techno-ag said:

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doubledog said:

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EliteElectric said:

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techno-ag said:

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TexasAggie_02 said:

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I would guess that if the mayor had never called the pilot on January 3rd, that the plane would be gone by now.

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The circumstantial evidence indeed seems very strong to support this. The pilot found out the mayor was going to submit a claim to his insurance company and then sued for nearly the same amount.

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Also it sounds to me like the pilot was expecting a "total of the aircraft" he never got, so instead of a new plane he's gonna have to retrieve and fix the old one. He may have been wrangling with his own insurance company for 2 months before deciding to go this latest route.

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I doubt that.. The insurance would not cover the cost of a "new" airplane.

This discussion does not concern me. I would like to know how a person "known and trusted" by the BBC would get a $1/year lease on 200 acres of land.

FYI: "known and trusted" is called the "old boy network" in the rest of the United States. I thought those days were behind us, in Bryan at least. What I have learned from this whole incident is that the "old boy network" is alive and well in the BCS area.

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This has been discussed at length. There is nothing illegal about the lease. It does not have to go out to bid. It's more of a convenience thing than anything else.

We didn't get the deal because most of us here don't have a herd of cattle we can graze. And if we did, that we could evacuate quickly. And if we did, how would the BBC board know and trust us?

The lease is a nothing burger.

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techno-ag said:

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skeetboy3 said:

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techno-ag said:

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doubledog said:

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EliteElectric said:

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techno-ag said:

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TexasAggie_02 said:

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I would guess that if the mayor had never called the pilot on January 3rd, that the plane would be gone by now.

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The circumstantial evidence indeed seems very strong to support this. The pilot found out the mayor was going to submit a claim to his insurance company and then sued for nearly the same amount.

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Also it sounds to me like the pilot was expecting a "total of the aircraft" he never got, so instead of a new plane he's gonna have to retrieve and fix the old one. He may have been wrangling with his own insurance company for 2 months before deciding to go this latest route.

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I doubt that.. The insurance would not cover the cost of a "new" airplane.

This discussion does not concern me. I would like to know how a person "known and trusted" by the BBC would get a $1/year lease on 200 acres of land.

FYI: "known and trusted" is called the "old boy network" in the rest of the United States. I thought those days were behind us, in Bryan at least. What I have learned from this whole incident is that the "old boy network" is alive and well in the BCS area.

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This has been discussed at length. There is nothing illegal about the lease. It does not have to go out to bid. It's more of a convenience thing than anything else.

We didn't get the deal because most of us here don't have a herd of cattle we can graze. And if we did, that we could evacuate quickly. And if we did, how would the BBC board know and trust us?

The lease is a nothing burger.

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Perhaps I don't have the herd because I cannot afford the lease prices. I could at that price. As for evacuation, worst case scenario they have a cattle auction every week.

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Standard rate lease is $2000/year, or $167/mo. If you can't afford that I don't see how you could afford running a herd either. What are round bales going for these days? I saw them at $125 each. Even at half that price, if you can't afford a $167/month lease, you can't afford to feed your cows through the winter.

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Tibbers said:

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You're right, from the The Eagle article on Friday, the BBC were unaware of what was going on with the land from what I gathered. I probably misread the article. I read it in passing. I have no idea.

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techno-ag said:

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skeetboy3 said:

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techno-ag said:

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doubledog said:

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EliteElectric said:

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techno-ag said:

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TexasAggie_02 said:

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I would guess that if the mayor had never called the pilot on January 3rd, that the plane would be gone by now.

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The circumstantial evidence indeed seems very strong to support this. The pilot found out the mayor was going to submit a claim to his insurance company and then sued for nearly the same amount.

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Also it sounds to me like the pilot was expecting a "total of the aircraft" he never got, so instead of a new plane he's gonna have to retrieve and fix the old one. He may have been wrangling with his own insurance company for 2 months before deciding to go this latest route.

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I doubt that.. The insurance would not cover the cost of a "new" airplane.

This discussion does not concern me. I would like to know how a person "known and trusted" by the BBC would get a $1/year lease on 200 acres of land.

FYI: "known and trusted" is called the "old boy network" in the rest of the United States. I thought those days were behind us, in Bryan at least. What I have learned from this whole incident is that the "old boy network" is alive and well in the BCS area.

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This has been discussed at length. There is nothing illegal about the lease. It does not have to go out to bid. It's more of a convenience thing than anything else.

We didn't get the deal because most of us here don't have a herd of cattle we can graze. And if we did, that we could evacuate quickly. And if we did, how would the BBC board know and trust us?

The lease is a nothing burger.

