Nom de Plume said:

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I'm as curious as to why so many socks are posting and why people with Js in their handles are ranting (and posting personal negative Google business reviews) as I am in the actual topic.

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Right! In 13 years in business (and using either my real name or business name to post here and everywhere else) we have gotten exactly 2 Google reviews that weren't 5*.

At the risk of sounding like Bobby Gutierrez partisan (full disclosure: I have met him a couple times and we have a few mutual friends and acquaintances)… a lot of the criticism on the thread does come across as personal and frankly suspicious. As fractious as the City Council has been in the last few years, I wonder if some of the posters are seeing an opportunity to pile on a political opponent, or are supporters of an opponent.

EliteElectric said:

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Nom de Plume said:

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I'm as curious as to why so many socks are posting and why people with Js in their handles are ranting (and posting personal negative Google business reviews) as I am in the actual topic.

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Right! In 13 years in business (and using either my real name or business name to post here and everywhere else) we have gotten exactly 2 Google reviews that weren't 5*.

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i think if you had enough people mark as "unhelpful" you can get it to go away, not sure

Belton Ag said:

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At the risk of sounding like Bobby Gutierrez partisan (full disclosure: I have met him a couple times and we have a few mutual friends and acquaintances)… a lot of the criticism on the thread does come across as personal and frankly suspicious. As fractious as the City Council has been in the last few years, I wonder if some of the posters are seeing an opportunity to pile on a political opponent, or are supporters of an opponent.

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I have no dog in the fight. I'm in College Station.

There is a lot of strange stuff going on and no one truly knows where the truth is, but this entire deal sounds very suspicious and those in power should be above reproach and it definitely doesn't sound like they are here with the answers and non-answers they are given.

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Belton Ag said:

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At the risk of sounding like Bobby Gutierrez partisan (full disclosure: I have met him a couple times and we have a few mutual friends and acquaintances)… a lot of the criticism on the thread does come across as personal and frankly suspicious. As fractious as the City Council has been in the last few years, I wonder if some of the posters are seeing an opportunity to pile on a political opponent, or are supporters of an opponent.

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I have no dog in the fight. I'm in College Station.

There is a lot of strange stuff going on and no one truly knows where the truth is, but this entire deal sounds very suspicious and those in power should be above reproach and it definitely doesn't sound like they are here with the answers and non-answers they are given.

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I purposely am not going to call out any specific poster, and wasn't directing at you. But I completely agree with you. I'm hoping the truth does come out because some of this stuff looks bad on the surface.

Sorry your business has been attacked. After years of vitriol I can say that if you express an opinion that goes against the majority here, you can expect more of the same.

FWIW I have starred most of your posts on this thread as a sign of support. I think we should be able to respectfully state our opinions even if they are contrary to others. And I just don't believe this is some big underhanded conspiracy. I think it boils down to miscommunication more than anything.

EliteElectric said:

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Nom de Plume said:

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I'm as curious as to why so many socks are posting and why people with Js in their handles are ranting (and posting personal negative Google business reviews) as I am in the actual topic.

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Right! In 13 years in business (and using either my real name or business name to post here and everywhere else) we have gotten exactly 2 Google reviews that weren't 5*.

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If people are slandering your business, that's not cool at all. It should be okay to post in support of a friend or acquaintance.

Doesn't mean you are correct, and it doesn't mean the detractors are correct. None of us knows the full story, and honestly, THAT's the problem. Elected officials need to avoid even the appearance of a conflict of interest. This situation may be entirely above board, but it doesn't APPEAR that way to some people.

I'm not sure who you are referring to but since I'm the only one in here with a J handle I want to make it very clear I am not going after anyone's google business accounts. I've already reached out to elite electric to assure him of such, any disagreements I have with folks over the facts of this situation are only contained to this site.

I didn't realize David was still around.

Never mind, I see that was 2 years ago

I voted for Bobby and I still want answers to all of this.

trouble said:

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I voted for Bobby and I still want answers to all of this.

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I live in College Station and want transparency for all our local public officials.

Elected officials should know they need to avoid any appearance of impropriety, it very much looks like impropriety in this case and instead of getting out in front of it and correcting the issue, he and his buddies have declined to speak and tried to hide from this. Even if he is perfectly innocent it should be fairly obvious why folks are now upset about this because the optics are HORRIBLE. The mayor owes an explanation to his constituents and his buddies coming on here and lying about the facts certainly isn't making this better

I hope they were able to get the plane off of the land before the rain came in. Gonna make things a soggy mess

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Elected officials should know they need to avoid any appearance of impropriety, it very much looks like impropriety in this case and instead of getting out in front of it and correcting the issue, he and his buddies have declined to speak and tried to hide from this. Even if he is perfectly innocent it should be fairly obvious why folks are now upset about this because the optics are HORRIBLE. The mayor owes an explanation to his constituents and his buddies coming on here and lying about the facts certainly isn't making this better

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Certainly has been a lot of water carrying on this thread... Lots of interconnected threads, reminds me of the good old days (that were good for some and not for others).

