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great episode...lest there be any doubt as to whether these are good people, you had logan use his grandson as a food tester and caroline tell her own daughter she should've had a dog instead.

put me in the "hope ken doesn't die" camp. knowing what we know now, i hope ken has a near death experience and "wakes up". remember that ken made some comment about GoJo buying Waystar. well, now that GoJo is roughly the same size, what if ken joins up with Mattson and then uses his relationship with Naomi to set up GoJo buying Pierce?

that would give GoJo the content it needs and give Pierce the exposure for its news to rival Waystar. not to mention ken knows how badly logan has always wanted Pierce, so there's a little "f you" on top

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I really, really like this idea.

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-I like this and a few episodes ago someone mentioned that negotiating to buy Pierce was randomly back as an option - just enough mention to keep it relevant. Also Maxim and Naomi have hung around and I think Nan was name dropped at some point.

-Jeremy Strong would likely have asked the director to submerge him in water to the point of passing out like the scene in Hot Rod to help simulate drowning death experience and that nugget would have been too good for the New Yorker writer to pass up

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TCTTS said:

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jackie childs said:

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great episode...lest there be any doubt as to whether these are good people, you had logan use his grandson as a food tester and caroline tell her own daughter she should've had a dog instead.

put me in the "hope ken doesn't die" camp. knowing what we know now, i hope ken has a near death experience and "wakes up". remember that ken made some comment about GoJo buying Waystar. well, now that GoJo is roughly the same size, what if ken joins up with Mattson and then uses his relationship with Naomi to set up GoJo buying Pierce?

that would give GoJo the content it needs and give Pierce the exposure for its news to rival Waystar. not to mention ken knows how badly logan has always wanted Pierce, so there's a little "f you" on top

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I really, really like this idea.

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-I like this and a few episodes ago someone mentioned that negotiating to buy Pierce was randomly back as an option - just enough mention to keep it relevant. Also Maxim and Naomi have hung around and I think Nan was name dropped at some point.

-Jeremy Strong would likely have asked the director to submerge him in water to the point of passing out like the scene in Hot Rod to help simulate drowning death experience and that nugget would have been too good for the New Yorker writer to pass up

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Exactly. Everyone was surprised that Naomi was not only still with Ken at the end of the birthday episode, but was very nurturing toward him. Now, if this comes to pass, there's a plot reason for that as well. And yeah, both the Pierce and Nan callbacks totally felt like reminders for something to come.

Now I'm really in on this. Mentioning the Pierces was not just a throwaway line. I do think they'll be involved somehow.

After letting a day go by I'm thinking Ken goes in to the hospital and in a coma, or ICU, or being observed in the hospital.

In next week preview, you see Logan sitting next to Ken's son. I don't think Ken would allow Logan to be with his son without him being there. Then Matsson talks to Logan about being hurt unless he was taking about Logan's business.

Gerri is too smart to see what Shiv is doing after their talk and I think Gerri will have something for cover.

Somebody with more time and ability than me needs to cut the last scene of that episode with the Bojack theme song playing so I can watch that and laugh at it

I didn't want Kendall to die until he said the phrase "nut nut" in back-to-back episodes.

I may be dumb, but noticed last night that Will Ferrell and Adam McKay are EPs.

What do they do on the show? Maybe a question for TCTTS.

And aren't they broken up?

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jackie childs said:

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great episode...lest there be any doubt as to whether these are good people, you had logan use his grandson as a food tester and caroline tell her own daughter she should've had a dog instead.

put me in the "hope ken doesn't die" camp. knowing what we know now, i hope ken has a near death experience and "wakes up". remember that ken made some comment about GoJo buying Waystar. well, now that GoJo is roughly the same size, what if ken joins up with Mattson and then uses his relationship with Naomi to set up GoJo buying Pierce?

that would give GoJo the content it needs and give Pierce the exposure for its news to rival Waystar. not to mention ken knows how badly logan has always wanted Pierce, so there's a little "f you" on top

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I really, really like this idea.

