So there was only 1 newspaper throw ?
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Last: 9 yr ago by JYDog90
quote:Yes, but only because I forgot what happened every morning when I woke up and had to watch it again.
did it take yall a year to watch memento?
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for the purpose of the show, yes. that is all gilligan shows us. he is very deliberate. do you hear a newspaper hit your two door down neighbor, then neighbor then yours? what about the neighbor on the other side, and then next to that. you are looking for something that is CLEARLY not there. occams razor dude. she is trying to extort him. it is seriously so simple and you are being so ridiculously obtuse. i dont know if i have ever been frustrated on this board, but holy hell man.
If you are frustrated over something this trival, where you have a decent chance of being wrong about, you probably need to re think your whole life.
I guess you are that much sharper than everyone on this thread and know what exactly what is going on as an absolute fact.
Great so I know what exactly happened now. Thanks for telling me what exactly happened on the show and there is no way you could be wrong.
Yup. We all come to this thread to watch the two of you carry on your internet slap-fight. Take it to the PMs, gentlemen.
Nicely lively exchange here, gents. I do have to say that third coast is correct. While I would not say it is an absolute fact, but if the scientific method were deployed it would be a theory. That is a theory in the scientific sense (i.e., as close to fact as it can be without being a law of the natural world).
She didn't hear anything, she was clearly guilting Mike before, and now flat out lied about the gunshots. I too don't see how anyone could think otherwise. I wonder if we will get to see the stucco residue on whatever she used to make the "gunshot" dent.
This is cute
I agree that she is driving him to do jobs he doesn't want to do. Mike is slowly breaking bad
quote:He steps right up to the line and then backs off with Tuco, but much later under Gus, we know he has no issue popping guys.
I agree that she is driving him to do jobs he doesn't want to do. Mike is slowly breaking bad.
Not to get the cat fight started up again, but he sure does ramp up his activity to make bank (cheddar *****ES) for his granddaughter.
One more thing, does everyone else want to punch Chuck in the face as much as I do?
I am not ready to assume the DIL is maliciously extorting Mike for more money. She might just be batshot crazy. Sometimes it is better to let these plot twists work themselves out.
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Great so I know what exactly happened now. Thanks for telling me what exactly happened on the show and there is no way you could be wrong.
D, you are being absolutely ridiculous. Third Coast is right about everything. The fact that you are arguing so hard that Mike and his daughter in law could think paper newspapers were gun shots is crazy. Have you ever heard a newspaper? And even if the DIL is crazy, there is no way in hell Mike would think they were gun shots.
Plus, she said the shots happened at 2 am, and the newspapers wouldn't have been thrown at this time. Plus, she said three consecutive shots. Newspapers aren't thrown fast enough for 3 consecutive shots. The shots would have been one right after another.
I think we can drop this subject now. It's clear the DIL keeps trying to get
More and more out of Mike. But if you want to believe that she thinks she was actually shot at bc of some newspapers, go for it.
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I am not ready to assume the DIL is maliciously extorting Mike for more money. She might just be batshot crazy. Sometimes it is better to let these plot twists work themselves out.
It's not s plot twist. That's why I don't understand everyone over analyzing it. It's just something that happened. And what happened was very clear
Wasn't there an interview from earlier in get thread sure even the guy playing Mike said she was just paranoid?
quote:Yes - but it is possible the actor doesn't know where Gilligan and writers are heading? I am hoping she is just paranoid because the posts by "third coast" are ridiculous.
Wasn't there an interview from earlier in get thread sure even the guy playing Mike said she was just paranoid?
Here is the interview:
Does Mike think Stacey is being honest about being worried about how safe her neighborhood is, hearing gunshots? And if she doesn't have good motivations, is he going to go along with it because of his guilt about his son's death?
I don't think she's trying to play him at all. Not at all. It's a fear. She's gone through a great trauma, and it's affected her, which makes Mike feel not only worse, but makes him feel helpless in many ways.
He tells her earlier in the episode that he's not the worrying kind, but that's not really true is it?
Not at all. Not at all. There's some things he doesn't worry about. But where his daughter-in-law and his granddaughter are concerned, he worries all the time.
Thirdcoasts posts are ridiculous, i feel like I'm in 12 angry men here trying to prove there is doubt in this theory.