I thought about it but I already had lunch plans

Elite, I am sorry people are attacking your business. Is there a way to appeal them?

You came on here to defend your friend of 30+ years. That is what friends are supposed to do; be there for each other life gets a little tough. I will continue to be a customer of yours (hopefully nothing breaks anytime soon). This is because as an owner you conduct yourself with integrity and your people do quality work. As member of the community you both give and serve.

I have had family members and co-workers who I have known and loved for years do bad things or have things uncovered that no one knew about until something happened to expose the secrets. If you have known the Mayor for 30+ years then your relationship is deeper than political aspirations. People need to leave your business alone.

We truly do not know what goes on behind closed doors. You are supposed to defend your friends and family. Sometimes we are right, sometimes we are wrong, but we do not throw our true friends and family under the bus. I get why you are defending the mayor.

I appreciate your transparency. This is all we want from the Mayor and our elected officials. I do not believe that our public officials have the option of being silent and/or should be allowed to avoid topics related to their official jobs & positions.

I wish the Mayor conducted himself like you do……

For me and many others here, that is the sticking point. Silence is not an option when you are a public official. I believe the Mayor's (and others city council, BBC, etc.) lack of communication on this matter is the worst part of this entire thing.

Nowadays, he could even have chatGPT write a press release.

If there is nothing shady going on; then, this seems so easy to get out from under; if you are the Mayor or other city officials. The longer this goes on the more questions that will be raised……

Why would anyone get a $1 a year lease? Even if you can't build on it, its worth more than that. Why is the most recent former mayor, the Mayors buddy, appointed to just about every council and commission position you can appoint him to? Did the mayor before him (your campaign finance manager) a prominent realtor in the area broker any of the BBC deals. And on and on and on…..

This isn't personal because of the person. It is personal because of the position. The Mayor and city council must answer for they city they serve in, the Governor answers for the state, etc. It is part of the job. When they leave office, they no longer have to answer for the day to day business of the jurisdiction they serve.

trouble said:

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I voted for Bobby and I still want answers to all of this.

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This is me.

And also just find the thread/news highly entertaining.

It's been a long time since we've had several good and interesting threads

Koko Chingo said:

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Elite, I am sorry people are attacking your business. Is there a way to appeal them?

You came on here to defend your friend of 30+ years. That is what friends are supposed to do; be there for each other life gets a little tough. I will continue to be a customer of yours (hopefully nothing breaks anytime soon). This is because as an owner you conduct yourself with integrity and your people do quality work. As member of the community you both give and serve.

I have had family members and co-workers who I have known and loved for years do bad things or have things uncovered that no one knew about until something happened to expose the secrets. If you have known the Mayor for 30+ years then your relationship is deeper than political aspirations. People need to leave your business alone.

We truly do not know what goes on behind closed doors. You are supposed to defend your friends and family. Sometimes we are right, sometimes we are wrong, but we do not throw our true friends and family under the bus. I get why you are defending the mayor.

I appreciate your transparency. This is all we want from the Mayor and our elected officials. I do not believe that our public officials have the option of being silent and/or should be allowed to avoid topics related to their official jobs & positions.

I wish the Mayor conducted himself like you do……

For me and many others here, that is the sticking point. Silence is not an option when you are a public official. I believe the Mayor's (and others city council, BBC, etc.) lack of communication on this matter is the worst part of this entire thing.

Nowadays, he could even have chatGPT write a press release.

If there is nothing shady going on; then, this seems so easy to get out from under; if you are the Mayor or other city officials. The longer this goes on the more questions that will be raised……

Why would anyone get a $1 a year lease? Even if you can't build on it, its worth more than that. Why is the most recent former mayor, the Mayors buddy, appointed to just about every council and commission position you can appoint him to? Did the mayor before him (your campaign finance manager) a prominent realtor in the area broker any of the BBC deals. And on and on and on…..

This isn't personal because of the person. It is personal because of the position. The Mayor and city council must answer for they city they serve in, the Governor answers for the state, etc. It is part of the job. When they leave office, they no longer have to answer for the day to day business of the jurisdiction they serve.

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It's possible everybody's lawyers have advised them to stay silent. If there is a risk of lawsuits, the mayor's lawyers certainly don't want his statements out there on a public board.

