quote:Him offering to sacrifice his cush job and quit practicing law just so she isn't punished would seem to indicate otherwise.
She seems to be more into him than him her.
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I see Mike and Saul's storylines colliding fairly soon, with both guys "breaking bad" simultaneously.
quote:quote:Both characters broke a long long time ago. They may get into more serious **** as time goes on, but there is no question that both Mike and Saul/Jimmy are very bad people at today's point in the show.
I see Mike and Saul's storylines colliding fairly soon, with both guys "breaking bad" simultaneously.
Mike just turned down a lot of money and got the crap beaten out of himself to avoid killing a bad person. Saul did something unethical by running around his boss but in all likelihood made his case take a big step forward. Both of these guys have a long way to go to fit my definition of "very bad".
quote:I think "very bad" is a bit much.quote:
but there is no question that both Mike and Saul/Jimmy are very bad people at today's point in the show.
quote:I think it's more complex than that.quote:Him offering to sacrifice his cush job and quit practicing law just so she isn't punished would seem to indicate otherwise.
She seems to be more into him than him her.
quote:And what makes you think that? It was pretty clear in the latest episode that Mike doesn't want to continue killing people. And Jimmy is still justifying what he's doing as "the ends justify the means".
Yes they will do many more bad things and many worse things in the future, but that doesn't change the fact that both are felons who do not repent or have remorse for their actions. Just because today they have moral quandaries about going further doesn't mean they are anywhere near good or upstanding people today.
You're making fairly big (and incorrect) assumptions here.
quote:quote:I think it's more complex than that.quote:Him offering to sacrifice his cush job and quit practicing law just so she isn't punished would seem to indicate otherwise.
She seems to be more into him than him her.
I agree. I mean this is Vince we're talking about here. He applied for Mensa and they told him "we're not worthy."
Vince totally knows the end game here, and it's way deeper and more complex than any of us, and even he, can truly see right now. He's just peeling back the layers so expertly that us minions have no chance of truly understanding the foundation into the psychological aspect of the Jimmy and Kim relationship.
This, along with the incredible, unbelievable, astonishingly epic writing of the DIL-Mike saga, just goes to show that Vince & co are the greatest things ever to come to entertainment.
It's all very relative. What felonious activity has Jimmy done that really hurt anyone? Other than d-bag investment guy's AmEx account.
And you continue to make incorrect assumptions.
Nowhere in my post did I say that.
To be clear, based on what we've seen on the show, you believe Mike has absolutely no remorse for the killing he's done in the past?
Nowhere in my post did I say that.
To be clear, based on what we've seen on the show, you believe Mike has absolutely no remorse for the killing he's done in the past?
quote:quote:And what makes you think that?
Yes they will do many more bad things and many worse things in the future, but that doesn't change the fact that both are felons who do not repent or have remorse for their actions. Just because today they have moral quandaries about going further doesn't mean they are anywhere near good or upstanding people today.
Umm...How about what we know these characters do in BB?
That's what makes this show so great. We know the end. We know where these characters end up, but we're being taken on this awesome ride of how they get there.
It's very different and interesting watching a show when we know what the outcome is.
Bro. I'm not questioning where the characters are going. I was referring to the second part of that sentence.
spilner was one of those guys during season 4 and 5 of brba still arguing that all of walts actions were justifiable despite gilligan repeatedly showing how just about all of walts actions were a result of his own ego.
It perplexes me how some folks with such black and white concepts for good and evil can enjoy a pair of shows this complex with antiheroes that aren't absolute anything.
There are varying degrees of evil and in the breaking bad universe: Shady felonies that may justify the means and revenge murders that haunt you...bad. Purposely poisoning an innocent child to win a drug war...very bad.
There are varying degrees of evil and in the breaking bad universe: Shady felonies that may justify the means and revenge murders that haunt you...bad. Purposely poisoning an innocent child to win a drug war...very bad.
How is that at all related to this conversation?
If people think Mike is already a murderer without remorse, you need to rewatch the last episode.
If people think Mike is already a murderer without remorse, you need to rewatch the last episode.
That's what's so great about this show. Nothing in this universe is black and white.
Walt was never a "good" person after the pilot of BB, just like Jimmy and Mike are not good people now. But to say Mike shows no remorse for his actions just doesn't make sense to me. Not yet, at least.
