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The Jimmy/Mike talk outside the elevator was funny.

I'd almost forgotten about Tuco and Jimmy's situation. That seemed like a long time ago.

I found it odd that Mike was so crass to Jimmy. You'd think he'd want to be in Jimmy's good graces since his new life might require legal services from time to time.

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yes Mike doesn't want to owe Jimmy any favors...so he wants to pay him. But Jimmy was willing to do it for free. My point was Jimmy I think already sees future business from knowing and helping Mike and being on the good side of him.

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True.

I think Mike and Jimmy are sort of honest criminals.

Jimmy gives back money, has a decent side. Mike takes only what he agrees to, gives money back when job goes south.

Serendipitous they find each other.

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The Jimmy/Mike talk outside the elevator was funny.

I'd almost forgotten about Tuco and Jimmy's situation. That seemed like a long time ago.

I found it odd that Mike was so crass to Jimmy. You'd think he'd want to be in Jimmy's good graces since his new life might require legal services from time to time.

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Jimmy did that for free as he said....no charge.

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He's known he's being scammed for a while. The reason why he helps his DiL is so his granddaughter can have a better life.

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Yes. it's fairly simple.

He still feels the guilt for leading his son down the path that wound up getting him killed and leaving his DIL and granddaughter without a father. Therefore he vowed to do whatever is necessary to provide for them and make sure they have as good of a life as possible. Of course he knows she's pushing him for more and more, but it's the debt he has to pay for the guilt he still has for what happened to his son.

Pretty standard here. Not reinventing the wheel. Just solid writing and acting.

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This is what makes Mike's ending so tragic.

He did all this for his granddaughter and he just disappears from her life. And all the money he tried to earn for her, gone.

It's really sad if you look at it from the totality of his life.

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He's known he's being scammed for a while. The reason why he helps his DiL is so his granddaughter can have a better life.

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Yes. it's fairly simple.

He still feels the guilt for leading his son down the path that wound up getting him killed and leaving his DIL and granddaughter without a father. Therefore he vowed to do whatever is necessary to provide for them and make sure they have as good of a life as possible. Of course he knows she's pushing him for more and more, but it's the debt he has to pay for the guilt he still has for what happened to his son.

Pretty standard here. Not reinventing the wheel. Just solid writing and acting.

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This is what makes Mike's ending so tragic.

He did all this for his granddaughter and he just disappears from her life. And all the money he tried to earn for her, gone.

It's really sad if you look at it from the totality of his life.

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Yes, for a crooked cop murdering drug cartel enforcer he definitely had a sad and tragic ending.

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Why did he become a drug cartel enforcer? His granddaughter. To provide for her. And he failed. And then he just disappeared from her life. No dead. Just gone. Vanished. From the perspective, it certainly is tragic.

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yes Mike doesn't want to owe Jimmy any favors...so he wants to pay him. But Jimmy was willing to do it for free. My point was Jimmy I think already sees future business from knowing and helping Mike and being on the good side of him.

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I think Mike and Jimmy are sort of honest criminals.

Jimmy gives back money, has a decent side. Mike takes only what he agrees to, gives money back when job goes south.

Serendipitous they find each other.

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yeah...AgGrad said something on the previous page about Jimmy not being a saint and people reading too much into things...i didn't reply then but.....


remember....jimmy apparently spent years supporting his brother, who would not leave the house, with ice and food and newspapers and his intolerable faux condition with no electronics, etc.

things are not so black and white.

jimmy is both a wolf and very kind hearted at times. most people are both nice and not nice at different times depending on the circumstances, etc. he has been very nice to Kim of course and really went out of his way for his brother who is nothing but condescending toward him (for a long time anyway, he is not so nice to him now).

jimmy isn't a saint but he also isn't just breaking bad ala walter white (who had the catalyst of imminent death). i think he just realizes he just doesn't fit in really well in that clean cut rules oriented world and he will always be skirting the edges of what is right/wrong. it doesn't help that his brother and other powers that be have decided that he is who he is and thus he is always perceived that way.

but i also don't trust Chucks view or interpretation of things - because he has jimmy pigeon holed, he sees everything he does from that perspective only.

If I was in a corporate or business legal situation I'd rather have Chuck and Hamlin as my legal team. If I was in a jam and had the cops or any criminal element to deal with I'd rather have Jimmy/Saul any day of the week. They both serve their purposes. Thats just the side Jimmy operates better in.

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I agree with your sarcasm, but that is the fascinating thing about works of the imagination: they can make us care about people whom in real life we would not care about at all. It's similar to The Godfather, in which you have the "good" mafia guys and the "bad" mafia guys, or Pulp Fiction, in which Jules the killer is on an arc moving towards redemption and Vincent the killer remains a killer.

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Please tell me how life is like living in your perfectly black and white world.

I'm not saying Jimmy's character is black and white.

