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In reply to techno-ag • 2:24p, 3/15/23
techno-ag said:
Not white knighting Dorn but I don't think he's a regular on this board. I think he meant no, it's not an iron-clad 10 year lease. He mentioned the owner could break the lease at any time, and that's what he was referring to.

I know we get into particulars and "gotcha" statements a lot on here, but I'm not sure this was an outright deliberate attempt at deception.
Just another half-truth...Enough already.

The truth is like a dripping faucet, if it is slow enough, he thinks we will ignore it.
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In reply to techno-ag • 2:24p, 3/15/23
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I didn't ask how ironclad it was. I asked if it was really $1/year for 10 years and he said no.

That's a lie.
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In reply to techno-ag • 2:24p, 3/15/23
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It starts to get a little frustrating when everytime we have caught someone in a half truth, lie, or some other outright deception in this thread we have folks nitpicking every word to then be like " WELL HE ACTUALLY COULD HAVE MEANT THIS SO REALLY HE ISNT LYING." Like come on it's very obvious what he meant and he was immediately called on it and didn't respond, he's a big boy and if he miss spoke he can defend himself.

Again the simplest answer is usually the correct one, he was trying to mislead the folks in here who are rightfully up in arms about this situation.
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In reply to trouble • 2:25p, 3/15/23
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Do you think he posted dated the $10 check for the lease? I mean, that's mighty pricey
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In reply to Charpie • 2:26p, 3/15/23
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I know I would have to call my bank to make sure they didn't flag such a large transaction
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In reply to Charpie • 2:26p, 3/15/23
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I was actually wondering if he paid for it all at once or if he sends them a dollar every year.
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In reply to Jsimonds58 • 2:26p, 3/15/23
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In reply to trouble • 2:27p, 3/15/23
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"for tax and audit purposes, we wrote 10 $1 checks, all post dated." /hahawhattheyprobablydid
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2:30p, 3/15/23
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Also, he's been here since 2007, he should know TexAgs knows stuff.
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In reply to trouble • 2:30p, 3/15/23
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trouble said:
I didn't ask how ironclad it was. I asked if it was really $1/year for 10 years and he said no.

That's a lie.


Fair enough. He said:

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It is not a 10 year lease. The lease can be terminated with 30 days notice at any time so the property can be sold or developed so it is not a guaranteed lease.


What he should have said is

"It is not a 10 year guaranteed lease. The lease can be terminated with 30 days notice at any time so the property can be sold or developed so it is not a guaranteed lease."

That would have been more accurate.

Personally I don't think omitting the first instance of "guaranteed" amounts to a big deliberate lie, I think it was a simple mistake, and he included it in the second statement.

We'll have to agree to disagree.
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In reply to Charpie • 2:30p, 3/15/23
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It's a recurring debit to his PayPal
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In reply to techno-ag • 2:31p, 3/15/23
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Ummm, I asked it the way I did because I knew what the terms were.
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In reply to Jsimonds58 • 2:34p, 3/15/23
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Jsimonds58 said:
Man that's crazy, dude got on here and lied about basically every part of his post. Didn't we just get castigated about how Aggies don't lie cheat or steal?


* does not apply to old Ags in Brazos County. You also get a pass as a business owner dealing with students. Then decept away…
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2:35p, 3/15/23
Every lease I have been involved with has had something about how parties can terminate the lease. In this case it happens to be 30 days notice. It is a ten year lease.
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In reply to techno-ag • 2:37p, 3/15/23
techno-ag said:
trouble said:
I didn't ask how ironclad it was. I asked if it was really $1/year for 10 years and he said no.

That's a lie.


Fair enough. He said:

Quote:
It is not a 10 year lease. The lease can be terminated with 30 days notice at any time so the property can be sold or developed so it is not a guaranteed lease.


What he should have said is

"It is not a 10 year guaranteed lease. The lease can be terminated with 30 days notice at any time so the property can be sold or developed so it is not a guaranteed lease."

That would have been more accurate.

Personally I don't think omitting the first instance of "guaranteed" amounts to a big deliberate lie, I think it was a simple mistake, and he included it in the second statement.

We'll have to agree to disagree.
So would you agree that he stated a half-truth?
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In reply to doubledog • 2:38p, 3/15/23
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Then he ain't been paying attention. It's the off season, we need things to keep us occupied.
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In reply to doubledog • 2:44p, 3/15/23
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doubledog said:
techno-ag said:
trouble said:
I didn't ask how ironclad it was. I asked if it was really $1/year for 10 years and he said no.

That's a lie.


Fair enough. He said:

Quote:
It is not a 10 year lease. The lease can be terminated with 30 days notice at any time so the property can be sold or developed so it is not a guaranteed lease.


What he should have said is

"It is not a 10 year guaranteed lease. The lease can be terminated with 30 days notice at any time so the property can be sold or developed so it is not a guaranteed lease."

That would have been more accurate.

Personally I don't think omitting the first instance of "guaranteed" amounts to a big deliberate lie, I think it was a simple mistake, and he included it in the second statement.