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Perhaps I don't have the herd because I cannot afford the lease prices. I could at that price. As for evacuation, worst case scenario they have a cattle auction every week.

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Standard rate lease is $2000/year, or $167/mo. If you can't afford that I don't see how you could afford running a herd either. What are round bales going for these days? I saw them at $125 each. Even at half that price, if you can't afford a $167/month lease, you can't afford to feed your cows through the winter.

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FishrCoAg said:

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techno-ag said:

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skeetboy3 said:

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techno-ag said:

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doubledog said:

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EliteElectric said:

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techno-ag said:

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TexasAggie_02 said:

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I would guess that if the mayor had never called the pilot on January 3rd, that the plane would be gone by now.

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The circumstantial evidence indeed seems very strong to support this. The pilot found out the mayor was going to submit a claim to his insurance company and then sued for nearly the same amount.

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Also it sounds to me like the pilot was expecting a "total of the aircraft" he never got, so instead of a new plane he's gonna have to retrieve and fix the old one. He may have been wrangling with his own insurance company for 2 months before deciding to go this latest route.

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I doubt that.. The insurance would not cover the cost of a "new" airplane.

This discussion does not concern me. I would like to know how a person "known and trusted" by the BBC would get a $1/year lease on 200 acres of land.

FYI: "known and trusted" is called the "old boy network" in the rest of the United States. I thought those days were behind us, in Bryan at least. What I have learned from this whole incident is that the "old boy network" is alive and well in the BCS area.

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This has been discussed at length. There is nothing illegal about the lease. It does not have to go out to bid. It's more of a convenience thing than anything else.

We didn't get the deal because most of us here don't have a herd of cattle we can graze. And if we did, that we could evacuate quickly. And if we did, how would the BBC board know and trust us?

The lease is a nothing burger.

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Perhaps I don't have the herd because I cannot afford the lease prices. I could at that price. As for evacuation, worst case scenario they have a cattle auction every week.

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Standard rate lease is $2000/year, or $167/mo. If you can't afford that I don't see how you could afford running a herd either. What are round bales going for these days? I saw them at $125 each. Even at half that price, if you can't afford a $167/month lease, you can't afford to feed your cows through the winter.

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You might be correct if the standard lease rate was in fact 2k per year. Just because you keep stating it doesn't make it accurate.

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techno-ag said:

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doubledog said:

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techno-ag said:

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doubledog said:

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FishrCoAg said:

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techno-ag said:

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skeetboy3 said:

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techno-ag said:

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doubledog said:

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EliteElectric said:

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techno-ag said:

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TexasAggie_02 said:

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I would guess that if the mayor had never called the pilot on January 3rd, that the plane would be gone by now.

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The circumstantial evidence indeed seems very strong to support this. The pilot found out the mayor was going to submit a claim to his insurance company and then sued for nearly the same amount.

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Also it sounds to me like the pilot was expecting a "total of the aircraft" he never got, so instead of a new plane he's gonna have to retrieve and fix the old one. He may have been wrangling with his own insurance company for 2 months before deciding to go this latest route.

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I doubt that.. The insurance would not cover the cost of a "new" airplane.

This discussion does not concern me. I would like to know how a person "known and trusted" by the BBC would get a $1/year lease on 200 acres of land.

FYI: "known and trusted" is called the "old boy network" in the rest of the United States. I thought those days were behind us, in Bryan at least. What I have learned from this whole incident is that the "old boy network" is alive and well in the BCS area.

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This has been discussed at length. There is nothing illegal about the lease. It does not have to go out to bid. It's more of a convenience thing than anything else.

We didn't get the deal because most of us here don't have a herd of cattle we can graze. And if we did, that we could evacuate quickly. And if we did, how would the BBC board know and trust us?

The lease is a nothing burger.

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Perhaps I don't have the herd because I cannot afford the lease prices. I could at that price. As for evacuation, worst case scenario they have a cattle auction every week.

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Standard rate lease is $2000/year, or $167/mo. If you can't afford that I don't see how you could afford running a herd either. What are round bales going for these days? I saw them at $125 each. Even at half that price, if you can't afford a $167/month lease, you can't afford to feed your cows through the winter.

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You might be correct if the standard lease rate was in fact 2k per year. Just because you keep stating it doesn't make it accurate.

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2K is the average for Texas.. Not for Brazos County...

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What's the average for Brazos County?

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Last time I checked it was about $3500/year. Anyone have an update?

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For 200 acres? Even at that price, if you can't afford it you can't afford to feed cows round bales at $125 each all through the winter. Plus range cubes, etc.