Both he and Jimmy have a long way to go before they are as bad as they were in BB.
Walt was never a "good" person after the pilot of BB, just like Jimmy and Mike are not good people now. But to say Mike shows no remorse for his actions just doesn't make sense to me. Not yet, at least.
Both he and Jimmy have a long way to go before they are as bad as they were in BB.
quote:Well now you're contradicting yourself.
He might have some remorse for the killings and tried to avoid another murder
quote:Again, never said he wasn't. But he has a ways to go to reach the level of "bad" we know he will eventually reach.
but that doesn't make him redeeming or not a very bad person.
Man, we really do find new arguments to have on here every week, huh? I'm just glad we're off the Mike/DIL/newspaper discussion.
quote:I don't think Mike has any problem killing people. He explained it if you were listening. He took the harder route, because he thought it would trace back to who killed him when the Cartel's came looking for Tuco's killer.quote:
It was pretty clear in the latest episode that Mike doesn't want to continue killing people.
The plan as it unfolded was the right move to avoid unknown and known consequences.
quote:Agreed.
I think this shows how great the show is.
Bravo Vince, you magnificent *******. This is the best written show on TV right now.
Sorry if this has been discussed, but didn't Mike tell Walt at some point in BB that he wouldn't kill again? Is that related to his guilt about killing those dirty cops? I can't remember if he's killed anybody since. Him going out of his way to hatch a plot to get rid of Tuco without killing him reminded me of that.
We all struggle with the gray areas of ethics and morality. Mike had his reasons for killing and not killing. IMO, those don't make him "very bad".
I find myself a little impatient with Jimmy's current story line. I feel like I know he's going to screw stuff up with Davis and Main...so I'm starting to not care about watching his long drawn-out fall from grace.
Either he needs to be very successful where he is (and the story line continue down that path for a while), or the fall needs to go ahead and happen. This in between 'will he' or 'wont he'...seems a bit superfluous, since we all know where he ends up.
At this point, I'm just hoping to see Chuck have a fall from grace first...after making some shady decisions and becoming what he despises most.
I'm loving the Mike story line.
Either he needs to be very successful where he is (and the story line continue down that path for a while), or the fall needs to go ahead and happen. This in between 'will he' or 'wont he'...seems a bit superfluous, since we all know where he ends up.
At this point, I'm just hoping to see Chuck have a fall from grace first...after making some shady decisions and becoming what he despises most.
I'm loving the Mike story line.
Is it just me or are they struggling with making Tuco look young. He's getting up there in age, so they're having to cake the make up on pretty thick.
I realize it's a petty nit pick.....but this show is going to be a challenge to "keep" these guys young enough to fill the spots.
I realize it's a petty nit pick.....but this show is going to be a challenge to "keep" these guys young enough to fill the spots.
Mike is the only thing making this show interesting right now.
I'm sick and tired of the whole Chuck element. It's boring and drawn out.
They need to move along with Jimmy and get passed him butting heads with Chuck
I'm sick and tired of the whole Chuck element. It's boring and drawn out.
They need to move along with Jimmy and get passed him butting heads with Chuck
quote:I agree with this.
I'm sick and tired of the whole Chuck element. It's boring and drawn out.
They need to move along with Jimmy and get passed him butting heads with Chuck
Watching Jimmy get him an extra blanket, sit up all night and make tea for Chuck seems out of place at this point.
That was from Jimmy whose swore off Chuck and isnt taking care of him anymore, was in a panic that Chuck was simply in a meeting with him a couple episodes ago, and is now livid that Chuck is taking everything out on Kim.......but then he makes him hot tea?
They need to move past that...
Wow. I love the Chuck element. Last season he went from being a very sympathetic character to the most hated on the show in a matter of 10 mins.
I also love seeing Jimmy doing his thing. We have seen Saul and know what Saul is like. I could do a few more seasons of Jimmy making the transition.
I also love seeing Jimmy doing his thing. We have seen Saul and know what Saul is like. I could do a few more seasons of Jimmy making the transition.
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I could do a few more seasons of Jimmy making the transition.
Oh good God I hope not. This would be miserable.
I enjoy the transition but it's gotten to the point where it's one step forward, two steps back. It just doesn't work with the other story lines like Mike moving along so nicely.
Any more than a couple more episodes of floundering Jimmy and it's going to get pretty stale (sans Mike).
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