You're misinterpreting. Without the consent of one party, it is unlawful. The one party being Jimmy.

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yes well....the one consenting party is Chuck. so it is legal.

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Yeah...That's not what it says.

I'll have to agree with the posters that said Chuck won't attempt to use the recording in any official capacity. He'll likely just use it to get Mesa Verde back and possibly drive Kim away from Jimmy.

It's a legal recording, only one person has to know. It's done all the time

I am under the impression that one of the two parties has to consent. In this case it is Chuck and therefore legal. Had a third party taped the conversation without the consent of Jimmy or Chuck (wiretap without a warrant), it would have been illegal.

Ah, may have misinterpreted it myself then. My mistake.

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So who was the BB cameo that Gilligan wanted to put in this episode?

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Had to be Gus. Thinking he put the note on Mike's car.

Great season. Gilligan is the man.

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I agree. I think Nacho knew Mike would be there so he informed Gus. I still think Nacho is the connection to bring Gus in and Gus is the cause of Hector in the wheel chair.

They decided to warn Mike instead of just kill him because they know they can use Mike's skills.

Not derail too much but the table says

"...unlawful without the consent of one of the parties to said communication"

Jimmy is the one party to said communication without consent, making it unlawful.

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Not derail too much but the table says

"...unlawful without the consent of one of the parties to said communication"

Jimmy is the one party to said communication without consent, making it unlawful.

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chuck is "one of the parties". if it required consent of everyone being recorded it would say so.

**** Chuck and his horrible ways to his brother. Chuck is going to break and force Jimmy to quit being a lawyer; something Jimmy said he would do if Chuck just asked, "He'd leave for good".

For all the sleazy lawyer s*** that Jimmy does, Chuck is no better. Jimmy continues to go back and do anything and everything for his brother (I don't think it's out of brotherly love, but out of "I'm not going to be the first one to quit") Although Chuck said if the roles were reversed he would do the same for Jimmy, this is a load of s***!

Chuck is a d***bag, with no friends and resent Jimmy in every way possible.

I think/hope the recording is what finally causes Jimmy to commit Chuck.

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Had to be Gus. Thinking he put the note on Mike's car.

Great season. Gilligan is the man.

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I agree. I think Nacho knew Mike would be there so he informed Gus. I still think Nacho is the connection to bring Gus in and Gus is the cause of Hector in the wheel chair.

They decided to warn Mike instead of just kill him because they know they can use Mike's skills.

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Yep. It's no coincidence Nacho was acting almost as a human shield when they were outside.

I think it was coincidence.

Even though he knew Mike would be there shooting there's no way Nacho knew which direction Mike would be shooting from. He could've been anywhere.

Wonder if we'll see what happened to CHuck's wife? How his sensitivity to electromagnetic fields started?

They could also explore why Jimmy is so devoted to Chuck - it's assumed because he's an older brother, Jimmy respects his law skills/position - but maybe there is more.

Not that I want more Chuck time, but there is still more they could explore there if the writers are interested.

I could see 2-3 episodes on chuck/jimmy backstory and fallout, 1-2 episodes on disintegration of Kim/Jimmy Relationship, and 5 Gus/Mike heavy episodes.

In the opening scene I first thought it was Chuck's wife in the hospital bed.

Well ... The note placer knew exactly where his car was ...

I took that as the note placer was tailing him or was posted up somewhere on the lookout for him.

From how far away he was Nacho couldn't have even seen him without binoculars.

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I think it was coincidence.

Even though he knew Mike would be there shooting there's no way Nacho knew which direction Mike would be shooting from. He could've been anywhere.

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Gus knew where Mike was, therefore, I think Nacho knew which way Mike was shooting from. so he shielded him.

Interesting that Chuck has become "Slipping Chuck."

Also, maybe the thing that drives Kim away is the fact that Jimmy won't "stay bad." You can't count on a guy who will go to such great lengths to do some sinister stuff and then give it all right back at the tug of his brother. She thinks it's easier to "trust" a guy that you know how he'll respond in every situation--whether ethical or not

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Um, after Mike had been set up for a while. Call it 5 mins or so to find him.

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yes well....the one consenting party is Chuck. so it is legal.