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angus55 said:

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techno-ag said:

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doubledog said:

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techno-ag said:

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doubledog said:

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FishrCoAg said:

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techno-ag said:

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skeetboy3 said:

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techno-ag said:

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doubledog said:

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EliteElectric said:

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techno-ag said:

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TexasAggie_02 said:

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I would guess that if the mayor had never called the pilot on January 3rd, that the plane would be gone by now.

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The circumstantial evidence indeed seems very strong to support this. The pilot found out the mayor was going to submit a claim to his insurance company and then sued for nearly the same amount.

---

Also it sounds to me like the pilot was expecting a "total of the aircraft" he never got, so instead of a new plane he's gonna have to retrieve and fix the old one. He may have been wrangling with his own insurance company for 2 months before deciding to go this latest route.

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I doubt that.. The insurance would not cover the cost of a "new" airplane.

This discussion does not concern me. I would like to know how a person "known and trusted" by the BBC would get a $1/year lease on 200 acres of land.

FYI: "known and trusted" is called the "old boy network" in the rest of the United States. I thought those days were behind us, in Bryan at least. What I have learned from this whole incident is that the "old boy network" is alive and well in the BCS area.

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This has been discussed at length. There is nothing illegal about the lease. It does not have to go out to bid. It's more of a convenience thing than anything else.

We didn't get the deal because most of us here don't have a herd of cattle we can graze. And if we did, that we could evacuate quickly. And if we did, how would the BBC board know and trust us?

The lease is a nothing burger.

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Perhaps I don't have the herd because I cannot afford the lease prices. I could at that price. As for evacuation, worst case scenario they have a cattle auction every week.

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Standard rate lease is $2000/year, or $167/mo. If you can't afford that I don't see how you could afford running a herd either. What are round bales going for these days? I saw them at $125 each. Even at half that price, if you can't afford a $167/month lease, you can't afford to feed your cows through the winter.

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You might be correct if the standard lease rate was in fact 2k per year. Just because you keep stating it doesn't make it accurate.

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2K is the average for Texas.. Not for Brazos County...

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What's the average for Brazos County?

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Last time I checked it was about $3500/year. Anyone have an update?

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For 200 acres? Even at that price, if you can't afford it you can't afford to feed cows round bales at $125 each all through the winter. Plus range cubes, etc.

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What is your point? What are you even arguing?

Yes it is a sweetheart deal friend new mayor got that was bought with COB money. That is the fact that stinks.

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techno-ag said:

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angus55 said:

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techno-ag said:

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doubledog said:

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techno-ag said:

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doubledog said:

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FishrCoAg said:

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techno-ag said:

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skeetboy3 said:

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techno-ag said:

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doubledog said:

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EliteElectric said:

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techno-ag said:

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TexasAggie_02 said:

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I would guess that if the mayor had never called the pilot on January 3rd, that the plane would be gone by now.

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The circumstantial evidence indeed seems very strong to support this. The pilot found out the mayor was going to submit a claim to his insurance company and then sued for nearly the same amount.

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Also it sounds to me like the pilot was expecting a "total of the aircraft" he never got, so instead of a new plane he's gonna have to retrieve and fix the old one. He may have been wrangling with his own insurance company for 2 months before deciding to go this latest route.

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I doubt that.. The insurance would not cover the cost of a "new" airplane.

This discussion does not concern me. I would like to know how a person "known and trusted" by the BBC would get a $1/year lease on 200 acres of land.

FYI: "known and trusted" is called the "old boy network" in the rest of the United States. I thought those days were behind us, in Bryan at least. What I have learned from this whole incident is that the "old boy network" is alive and well in the BCS area.

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This has been discussed at length. There is nothing illegal about the lease. It does not have to go out to bid. It's more of a convenience thing than anything else.

We didn't get the deal because most of us here don't have a herd of cattle we can graze. And if we did, that we could evacuate quickly. And if we did, how would the BBC board know and trust us?

The lease is a nothing burger.

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Perhaps I don't have the herd because I cannot afford the lease prices. I could at that price. As for evacuation, worst case scenario they have a cattle auction every week.

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Standard rate lease is $2000/year, or $167/mo. If you can't afford that I don't see how you could afford running a herd either. What are round bales going for these days? I saw them at $125 each. Even at half that price, if you can't afford a $167/month lease, you can't afford to feed your cows through the winter.

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You might be correct if the standard lease rate was in fact 2k per year. Just because you keep stating it doesn't make it accurate.

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2K is the average for Texas.. Not for Brazos County...

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What's the average for Brazos County?

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Last time I checked it was about $3500/year. Anyone have an update?

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For 200 acres? Even at that price, if you can't afford it you can't afford to feed cows round bales at $125 each all through the winter. Plus range cubes, etc.