Ever stop to think it's both? The newspapers didn't have to be put in but they were. As soon as we hear them as a viewer it is completely intended to make you think for a split second they they were gunshots.
I think the DIL is in fact BSC and scared so she in her mind makes the papers be gunshots. We see it in here face every freaking scene, worried and stressed out to the max. End result, guilt trip Mike into giving them money to relocate.
So yes I think she is using Mike but you can't say she knows there are no gunshots beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Ever stop to think it's both? The newspapers didn't have to be put in but they were. As soon as we hear them as a viewer it is completely intended to make you think for a split second they they were gunshots.
I think the DIL is in fact BSC and scared so she in her mind makes the papers be gunshots. We see it in here face every freaking scene, worried and stressed out to the max. End result, guilt trip Mike into giving them money to relocate.
So yes I think she is using Mike but you can't say she knows there are no gunshots beyond a shadow of a doubt.
quote:Good God, calm down. Clearly half of us interpreted one thing and half another. Doesn't mean the half that doesn't agree with you are ******ed.
NO. she said she heard three. THREE. he knows she is FOS and offered her an out. are you sure you werent dreaming? it happens. He is like ugggghhh fine i dont want to deal with you, you stupid ingrate ***** fine you can move. she doesnt know he was there, which is why he knows she is FOS. jesus christ. go watch the episode again. how the hell did you people make it through any show ever. did it take yall a year to watch memento?
And f'ing Jonathan Banks himself is on the side of "she's just paranoid" but you're acting like people with this view couldn't be more wrong.
is there a thread for discussing the show that third coast doesnt crap all over and let everyone know how stupid they are for not agreeing with him?
thx
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quote:quote:Good God, calm down. Clearly half of us interpreted one thing and half another. Doesn't mean the half that doesn't agree with you are ******ed.
NO. she said she heard three. THREE. he knows she is FOS and offered her an out. are you sure you werent dreaming? it happens. He is like ugggghhh fine i dont want to deal with you, you stupid ingrate ***** fine you can move. she doesnt know he was there, which is why he knows she is FOS. jesus christ. go watch the episode again. how the hell did you people make it through any show ever. did it take yall a year to watch memento?
And f'ing Jonathan Banks himself is on the side of "she's just paranoid" but you're acting like people with this view couldn't be more wrong.
And really it doesn't matter why. All that matters is it is forcing Mike into more dangerous jobs.
And to an earlier point. Yeah I can hear my newspaper guy several houses away and can hear 5-6 papers being thrown. It's enough to rouse me at times even when it's several houses away. Doesn't sound like gunshots but in not paranoid. If I was I might conjure up stupid stuff. She might be exaggerating or paranoid or playing Mike or all of the above.
The only definite thing is that someone letting this get them all worked up is overreacting. If you let a mindless discussion about a trivial thing work you up to the point of name calling and cussing... Well you need a new hobby I think.
In the words of the great Sgt Hulka "Lighten up Francis".
Clearly all the pimento cheese Mike is eating is affecting his judgment of his DIL's sanity. That should end the argument.
Put me in the DIL is paranoid/emotionally scarred camp.
If DIL is trying to exhort Mike and he realizes it but pusses out, that would make him more prone to puss out in future situations and not call people out. We know this is the exact opposite character arc that we know Mike goes thru. In fact, just last night Mike called out Nacho on his poor plan.
Both BB and BCS are about characters breaking bad due to situations beyond their control. Walt due to cancer. Mike due to his DIL
When we meet Mike in BCS, he is a honorably discharged retired cop. He did kill two dirty cops in revenge for killing his son, but he's trying to put that behind him and live quietly in NM. By the time we meet Mike in BB, he has already broken bad and is working as an enforcer for a drug kingpin. He has no issue standing up to Walt and calling him out.
If Mike is willfully being exhorted by his DIL, how does that fit the character arc which we already know will happen?
If DIL is trying to exhort Mike and he realizes it but pusses out, that would make him more prone to puss out in future situations and not call people out. We know this is the exact opposite character arc that we know Mike goes thru. In fact, just last night Mike called out Nacho on his poor plan.
Both BB and BCS are about characters breaking bad due to situations beyond their control. Walt due to cancer. Mike due to his DIL
When we meet Mike in BCS, he is a honorably discharged retired cop. He did kill two dirty cops in revenge for killing his son, but he's trying to put that behind him and live quietly in NM. By the time we meet Mike in BB, he has already broken bad and is working as an enforcer for a drug kingpin. He has no issue standing up to Walt and calling him out.
