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***** Official Houston Astros 2024-2025 Offseason Thread *****
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Wabs said:
Good Lord. Breggy was a critical piece of this golden era in Astros history. Best 3B we've ever had, 2-time World Series champion, and I'd say top 10 all time Astro. Dude was nails.
Top 10 eh? Thats actually a good debate.
1. Altuve
2. Biggio
3. Bagwell
4. Nolan Ryan
5. Jimmy Wynn
6. Yordan Alvarez
7. Billy Wagner
8. Lance Berkman
9. Roy Oswalt
10. Cesar Cedeno
I could easily be convinced that Bregman belongs on that list
jone Cruz belongs there.
I'd argue that Verlander should be on that list in addition to Jose Cruz. Others to consider would be Joe Niekro, Mike Scott, and Larry Dierker. Does Bregman break into the top 15?
Well it really depends on how you're defining top 10 - Raw talent? Career contributions? IDK if there is an easier answer.
On any list I'd say Altuve #1, Biggio #2, Bagwell #3, but then it gets hazy.
We should set up some minimum games played or games pitched and go from there.
On any list I'd say Altuve #1, Biggio #2, Bagwell #3, but then it gets hazy.
We should set up some minimum games played or games pitched and go from there.
Breggy played here almost a decade, was a very key part of our only 2 championships. He's in the top 10 in my opinion. I think Altuve is a clear #1 and Breggy is somewhere around 8-10.
We did Mount Rushmore last offseason. Here are the results. Note - the rules for the exercise said at least 1 pitcher. People submitted their A and B Mount Rushmore.
Bregman was tied for around 13th.Quote:
Mount Rushmore
Jose Altuve - 28/28
Craig Biggio - 28/28
Jeff Bagwell - 26/28
Nolan Ryan - 15/28
Mount Rushmore - B Team
Justin Verlander - 13/28
Jose Cruz - 12/28
Lance Berkman - 11/28
Billy Wagner - 8/28
Other Votes
Roy Oswalt - 5/28
JR Richard - 5/28
Yordan Alvarez - 4/28
Csar Cedeño - 4/28
Mike Scott - 2/28
Alex Bregman - 2/28
Jimmy Wynn - 2/28
Carlos Correa - 1/28
Larry Dieker - 1/28
George Springer - 1/28
Alex Bregman All Time Astro Ranks
Postseason
- 7th fWAR, 39.7
- 16th Games, 1111
- 11th PA, 4832
- 6th HR, 191
- 8th Runs, 694
- 9th RBI, 663
- 11th Hits, 1132
- 9th BB, 576
- 8th wRC+, 135
- 9th Off, 196.6
- 17th Def, 32.6
Postseason
- 2nd Games, 99 - tied for 8th all time
- 2nd PA, 434 - 8th all time
- 2nd (tied) HR, 19 - tied for 6th all time
- 2nd Runs, 63 - 6th all time
- 3rd RBI, 54 - tied for 8th all time
- 2nd Hits, 88 - tied for 13th all time
- 1st BB, 53 - 9th all time
- 9th wRC+, 117 (min 50 PA)
Verlander blows Nolan away in astro accomplishments
How is this possible? Surely he and Altuve are tied for first?Farmer1906 said:
Alex Bregman All Time Astro Ranks
- 7th fWAR, 39.7
- 16th Games, 1111
- 11th PA, 4832
- 6th HR, 191
- 8th Runs, 694
- 9th RBI, 663
- 11th Hits, 1132
- 9th BB, 576
- 8th wRC+, 135
- 9th Off, 196.6
- 17th Def, 32.6
Postseason
- 2nd Games, 99 - tied for 8th all time
- 2nd PA, 434 - 8th all time
- 2nd (tied) HR, 19 - tied for 6th all time
- 2nd Runs, 63 - 6th all time
- 3rd RBI, 54 - tied for 8th all time
- 2nd Hits, 88 - tied for 13th all time
- 1st BB, 53 - 9th all time
- 9th wRC+, 117 (min 50 PA)
Im looking for Ray Finkle.... and a clean pair of shorts. Im just a very big Finkle fan. This is my Graceland, sir.
