into play somehow when the heat really turns up in the DOJ investigation.

Overall, what I love is that every kid/relative on Logan's side still has reason to turn on him. They're milking it for all it's worth, in such great fashion, to the point where I'm thinking that's the plot line that the finale hinges on. Tom of course has every reason to turn for obvious reasons. With the Mankin endorsement, Shiv is now on the verge as well. Connor just got passed over President. And if Logan throws Gerri under the bus, even Roman likely goes to Kendall's side. So I wonder if that's the cliffhanger - one if not all of them finally turn in the finale, setting up the "official" battle for next season, and this season is more about getting the teams/pieces in place?

And maybe Tom actually does go to jail? If only because I really, really, really want to see him in jail in season four, not for any moral reasons, but strictly for comedic reasons. That said, it feels like maybe the gods might just "reward" Tom for resisting Kendall's temptation? In a single episode, Tom not only agreed to let Greg's crimes hang on him, but he seemingly resisted the temptation of the snake in garden. So, thematically speaking, maybe those were the first couple of steps toward his "soul" earning some kind of salvation? Or, this being Succession, the exact opposite could happen. I have no idea.

As for Logan, I don't think he dies until the show is done. He's too big of a figure/central character to kill off, to the point where, without him, it'll feel like those sh*tty last few seasons of The Office without Michael Scott. IMO, I think Logan is here to stay until the penultimate episode of the series (and I doubt the show goes any longer than five seasons).

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Marcia is going to be a factor in some form or fashion

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Yeah, I think Logan is f/cking his new assistant or whoever that is, Marcia finds out, and whatever she does to him in return is the final twist of the knife after most if not all of his kids turn on him. He's riding too high right now. He's the king of the world, picking the new President in the most cocksure manner possible, thinks he's beat Kendall/is immune to the "climate," etc, but I think he's in for a rude awakening by season's end. I'm betting Kendall's birthday episode this week is rock bottom, but then he rallies in the bottom of the ninth (and final episode of the season) to finally take Logan down.

could we get a "prison tom" variant like "prison mike" from the office?

i think we could see shiv be the one that convinces tom to cooperate with kendall. shiv has been dealt losses all season and logan is getting seemingly closer and closer to roman. we know she's a spoiled brat who doesn't like losing, so if tom tells her about his meeting with kendall in the diner, does shiv see the stars aligning?

with tom's and kendall's testimony, that might be enough to lay the blame on logan. plus greg could testify about what the papers said before he burned them. shiv probably thinks she can align with hope davis' character to take control that way.

i just think the way they've positioned the "two sides" in all the promotional material, there's no way everybody is staying team logan, right?

When Tom goes to prison and carves a knife out of a toothbrush for protection, what will he call it?

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When Tom goes to prison and carves a knife out of a toothbrush for protection, what will he call it?

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Thinking about Tom in an orange jumpsuit talking to Greg through a window makes me laugh

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When Tom goes to prison and carves a knife out of a toothbrush for protection, what will he call it?

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Lol

I like your thoughts, but can they really go into season 4 with yet another "will Logan lose the company?" cliffhanger? If so, surely they'd have to resolve it in the 4th season? There's only so much of Logan winning that can happen before it starts to get stale.

That said, I think they've done a really good job of making those wins feel genuine. The S/S takeover was a real threat, and they did a good job selling it as a razor's edge decision where the new blood wasn't willing to risk the billions on a vote. Although, that episode with Adrien Brody was great, but it seems like it's a bit of a throw a way when S/S settled?

Tonight’s SUCCESSION is a doozy.

— Sean Fennessey (@SeanFennessey) November 28, 2021

Drugs are bad

Damn, what a depressing episode.

Also, imagine contemplating turning down $2B.

I was confused on Tom's sudden mood swing until the drugs were mentioned.

That makes two of us.

Really seeming like Shiv is ready to turn, but Tom has no reason to like Kendall right now.

Yeah, take the $2B and go build your own empire (or more likely flame out). I think the girlfriend is about to ditch him and really send him into a spiral. Also agree that Roman's growing confidence is about to bite him.