What I'm saying, is that he chose to be a wolf. He's not stealing (or practicing shady/colorful law now), because he's ultimately trying to do good. It's just who he is, and if he tries to go the straight and narrow path...he's a 'square peg' like he told Cliff.

Doesnt mean he can't have some redeeming qualities. He certainly does. Those just aren't his motivating factors like Mike (with his granddaughter).

A wolf doesn't think he is doing anything wrong by doing wolfy things... a wolf does exactly what a wolf should do... but from the sheep's perspective... the wolf is bad and evil

heck they have hole cities named after them... ie Wolfe City

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Please tell me how life is like living in your perfectly black and white world.

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Well mainly I don't kill people or con them on a regular basis.

It is absolutely true that sometimes bad people do bad things because of good motivations. That doesn't excuse or justify their felonious behavior. Of all of the people Mike killed how many got to say goodbye to their family before he murdered them?

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well, when we see a show with hours of content on the lives of the people Mike killed, then maybe those commenting on that show will show some sympathy towards them too.

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I appreciate the art of a good story that makes you care about bad people but the continued rationalization by people trying to make this murdering crooked cop and con artists into good people amazes me. Both are felons who make conscious decisions and both pay the price for their actions. That isn't sad or tragic, it is predictable and appropriate.

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Is anyone trying to make them good people?


We all get it. He's a criminal and bad people usually get bad results. But he's also a main focus so he gets hours of screen time and layers and layers of depth peeled back for us to examine and comment on. The guys he kills don't. They're roadkill on the highway. That's a different story that isn't being told, that I'm sure could also have sympathetic views as well.

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People a couple of pages back were arguing that Mike and Jimmy are not bad people at this point in their life. We have people on this page theorizing that jimmy stole from his dad so that he could help him out later when he was in trouble. Some people are trying to do everything they can to find some redeeming qualities in Mike and Jimmy.

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That is because we cannot all be as virtuous as you are. Enjoy heaven all by your lonesome. The rest of us will be having fun in hell.

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That is because we cannot all be as virtuous as you are. Enjoy heaven all by your lonesome. The rest of us will be having fun in hell.

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People a couple of pages back were arguing that Mike and Jimmy are not bad people at this point in their life. We have people on this page theorizing that jimmy stole from his dad so that he could help him out later when he was in trouble. Some people are trying to do everything they can to find some redeeming qualities in Mike and Jimmy.

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No.

A lot of people on here have SEEN redeeming qualities on the show. The characters in question are PRESENTED as both good and bad at times....we aren't trying to find redeeming qualities. If you haven't seen them you are blind.

If you paint them as simply evil and bad, then you are simple minded and very much like Chuck (who doesn't even give his brother credit for the good he has done or for all the help he got from him).

As I said repeatedly I simply don't accept Chucks take on things at face value here - because there is evidence to the contrary. And I don't believe we've been shown the entire story from the creators either. I think it's a lot more complex than that. You want to believe it is black and white though. Fine.

Fine I'll say it...

Can we get back to arguing about the pace of the show? At least that argument wasn't full of any holier than thou BS.

The arguments about the DIL scamming Mike, and about whether these are good men or not, are total ass whips and suck the energy out of the thread.

Lets get back to more pressing arguments... Kim... hot or not...go

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Not really much of an argument...

Where do I start pressing?

So many things to look forward to coming up...
1. Full translation to Saul (big step this week in my book)
2. Fate of Kim
3. Mikes development into a killer! But it's ok, it's for love.
4. Finding out what happened to Hector.
5. Rise of Gus.
6. Aaron Paul appearances?
7. Chucks slow and painful demise.

Many more..

How many more eps this season?

I bet we see a new BB character or two on the next episode.

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Very ****able but not hot.

Have yall heard her talk? Voice deeper than James Earl Jones. Someone needs to do a panty check on that to see if there is a Bobby Dangler down there...

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What? Just judging from this picture you wouldn't say she's hot?

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I'm struggling with this show. It's like I'm expecting more from it but continue to watch. Feel like I'm looking for something grander to happen but it just seems to go on at a lesser intense level relative to breaking bad.

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It's sad you feel that way. The show is taking you on a journey. You may not like every step along the way. It'll have big moments, but you have to get to through the slower things to build to the greater things.

The last 3 episodes are character driven and not plot driven, and yet parts of the character pieces will interplay into ultimately where it goes.

I can see the frustration that people love Saul and want to see Saul. But they're still telling a great story. I wish you could see that and enjoy it for what it is.

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I make a comment and get a string of this defensive dribble. Wasn't slamming the show brah. Just stating how it's occurring for me.

And I feel bad for you. It's a great show and I wish you could enjoy it more.

Got the feeling there is more to Kim's backstory. She seemed kind of shifty in the interview when answering questions about where she was from.

My guess is Kim offed her HS boyfriend, and moved to NM. Starts an office with Jimmy. Gets arrested for when they solve a cold case in Nebraska. Maybe he is at Cinnabon in Omaha waiting for her parole and hiding out from BB fallout.