MAGA
MAGA
Farmer1906 said:
We did Mount Rushmore last offseason. Here are the results. Note - the rules for the exercise said at least 1 pitcher. People submitted their A and B Mount Rushmore.Bregman was tied for around 13th.Quote:
Mount Rushmore
Jose Altuve - 28/28
Craig Biggio - 28/28
Jeff Bagwell - 26/28
Nolan Ryan - 15/28
Mount Rushmore - B Team
Justin Verlander - 13/28
Jose Cruz - 12/28
Lance Berkman - 11/28
Billy Wagner - 8/28
Other Votes
Roy Oswalt - 5/28
JR Richard - 5/28
Yordan Alvarez - 4/28
Csar Cedeño - 4/28
Mike Scott - 2/28
Alex Bregman - 2/28
Jimmy Wynn - 2/28
Carlos Correa - 1/28
Larry Dieker - 1/28
George Springer - 1/28
Yeah and nothing Bregman did this past season moves him up those rankings besides the Dodger walk off that didn't mean much in the grand scheme of things
the 2015 postseason gives Altuve the lead
W said:
the 2015 postseason gives Altuve the lead
So is altuve 1st? If so bregman has to be 2nd
Im looking for Ray Finkle.... and a clean pair of shorts. Im just a very big Finkle fan. This is my Graceland, sir.
MAGA
MAGA
jja79 said:
jone Cruz belongs there.
Amen and amen.
Are you talking about all time?Mr.Bond said:W said:
the 2015 postseason gives Altuve the lead
So is altuve 1st? If so bregman has to be 2nd
1. Jeter - 158
2. Posada - 125
3. B Williams - 121
4. Justice - 112
5. Manny - 111
6. Altuve - 105
7. Molina - 104
8. Tino Martiniez & Breggy - 99
Basically the Yankees dynasty plus Manny are all that is ahead of Altuve.
Playoff stats are all skewed to modern times because there are more playoffs than there used to be.
100%
but its still awesome that tbe all time leaderboard is littered with Astros.
but its still awesome that tbe all time leaderboard is littered with Astros.
I thought we were talking astros all time ranksFarmer1906 said:Are you talking about all time?Mr.Bond said:W said:
the 2015 postseason gives Altuve the lead
So is altuve 1st? If so bregman has to be 2nd
1. Jeter - 158
2. Posada - 125
3. B Williams - 121
4. Justice - 112
5. Manny - 111
6. Altuve - 105
7. Molina - 104
8. Tino Martiniez & Breggy - 99
Basically the Yankees dynasty plus Manny are all that is ahead of Altuve.
Im looking for Ray Finkle.... and a clean pair of shorts. Im just a very big Finkle fan. This is my Graceland, sir.
MAGA
MAGA
You guys may be right about Bregman, but I guess there's recency bias involved here for me.
Dude got a good offer, he and his agent shined on it and then you immediately start thinking about what you're missing out on and the only thing that cycles through my mind for the past 12 months are a s*** ton of infield pop-ups in crucial situations and GIDP. Bregman had that one hot stretch that I can recall this past season, but was largely garbage and is on wrong side of 30.
He isn't worth what we offered at this point and certainly won't be worth what he eventually gets.
Also, strictly from an analytics standpoint....the offensive contribution from the corner infield this coming season should be significantly improved assuming a drop from Bregman to Paredes, but a massive jump by inputting Walker at 1st.
Dude got a good offer, he and his agent shined on it and then you immediately start thinking about what you're missing out on and the only thing that cycles through my mind for the past 12 months are a s*** ton of infield pop-ups in crucial situations and GIDP. Bregman had that one hot stretch that I can recall this past season, but was largely garbage and is on wrong side of 30.
He isn't worth what we offered at this point and certainly won't be worth what he eventually gets.
Also, strictly from an analytics standpoint....the offensive contribution from the corner infield this coming season should be significantly improved assuming a drop from Bregman to Paredes, but a massive jump by inputting Walker at 1st.
Probably not many people my age here so most never saw him. Larry Dierker definitely belongs. In the majors at 17, played on some horrendous teams but won 137 games, pitched a no hitter, first 20 game winner, great broadcaster and Astros manager. He was absolutely a horse.
Jim Wynn would have hit who knows how many HR playing in the current band box. When he played the dimensions of the dome were 340 down the lines, 390 in the alleys and 406 to center.
Jim Wynn would have hit who knows how many HR playing in the current band box. When he played the dimensions of the dome were 340 down the lines, 390 in the alleys and 406 to center.
I'm waiting for the post with the advanced stats that reveal that Adam Everett and Chris Truby are actually the two greatest Astros of all time.
A while back I was going through the notes app in my phone and deleting old ones when I came across one that was typed out at 2:44am on a Friday night in 2018 and it just said "Chris Truby".The Porkchop Express said:
I'm waiting for the post with the advanced stats that reveal that Adam Everett and Chris Truby are actually the two greatest Astros of all time.
To this day I have no idea why that existed.