If Mike is willfully being exhorted by his DIL, how does that fit the character arc which we already know will happen?
Sweet, let's move on.
Only this show can make me hate a character and know he right at the same time. I hate Chuck and for good reason, he has no faith in slippin Jimmy. At the same time he is absolutely right. Jimmy is who he is..... He is always gonna break the rules and screw over, albeit unintentionally, those around him. Re: Kim.
Only this show can make me hate a character and know he right at the same time. I hate Chuck and for good reason, he has no faith in slippin Jimmy. At the same time he is absolutely right. Jimmy is who he is..... He is always gonna break the rules and screw over, albeit unintentionally, those around him. Re: Kim.
quote:I was coming on here to post this exact thing because I heard the same interview. Gilligan said that he doesnt want to tell people what to think, but also that she isn't trying to extort Mike. This is a PTSD situation. She has been through a lot recently and she is not dealing with it well.quote:Yes - but it is possible the actor doesn't know where Gilligan and writers are heading? I am hoping she is just paranoid because the posts by "third coast" are ridiculous.
Wasn't there an interview from earlier in get thread sure even the guy playing Mike said she was just paranoid?
Here is the interview:
Does Mike think Stacey is being honest about being worried about how safe her neighborhood is, hearing gunshots? And if she doesn't have good motivations, is he going to go along with it because of his guilt about his son's death?
I don't think she's trying to play him at all. Not at all. It's a fear. She's gone through a great trauma, and it's affected her, which makes Mike feel not only worse, but makes him feel helpless in many ways.
He tells her earlier in the episode that he's not the worrying kind, but that's not really true is it?
Not at all. Not at all. There's some things he doesn't worry about. But where his daughter-in-law and his granddaughter are concerned, he worries all the time.
People are being so strong with their thoughts when the writer of the show is flat saying you are wrong. But what does he know?
I agree that the DIL is scared and scarred by what she has been through and not intentionally playing Mike, but for the purposes of clarity, those comments come from the actor who plays Mike, not from the author.
quote:I'm not picking out those quotes exactly. I'm referring to quotes from Gilligan that he made on the Better Call Saul podcast.
I agree that the DIL is scared and scarred by what she has been through and not intentionally playing Mike, but for the purposes of clarity, those comments come from the actor who plays Mike, not from the author.
Ah, thank you. I never listen to those things. Sounds like from your paraphrase that Johnathan Banks is right and that Gillian is explicitly saying that the DIL has PTSD and is not doing anything malicious. Thanks for the input.
quote:i think there is a cheers/frasier parallel. many consider cheers to be the best sitcom ever, and most have it top 5.
Hopefully it isn't just me, but I feel like this show has a definite chance to be one of the best of all time. Vince Gilligan is an absolute genius.
It's been a week since I listened to it so this is my best recollection. He basically repeated several times that he doesn't want to tell people what to think when it comes to the show. People can have their opinions. He gives the ending of BB has an example.
When he goes to speaking engagements, people always want to ask about the end of BB and whether Walt dies. He says that he always hesitates answering (because he wants people to have their own interpretations) before finally answering the question and saying "Yes, Walt died."
He did the same thing in this situation. He said people can have their thoughts but his interpretation of the scenes is that she is very damaged due to the loss of her husband and she has some PTSD. She isn't trying to "use" or "take advantage" of Mike.
Those were his thoughts.
My thoughts right now line up with his. But that is not to say that his thinking might not change down the road. The story could evolve to the point where the DIL can be made to be the "bad guy" of sorts. But that doesn't appear to be Gilligan's thinking at this time.
When he goes to speaking engagements, people always want to ask about the end of BB and whether Walt dies. He says that he always hesitates answering (because he wants people to have their own interpretations) before finally answering the question and saying "Yes, Walt died."
He did the same thing in this situation. He said people can have their thoughts but his interpretation of the scenes is that she is very damaged due to the loss of her husband and she has some PTSD. She isn't trying to "use" or "take advantage" of Mike.
Those were his thoughts.
My thoughts right now line up with his. But that is not to say that his thinking might not change down the road. The story could evolve to the point where the DIL can be made to be the "bad guy" of sorts. But that doesn't appear to be Gilligan's thinking at this time.
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