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sorry i did read that wrong....however it is apparently only referring to phone conversations because i found this:

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Summary of statute(s): It is an unlawful "interference with communications" to record a telephone conversation without the consent of one of the parties to the communication. But the statute does not prohibit recording an in-person conversation without such consent. N.M. Stat. Ann. 30-12-1 (West 2012). -

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In-person conversations: Because the statute defines the unlawful recording activity as the "cutting, breaking, tapping or making any connection with any telegraph or telephone line, wire, cable or instrument belonging to or in the lawful possession or control of another, without the consent of such person owning, possessing or controlling such property" or "reading, interrupting, taking or copying any message, communication or report intended for another by telegraph or telephone without the consent of a sender or intended recipient thereof," it does not apply to conversations not held over a telegraph or telephone wire. Id. And a state appellate court held that the transmittal of the contents of a face-to-face conversation recorded through a device concealed on one of the participants to the conversation was not the type of eavesdropping activity criminalized by the state wiretap statute. New Mexico v. Hogervorst, 566 P.2d 828 (N.M. Ct. App. 1977).

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so it IS legal.

http://www.rcfp.org/reporters-recording-guide/state-state-guide/new-mexico


so NM does make it illegal to record conversations over any "wire" without consent of all parties involved. That does differ from other states (Texas I know is a single party consent state as I have done that myself and used it in a legal case). But not all states are the same. NM apparently requires consent of all parties (illegal without consent of one of the parties means all parties have to consent - it does not mean one party consent). But it does NOT apply to in person conversations.

I have the feeling Chuck would know this.

I think they knew most likely place to get a shot from.

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I think it was coincidence.

Even though he knew Mike would be there shooting there's no way Nacho knew which direction Mike would be shooting from. He could've been anywhere.

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Gus knew where Mike was, therefore, I think Nacho knew which way Mike was shooting from. so he shielded him.

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So somehow Gus found Mike and relayed that info to Nacho? Nope.

They knew he'd be there somewhere and Gus either tailed him (doubtful cause Mike would've seen) or he was camped out somewhere and he spotted him. No way Gus could've relayed the information to Nacho.

Plus, if he knew Nacho could've just stood between Mike and Hector the entire time and Gus wouldn't have needed to get his attention and tell him don't.

he had to know where he was. The horn wasn't even going off for most of the time Mike would have had a shot. Let's not overthink it guys. Without Nacho standing there, Mike would have gotten a shot off. Wasn't dumb luck that Nacho was standing there.

This is gonna have to be another agree to disagree. I don't think they knew beforehand what direction Mike was shooting from.

They obviously knew he would be there, but in that wide open desert he could've been anywhere.

Plus I don't think it's vital to the story line so no big deal.

edit - i was writing this as the above posts/conversation took place...same concept.....


so on another subject.....hold on just a second....something just occurred to me ala Gus.


When I saw the scene I thought Nacho standing right there blocking Salamanca was just incredible coincidence....however it looked kinda forced.

I just realized. Perhaps they (or Nacho at least) were warned that Mike was there and where he would be, thus where to stand to protect Salamanca, knowing Mike would not shoot Nacho????

Is that possible?

Because here's the thing...if Gus (or whoever working for Gus) followed Mike and wanted to thwart him killing Salamanca with the horn distraction.....why did they wait until after the execution and after they all were back safely in the shack??????

Whoever it was SHOULD have done that right off the bat as a warning and/or to distract Mike and stop the initial attempt. Otherwise it was just pure dumb luck that Nacho stood there and then that was a bad plan.

So then what apparently happened was they let Mike get in position and told Nacho where he was so he knew where to stand to let Mike see the execution but not have a shot at Salamanca. Then when they retreat inside the house they have no exit without possible danger so then they sound the horn warning and leave the note.

Thats the only thing that really makes sense. They would not have initially left it up to chance that Nacho would stand in the way. Also Nacho had weird expressions on the drive over - which could be construed as relating to the hostage and his groaning, but might also be because he knew what was about to happen and didn;t like being a shield.

If they were trying to not get Tio shot then he could have just stayed in the house. Nacho was not a shield.

The two hospital scenes really hit home. I recently lost my father and the last few weeks were spent in and out of hospitals and with a trip to the ER. They did an amazing job capturing the emotions a trip like that entails.

I don't want to see Chuck go. I think he's a great character who is being played amazingly. Why does everyone want to get straight to Saul? Why not enjoy this journey? If you knew how Walt would end up would you want to skip what made him?