Oh I'd fully agree on Dierker.jja79 said:
Probably not many people my age here so most never saw him. Larry Dierker definitely belongs. In the majors at 17, played on some horrendous teams but won 137 games, pitched a no hitter, first 20 game winner, great broadcaster and Astros manager. He was absolutely a horse.
Jim Wynn would have hit who knows how many HR playing in the current band box. When he played the dimensions of the dome were 340 down the lines, 390 in the alleys and 406 to center.
The guy who is missing from the list who an old scout I grew-up learning from would talk about was J.R. Richard...insisted that Richard would be mentioned among the greats in the game had the stroke not ended his career very prematurely.
Mr.Bond said:I thought we were talking astros all time ranksFarmer1906 said:Are you talking about all time?Mr.Bond said:W said:
the 2015 postseason gives Altuve the lead
So is altuve 1st? If so bregman has to be 2nd
1. Jeter - 158
2. Posada - 125
3. B Williams - 121
4. Justice - 112
5. Manny - 111
6. Altuve - 105
7. Molina - 104
8. Tino Martiniez & Breggy - 99
Basically the Yankees dynasty plus Manny are all that is ahead of Altuve.
It's the first thing listed in the original post, he's 2nd all time astros and 8th overall.
I had a very similar thing happen several years ago where I had a draft to a group of buddies from 2015 that simply said "Glen Davis and Terry Puhl runnin' a train on Jordan Schaefer's Mom" and I still have NO idea what the context was and assume I was drunk AF and ranting.texasaggie2015 said:A while back I was going through the notes app in my phone and deleting old ones when I came across one that was typed out at 2:44am on a Friday night in 2018 and it just said "Chris Truby".The Porkchop Express said:
I'm waiting for the post with the advanced stats that reveal that Adam Everett and Chris Truby are actually the two greatest Astros of all time.
To this day I have no idea why that existed.
Jordan Schafer.... what a let down that guy was lol
Im looking for Ray Finkle.... and a clean pair of shorts. Im just a very big Finkle fan. This is my Graceland, sir.
MAGA
MAGA
Don't give Porkchop ideas for the next short story he writes
Only because we fans build up guys that show any modicum of success into the next great thing. The long list of letdowns just proves how difficult MLB really is.Mr.Bond said:
Jordan Schafer.... what a let down that guy was lol
The Porkchop Express said:
Verlander blows Nolan away in astro accomplishments
Yup - I'd be willing to swap JV and Nolan on the Astros Mount Rushmore for sure.
The Beef01 said:Oh I'd fully agree on Dierker.jja79 said:
Probably not many people my age here so most never saw him. Larry Dierker definitely belongs. In the majors at 17, played on some horrendous teams but won 137 games, pitched a no hitter, first 20 game winner, great broadcaster and Astros manager. He was absolutely a horse.
Jim Wynn would have hit who knows how many HR playing in the current band box. When he played the dimensions of the dome were 340 down the lines, 390 in the alleys and 406 to center.
The guy who is missing from the list who an old scout I grew-up learning from would talk about was J.R. Richard...insisted that Richard would be mentioned among the greats in the game had the stroke not ended his career very prematurely.
JRR was the right handed Randy Johnson of his time.
People who never saw him just cannot fathom how scary he was in the early years when he really had no control.
The Mount Rushmore of All-Time "What IF" could easily have 2 astros in JR and Dickie Thon.
J.R. Richard vs. Reggie Jackson at the 1980 All-Star game with Rod Carew 3B and Johnny Bench catching.Mathguy64 said:The Beef01 said:Oh I'd fully agree on Dierker.jja79 said:
Probably not many people my age here so most never saw him. Larry Dierker definitely belongs. In the majors at 17, played on some horrendous teams but won 137 games, pitched a no hitter, first 20 game winner, great broadcaster and Astros manager. He was absolutely a horse.
Jim Wynn would have hit who knows how many HR playing in the current band box. When he played the dimensions of the dome were 340 down the lines, 390 in the alleys and 406 to center.
The guy who is missing from the list who an old scout I grew-up learning from would talk about was J.R. Richard...insisted that Richard would be mentioned among the greats in the game had the stroke not ended his career very prematurely.
JRR was the right handed Randy Johnson of his time.
People who never saw him just cannot fathom how scary he was in the early years when he really had no control.
Jr whiffs him, but the real highlight is the pitch at 2:10 where JR makes Reggie look like a straight up *****.
Add Carlos Hernandez...who would be the 4th?
Bobby Abreu had we not left him unprotected in the expansion draft
Eh, guys that went on to greatness elsewhere is a whole other category: Abreu, Lofton, Schilling, Santana, etc.
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