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yeah, it's fun to speculate about things like this. especially on a show like succession where there's probably a 0.1% chance any of this happens, but i know and trust that whatever direction they go will almost certainly be incredible and well done.

Yeah sounds like how JJ Abrams continued getting credit throughout Lost.

Exactly.

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This is so good, and Jeremy Strong really does come across as somewhat insufferable...

This profile of Succession's Jeremy Strong is fascinating partly because it's clear the writer fucking hates him: https://t.co/2iyISt1TUR

— Jason Pargin, author of John Dies at the End, etc (@JohnDiesattheEn) December 6, 2021

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Agreed, just finished it and my goodness he seems like a lot. He seems like the character Kendall. The whole Al Pacino thing while at drama school sounded like a Kendall Succession storyline. Kinda interesting the Brian Cox and Caulkin quotes, doesn't seem like the thing you would say about a guy you currently work with, not that they were that bad, but still.

Can someone remind me why Greg's grandpa is loaded? Did Logan take their dad's family deli and grow it into Waystar?

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Can someone remind me why Greg's grandpa is loaded? Did Logan take their dad's family deli and grow it into Waystar?

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i don't know that we know for sure, but i don't believe it had anything to do with their dad. i seem to remember them talking about being brought up poor, which leads me to believe logan built waystar as opposed to inheriting it.

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Can someone remind me why Greg's grandpa is loaded? Did Logan take their dad's family deli and grow it into Waystar?

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i don't know that we know for sure, but i don't believe it had anything to do with their dad. i seem to remember them talking about being brought up poor, which leads me to believe logan built waystar as opposed to inheriting it.

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I always assumed the uncle was an early investor in Waystar but I can't remember why I think that.

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Can someone remind me why Greg's grandpa is loaded? Did Logan take their dad's family deli and grow it into Waystar?

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i don't know that we know for sure, but i don't believe it had anything to do with their dad. i seem to remember them talking about being brought up poor, which leads me to believe logan built waystar as opposed to inheriting it.

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I always assumed the uncle was an early investor in Waystar but I can't remember why I think that.

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i think that's a very reasonable assumption. we know they grew up together and were sent to live with their uncle in canada, so i think it's likely that ewan was part of Waystar early on. the fact he's still on the board further supports that.

He discusses the Jeremy Strong New Yorker profile at 7:45.

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Can someone remind me why Greg's grandpa is loaded? Did Logan take their dad's family deli and grow it into Waystar?

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You mean gramps?

Logan has made comments to him that he had the same opportunities he [Logan] did but chose to walk away.

So early investor and/or they created/purchased it together.

Heading into the weekend, cast your vote/prediction...

A) Kendall is dead, except the rest of the family doesn't find out until during/after the wedding (hence why no one seems affected by his death in the preview for the finale).

B) Kendall isn't dead yet, but dies in the finale.

C) Kendall isn't dead yet, but commits suicide in the finale. Though, not before publicly coming clean about his role in the death of the waiter in the season one finale, taking Logan down with him as one last act of rebellion/f-you to the old man.

D) Kendall doesn't die in the finale, but publicly comes clean about his role in the death of the waiter, taking Logan down with him. Kendall then goes to jail and is effectively written off the show/only makes limited appearances from here on out.

E) Kendall plays a part in orchestrating a last-second Gojo/Pierce merger, a company in which he will be involved in some official capacity going forward (continuing as the effective lead of the show), thereby severely wounding Waystar.

F) None of the above. No one here is as smart as the writers, so why even try?

Gun to my head, I think I'm going with option D. Honestly, though, I love that a legitimate argument can be made for each and every option, and not a single one would surprise me.

Either way, I can't remember the last time a finale was set up in such a brilliant way, with so much speculation and so much hanging in the balance.

Cannot wait.

E

Something close to D. Why else is the waiter coming up now? I think E would be the easy way to go, however.

My first choice would be E, but I suspect it will be F.

i think the waiter comes up, but i could see it coming to light as kendall simply reminding logan that since logan covered it up, he cannot continue to use it as leverage over ken.