This is probably the case now.


People putting their foots in their mouths.


We plebs can do as we please, within reason, as per board mods, but those people who actually have a dog in this fight shoulda kept their mouths shut from the get go.

OnlyForNow said:

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This is probably the case now.


People putting their foots in their mouths.


We plebs can do as we please, within reason, as per board mods, but those people who actually have a dog in this fight shoulda kept their mouths shut from the get go.

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I still can't believe the Rafter D guy posted in here.

techno-ag said:

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Koko Chingo said:

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Elite, I am sorry people are attacking your business. Is there a way to appeal them?

You came on here to defend your friend of 30+ years. That is what friends are supposed to do; be there for each other life gets a little tough. I will continue to be a customer of yours (hopefully nothing breaks anytime soon). This is because as an owner you conduct yourself with integrity and your people do quality work. As member of the community you both give and serve.

I have had family members and co-workers who I have known and loved for years do bad things or have things uncovered that no one knew about until something happened to expose the secrets. If you have known the Mayor for 30+ years then your relationship is deeper than political aspirations. People need to leave your business alone.

We truly do not know what goes on behind closed doors. You are supposed to defend your friends and family. Sometimes we are right, sometimes we are wrong, but we do not throw our true friends and family under the bus. I get why you are defending the mayor.

I appreciate your transparency. This is all we want from the Mayor and our elected officials. I do not believe that our public officials have the option of being silent and/or should be allowed to avoid topics related to their official jobs & positions.

I wish the Mayor conducted himself like you do……

For me and many others here, that is the sticking point. Silence is not an option when you are a public official. I believe the Mayor's (and others city council, BBC, etc.) lack of communication on this matter is the worst part of this entire thing.

Nowadays, he could even have chatGPT write a press release.

If there is nothing shady going on; then, this seems so easy to get out from under; if you are the Mayor or other city officials. The longer this goes on the more questions that will be raised……

Why would anyone get a $1 a year lease? Even if you can't build on it, its worth more than that. Why is the most recent former mayor, the Mayors buddy, appointed to just about every council and commission position you can appoint him to? Did the mayor before him (your campaign finance manager) a prominent realtor in the area broker any of the BBC deals. And on and on and on…..

This isn't personal because of the person. It is personal because of the position. The Mayor and city council must answer for they city they serve in, the Governor answers for the state, etc. It is part of the job. When they leave office, they no longer have to answer for the day to day business of the jurisdiction they serve.

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It's possible everybody's lawyers have advised them to stay silent. If there is a risk of lawsuits, the mayor's lawyers certainly don't want his statements out there on a public board.

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I totally understand not commenting on ongoing legal matters. That doesn't mean avoidance and complete silence.

It would go a long way for the Mayor to just simply say,

"Folks, there is a lot of talk going on in regards to a plane that crashed in a field over by the health science center last December. There are some ongoing legal actions taking place and I will sit down and talk with everyone when my attorney says I can do that. Right now we have to wait. I hope you understand, Thank You."


How hard would that be to do???

Additionally if is legal action being taken against the mayor, city, BBC, etc we should know about it because this relates to land owned by the BBC and someone publicly (YouTuber) revived a letter (released by the YouTuber, for the whole world to see) calling out the mayor.

And not a peep, not even "no comment"……

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I still can't believe the Rafter D guy posted in here.

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I found it quite entertaining. I also found it telling at how badly this situation is handled…

I found it funny that he started out by castigating us for spreading lies and that Aggies don't lie, cheat, or steal, only to almost immediately get exposed for lying himself

Hornbeck said:

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MyNameIsJeff said:

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I still can't believe the Rafter D guy posted in here.

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I found it quite entertaining. I also found it telling at how badly this situation is handled…

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As far as I can see no laws have been broken. Ethical concerns have been raised and not answered. However the Mayor, Dorn and others must be careful or the cover-up will be worse than the crime...

This is the lesson that Watergate taught us.

I live in CS and don't give a damn, but I'll take $1 cattle lease.

And if anyone can't see the ethical issues here, then you may biased by your personal contacts with the mayor

BQ_90 said:

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I live in CS and don't give a damn, but I'll take $1 cattle lease.

And if anyone can't see the ethical issues here, then you may biased by your personal contacts with the mayor

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This, about the ethical issues. The press release saying this all happened before he was the mayor is complete smoke screen as well. Everyone that has lived around here for a bit knows that Gutierrez has been in city politics for a long while, and that the fact that he was actually on the board is conveniently left out… causing the super-sleuths on TexAgs to expose it to the light.