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What is your point? What are you even arguing?

Yes it is a sweetheart deal friend new mayor got that was bought with COB money. That is the fact that stinks.

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The statement I responded to was made multiple times how "many" cattlemen were denied this deal. Somebody said if only he had the deal, then he could afford to buy cattle and run them on the land.

This is of course absurd because grazing leases are not very expensive at all. If he cannot afford a lease at the state average, or even a supposedly higher local average, then he can't afford to even feed the cattle.

The lease is a nothing burger despite all the board attention paid to it, insinuating something nefarious, and various ridiculous statements like that.

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angus55 said:

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Yes it is a sweetheart deal friend new mayor got that was bought with COB money. That is the fact that stinks.

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davido said:

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angus55 said:

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Yes it is a sweetheart deal friend new mayor got that was bought with COB money. That is the fact that stinks.

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Not a fact. That's your opinion. You might even think it a popular opinion, but it's still no more than that. You have zero knowledge or evidence of how, why, or by whom that arrangement was initiated.

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whisperingbill said:

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I have no dog in this fight, but I am curious to know if this is the only such arrangement the mayor or anyone else has with the city? Grazing land should lease for a minimum of 20 dollars a acre per year. I know many people who pay more than that. To be fair, some places need a lot of work on fences and other improvements, so the person who is leasing the land will sometimes agree to spend the lease money on improvements to the land as compensation for the lease. I'm just curious if this is a one-off incident, or do these types of "leases" exist on other city property?

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trouble said:

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Technically

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whisperingbill said:

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I have no dog in this fight, but I am curious to know if this is the only such arrangement the mayor or anyone else has with the city? Grazing land should lease for a minimum of 20 dollars a acre per year. I know many people who pay more than that. To be fair, some places need a lot of work on fences and other improvements, so the person who is leasing the land will sometimes agree to spend the lease money on improvements to the land as compensation for the lease. I'm just curious if this is a one-off incident, or do these types of "leases" exist on other city property?

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davido said:

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GSS said:

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Since one poster continues to think everything was done "above board", why did Rafter D need to be involved at all? The land was/is used to hold Gutierrez's cattle, as per the Rafter D statement.

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Your argument is that all of Rafter D is a straw man leaseholder for La Pistola? Do you think La Pistola is Rafter Ds only client? I guess in all of this internet sleuthing, nobody actually looked up the experience of Rafter D.

Are you also aware that Gutierrez is not the sole decision maker of the BBC? There are multiple citizens appointed to BBC. The comments on here seem to indicate that the whole of BBC, all of these citizens, were in on some conspiracy to prevent the whole COB of a few thousand dollars. They're probably appointed by city council, so they're probably all in on it also, right?

Comically terrible thinking.

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doubledog said:

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whisperingbill said:

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I have no dog in this fight, but I am curious to know if this is the only such arrangement the mayor or anyone else has with the city? Grazing land should lease for a minimum of 20 dollars a acre per year. I know many people who pay more than that. To be fair, some places need a lot of work on fences and other improvements, so the person who is leasing the land will sometimes agree to spend the lease money on improvements to the land as compensation for the lease. I'm just curious if this is a one-off incident, or do these types of "leases" exist on other city property?

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Perhaps it is time to bring in an outside agency to investigate. If this a "nothing burger" as some have suggested then there is nothing to be concerned about... Is there?

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techno-ag said:

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doubledog said:

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whisperingbill said:

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I have no dog in this fight, but I am curious to know if this is the only such arrangement the mayor or anyone else has with the city? Grazing land should lease for a minimum of 20 dollars a acre per year. I know many people who pay more than that. To be fair, some places need a lot of work on fences and other improvements, so the person who is leasing the land will sometimes agree to spend the lease money on improvements to the land as compensation for the lease. I'm just curious if this is a one-off incident, or do these types of "leases" exist on other city property?

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Perhaps it is time to bring in an outside agency to investigate. If this a "nothing burger" as some have suggested then there is nothing to be concerned about... Is there?

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Except there's nothing to investigate. Nothing illegal occurred with the lease or the airplane. The only legal action has taken place by the pilot who has sued and looks to be trying to cash in somehow.

This is only a "big deal" to a dozen people or so here on TexAgs who think they've uncovered a Brazos County Watergate or something.

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cslifer said:

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You seem to be deliberately missing the point. He is asking for an investigation because we don't know if anything illegal happened. According to you there was no extortion attempt. According to the pilot and insurance company there was. According to you there is nothing unethical about the lease. According to common sense there is something unethical at minimum about the lease. Why not have someone look into it and see? Don't we all want the truth?

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