We'll have to agree to disagree.
So would you agree that he stated a half-truth?
Not sure I'd say that, I think he's unused to this board's "exact statement" requirements. In f2f conversation I would have understood exactly what he meant.
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In reply to Hornbeck • 2:44p, 3/15/23
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Ah the fine print, I always manage to miss that
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2:47p, 3/15/23
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Another question on the dollar lease. When I bought my last house, the public record had some modest amount like $10, IIRC. This was to obfuscate the exact amount in public records. I wonder if something similar happened here. That would explain the silence around the lease amount.

Not saying for sure, but it would explain the reticence.
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2:49p, 3/15/23
Wow, this board hasn't seen this much action since the last time some restaurant wanted to charge for water!
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In reply to techno-ag • 2:49p, 3/15/23
techno-ag said:
trouble said:
I didn't ask how ironclad it was. I asked if it was really $1/year for 10 years and he said no.

That's a lie.


Fair enough. He said:

Quote:
It is not a 10 year lease. The lease can be terminated with 30 days notice at any time so the property can be sold or developed so it is not a guaranteed lease.


What he should have said is

"It is not a 10 year guaranteed lease. The lease can be terminated with 30 days notice at any time so the property can be sold or developed so it is not a guaranteed lease."

Bill Clinton could have used you, when confronted over his "testimony"...
"It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is. If the- if he-if 'is' means is and never has been, that is not-that is one thing...."

The lease is guaranteed for 10 years, only subject to the property being sold. No sale, 10 years, written in the lease agreement. Parse it any way you desire, when asked if it was a 10 year lease, the answer was "no".
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In reply to Mathguy64 • 2:51p, 3/15/23
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Mathguy64 said:
I'm shocked at how many people come onto an internet thread to defend their honor (or their side of a story) without first talking to their lawyer. Because their lawyer would tell them in no uncertain terms to stay away from the keyboard.
Or the microphone.
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In reply to techno-ag • 2:56p, 3/15/23
techno-ag said:
Another question on the dollar lease. When I bought my last house, the public record had some modest amount like $10, IIRC. This was to obfuscate the exact amount in public records. I wonder if something similar happened here. That would explain the silence around the lease amount.

Not saying for sure, but it would explain the reticence.
You...have..got...to...be ...kidding.....
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In reply to GSS • 2:57p, 3/15/23
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He's turning himself into a pretzel over someone else's lies
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In reply to GSS • 2:58p, 3/15/23
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He's been trying to wiggle into any possible way to defend these jokers all day
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In reply to Flatlander • 3:05p, 3/15/23
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Flatlander said:
Wow, this board hasn't seen this much action since the last time some restaurant wanted to charge for water!
or we were discussing D&D Movers
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In reply to trouble • 3:07p, 3/15/23
trouble said:
He's turning himself into a pretzel over someone else's lies


This isn't new.
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In reply to techno-ag • 3:07p, 3/15/23
techno-ag said:
doubledog said:
techno-ag said:
trouble said:
I didn't ask how ironclad it was. I asked if it was really $1/year for 10 years and he said no.

That's a lie.


Fair enough. He said:

Quote:
It is not a 10 year lease. The lease can be terminated with 30 days notice at any time so the property can be sold or developed so it is not a guaranteed lease.


What he should have said is

"It is not a 10 year guaranteed lease. The lease can be terminated with 30 days notice at any time so the property can be sold or developed so it is not a guaranteed lease."

That would have been more accurate.

Personally I don't think omitting the first instance of "guaranteed" amounts to a big deliberate lie, I think it was a simple mistake, and he included it in the second statement.

We'll have to agree to disagree.
So would you agree that he stated a half-truth?
Not sure I'd say that, I think he's unused to this board's "exact statement" requirements. In f2f conversation I would have understood exactly what he meant.
Really... I find that statement a half-truth..
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3:07p, 3/15/23
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Maybe we need a BBC thread too. But seriously, how does the BBC work? Use tax payer money to buy land and hold for the "appropriate" buyer/use? Where is there information regarding this? I did briefly look, but my google fu is off today.
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In reply to WheelinAg • 3:09p, 3/15/23
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Most entities like the BBC are used to get grant money and and drum up business for the cities that they serve.
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In reply to Charpie • 3:09p, 3/15/23
Charpie said:


And this smells awful because of "$1," lease. If they were offering fair market value for the leased land, no one would care. The fact that this was all exposed because of a plane crash is hilarious.


Now all we need is to find out that the cowboys in the field are connected to the Committee for the Re-Location of the Mayor's Cattle.

Any aspiring journalists here??
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3:19p, 3/15/23
He specifically stated that it was NOT a 10-year lease.

That was a lie.
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In reply to wasntme • 3:21p, 3/15/23
wasntme said:
He specifically stated that it was NOT a 10-year lease.

That was a lie.


Indubitably
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In reply to wasntme • 3:21p, 3/15/23
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wasntme said:
He specifically stated that it was NOT a 10-year lease.

That was a lie.
Yes. Immediately followed by saying it wasn't a guaranteed lease, with explanation concerning the immediate termination clause.
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3:27p, 3/15/23
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How is the BBC making payments on a $12.8 million dollar loan with only $1 income?
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