For all the bad that Chuck has done to Jimmy, he still risked everything to save him. Jimmy loves Chuck. I don't think the feeling is mutual. If Jimmy's life were on the line I think Chuck would let him die.

I love the Ernesto Fring idea. According to IMDB Ernesto isn't credited with having a last name. Ernesto, Gustavo. Ernie, Gus. I love it.

Its really not that hard to see how they knew where he would be shooting from, especially if the cartel uses the gun dealer. After sighting in the gun, he could have went to Nacho/Gus and told them the distance Mike was going to shoot from. Nacho/Gus then scouts the area and determines that is the place Mike would be shooting from.

yeah....we don't know...it's entirely possible (inside the van or the shack, offscreen) that Nacho got a call telling him where Mike was before they proceeded outside.


but the timing of the warning horn and note makes no sense, for a well thought out plan (and this is Gus we are talking about here).....unless only way it makes sense is

1. they wanted Salamanca to witness the execution and not know anything was amiss
2. alos wanted Mike to see the execution and not get warned off earlier
3. didn't just want to kill Mike (likely want to put Mike to work for them)
4. someone told Nacho where the shooter was
5. once inside the shack they had no safe exit
6. but also could not hear the horn (notice the grave digger did not hear it either)

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If they were trying to not get Tio shot then he could have just stayed in the house. Nacho was not a shield.

The two hospital scenes really hit home. I recently lost my father and the last few weeks were spent in and out of hospitals and with a trip to the ER. They did an amazing job capturing the emotions a trip like that entails.

I don't want to see Chuck go. I think he's a great character who is being played amazingly. Why does everyone want to get straight to Saul? Why not enjoy this journey? If you knew how Walt would end up would you want to skip what made him?

For all the bad that Chuck has done to Jimmy, he still risked everything to save him. Jimmy loves Chuck. I don't think the feeling is mutual. If Jimmy's life were on the line I think Chuck would let him die.

I love the Ernesto Fring idea. According to IMDB Ernesto isn't credited with having a last name. Ernesto, Gustavo. Ernie, Gus. I love it.

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no....you are missing the one important piece of info....they did not want Tio to know anything was amiss.

We aren't saying they ALL knew about Mike. Saying Gus or his people knew and told Nacho only. So he stands where Tio is protected.

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I think it was coincidence.

Even though he knew Mike would be there shooting there's no way Nacho knew which direction Mike would be shooting from. He could've been anywhere.

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Gus knew where Mike was, therefore, I think Nacho knew which way Mike was shooting from. so he shielded him.

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So somehow Gus found Mike and relayed that info to Nacho? Nope.

They knew he'd be there somewhere and Gus either tailed him (doubtful cause Mike would've seen) or he was camped out somewhere and he spotted him. No way Gus could've relayed the information to Nacho.

Plus, if he knew Nacho could've just stood between Mike and Hector the entire time and Gus wouldn't have needed to get his attention and tell him don't.

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the DON'T was after the hit...it wasn't to protect him during that. It was because Mike was not leaving. they were then trapped in the shack without a safe exit. Mike could shoot them heading to the cars, or shoot the cars themselves and blow them up possibly.

they let Mike see the execution and made sure Salamanca was protected (and was not aware of anything being amiss). then they had to get Mike out of there.

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he had to know where he was. The horn wasn't even going off for most of the time Mike would have had a shot. Let's not overthink it guys. Without Nacho standing there, Mike would have gotten a shot off. Wasn't dumb luck that Nacho was standing there.

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There is zero chance Nacho knew exactly where to stand.

I can already tell this will be the new debate to be had for the next year.

How many have we had this season?

I think the angle of the gun clearly shows Mike was going to shoot Jesse

With the mountain in the background, the house at Salamanca's back, henchmen in front; that was really the best place to cover the odds of where a shot could come from - Nacho knew about where to stand to prevent a direct kill shot.

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he had to know where he was. The horn wasn't even going off for most of the time Mike would have had a shot. Let's not overthink it guys. Without Nacho standing there, Mike would have gotten a shot off. Wasn't dumb luck that Nacho was standing there.

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There is zero chance Nacho knew exactly where to stand.

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This makes zero sense.

Without Nacho standing all up in his face blocking the shot, Mike blows his head off. You seriously think that was just dumb luck?

What point would it have been to have someone go set off his horn with a warning after the execution is over if they weren't also going to protect Salamanca when he was out in the open when they knew Mike would be watching?