I think my beef with America Chavez is that she was more or less a prop in this movie than she was a character. They tried to squeeze in some character, but it didn't land for me.
That is what is confusing. Eros is his brother in the comics and announced as his brother in the post credit scenes as well as an Eternal. Many of the Easter egg shows seem to assume that means Thanos is an Eternal but as you wrote, he could be a Titan and maybe Eros was adopted or somehow part of his family in the past. Not sure. I want Thanos not to be a robot. Again, why I did not want the Eternals to be specifically a robot but instead a biological entity created by the Celestials as in the comics. Not really sure why the MCU even felt compelled to go the robot direction in the first place. It was established in the movie that Celestials could create life. So why make a robot when they could just create a living being and further, how unalive are these "robots"? Here is an example where the comic origin story was actually simpler to understand and go with imo....rhutton125 said:
In the comics he's a deviant, which are offshoots I think of Eternals. In the MCU, he's just a Titan - no affiliation with Eternals until that Starfox postcredits.
I saw an interview with Chloe Zhao and it sounds like - though this is certainly subject to change - in her mind, Eros was maybe an Eternal who was on Titan and knew Thanos. And it sounds like ultimately he bailed and decided to sail the starways and presumably bang lots of alien chicks.
Now that I say that, he'd actually fit pretty well in Thor 4.
MASAXET said:
So I watched Eternals on a plane
the other thing i'd add is that i don't think we can discount the loss of chadwick boseman. he was obviously going to be one of the most significant pieces of phase 4. honestly, i just really wish they would recast T'Challa.rhutton125 said:
You're entitled to your opinion (obviously) but I do think you might be jumping the gun just a little bit. If the originals were perfectly written then they wouldn't have had to soft reboot Thor in phase 3. Hawkeye had one character-driven appearance (so to speak) in the first 20 films. Etc.
I think the thing phases 1-3 have over phase 4 is 1) more iconic characters, 2) novelty of crossing over for the first time, and 3) a clearer path of what's coming ahead. There's no question that Captain America means more to more people after 7 films than America Chavez after 15 minutes of non-action screen time. And it means more to see Iron Man meet Spider-Man than it does for Moon Knight to meet Black Knight someday, no question.
But relative to the OG 6, we've barely gotten to know those other characters yet. Someone compiled a screen time list around the time of Shang-Chi:
https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/q8sdcf/top_characters_by_screen_time/
Iron Man still has 3.5x Vision even after Vision had a TV series, for example. Captain Marvel has had less screen time than Sylvie. Etc.
It will take some time but I think a lot of these newbies and 2nd-generation characters can eventually be as beloved as some of the OG6.
And for what it's worth, Thor 4 will in no way be a swan song for Thor. So at least there's that!
Synthetic beings I think was the term. But it is very confusing.MASAXET said:
So I watched Eternals on a plane and maybe didn't pay enough attention, but I didn't get the sense they were actually robots? I get that the Celestials created them, but not that they are robots. Maybe we are talking distinctions without a difference here and I very likely am the one confused/missing something
I eyerolled at the lesbians, but only because it was so typically Disney in execution. "Look at us! We stand in support of LGBTQ! See, we included a girl wearing the smallest possible rainbow flag pin and her gay moms were in the movie for 17 seconds!"AgfromHOU said:
I'm confused why the lesbian moms bothered that poster so much. They were mentioned twice and showed up for 10 seconds just to give America Chavez her motivation. Also in her home universe, it may all be women with the ability to reproduce with other women for all we know. Maybe I'm not confused, but it was just a stupid nitpick.
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2) novelty of crossing over for the first time
Red Five said:I eyerolled at the lesbians, but only because it was so typically Disney in execution. "Look at us! We stand in support of LGBTQ! See, we included a girl wearing the smallest possible rainbow flag pin and her gay moms were in the movie for 17 seconds!"AgfromHOU said:
I'm confused why the lesbian moms bothered that poster so much. They were mentioned twice and showed up for 10 seconds just to give America Chavez her motivation. Also in her home universe, it may all be women with the ability to reproduce with other women for all we know. Maybe I'm not confused, but it was just a stupid nitpick.
That's Disney's problem, not mine.Brian Earl Spilner said:Red Five said:I eyerolled at the lesbians, but only because it was so typically Disney in execution. "Look at us! We stand in support of LGBTQ! See, we included a girl wearing the smallest possible rainbow flag pin and her gay moms were in the movie for 17 seconds!"AgfromHOU said:
I'm confused why the lesbian moms bothered that poster so much. They were mentioned twice and showed up for 10 seconds just to give America Chavez her motivation. Also in her home universe, it may all be women with the ability to reproduce with other women for all we know. Maybe I'm not confused, but it was just a stupid nitpick.
And yet, if they focused more on her moms, you would complain that they're forcing an agenda down your throat.
It's a no-win situation.
Pretty sure that America Chavez has two moms in the source material (Amalia and Elena). Your anger can be redirected towards Marvel Comics.Red Five said:I eyerolled at the lesbians, but only because it was so typically Disney in execution. "Look at us! We stand in support of LGBTQ! See, we included a girl wearing the smallest possible rainbow flag pin and her gay moms were in the movie for 17 seconds!"AgfromHOU said:
I'm confused why the lesbian moms bothered that poster so much. They were mentioned twice and showed up for 10 seconds just to give America Chavez her motivation. Also in her home universe, it may all be women with the ability to reproduce with other women for all we know. Maybe I'm not confused, but it was just a stupid nitpick.
You're right. I should have said, "please redirect your eye rolling at Marvel Comics."Red Five said:
I dont have any anger at all. I loved the movie and thought America was charming.
According to the internet, Disney bought marvel in 2009 and Chavez first appeared in 2011. So, eye rolls back at Disney.Andyzipp said:Pretty sure that America Chavez has two moms in the source material (Amalia and Elena). Your anger can be redirected towards Marvel Comics.Red Five said:I eyerolled at the lesbians, but only because it was so typically Disney in execution. "Look at us! We stand in support of LGBTQ! See, we included a girl wearing the smallest possible rainbow flag pin and her gay moms were in the movie for 17 seconds!"AgfromHOU said:
I'm confused why the lesbian moms bothered that poster so much. They were mentioned twice and showed up for 10 seconds just to give America Chavez her motivation. Also in her home universe, it may all be women with the ability to reproduce with other women for all we know. Maybe I'm not confused, but it was just a stupid nitpick.
Brian Earl Spilner said:Red Five said:I eyerolled at the lesbians, but only because it was so typically Disney in execution. "Look at us! We stand in support of LGBTQ! See, we included a girl wearing the smallest possible rainbow flag pin and her gay moms were in the movie for 17 seconds!"AgfromHOU said:
I'm confused why the lesbian moms bothered that poster so much. They were mentioned twice and showed up for 10 seconds just to give America Chavez her motivation. Also in her home universe, it may all be women with the ability to reproduce with other women for all we know. Maybe I'm not confused, but it was just a stupid nitpick.
And yet, if they focused more on her moms, you would complain that they're forcing an agenda down your throat.
It's a no-win situation.