claym711 said:

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I'm in because I was a big Lost and Leftovers fan but the boring stereotypes of racial violence and that as the backdrop of the show is cheap and boring and a total let down.

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Hollywood thinks there is a market for that stuff...

Only way to send em a message is to not watch.

I didn't realize this had started. I plan to watch it since I've read the graphic novel and seen the movie.

But I have to admit I groaned hard when I heard an interview this week with someone from the show stating that they are using this show to address racial issues.

Jesus Christ. Do we have to address race in everything now?

YouBet said:

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I didn't realize this had started. I plan to watch it since I've read the graphic novel and seen the movie.

But I have to admit I groaned hard when I heard an interview this week with someone from the show stating that they are using this show to address racial issues.

Jesus Christ. Do we have to address race in everything now?

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I mean, if you don't like it then don't watch.

It's definitely a central issue of the show, but it's also a very relevant issue for a lot of people right now and it's really not addressed that much in media and film relative to the whole.

fig96 said:

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YouBet said:

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I didn't realize this had started. I plan to watch it since I've read the graphic novel and seen the movie.

But I have to admit I groaned hard when I heard an interview this week with someone from the show stating that they are using this show to address racial issues.

Jesus Christ. Do we have to address race in everything now?

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I mean, if you don't like it then don't watch.

It's definitely a central issue of the show, but it's also a very relevant issue for a lot of people right now and it's really not addressed that much in media and film relative to the whole.

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It's only relevant because it's a manufactured crisis, but let's not derail to politics because everyone will get mad.

fig96 said:

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YouBet said:

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I didn't realize this had started. I plan to watch it since I've read the graphic novel and seen the movie.

But I have to admit I groaned hard when I heard an interview this week with someone from the show stating that they are using this show to address racial issues.

Jesus Christ. Do we have to address race in everything now?

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I mean, if you don't like it then don't watch.

It's definitely a central issue of the show, but it's also a very relevant issue for a lot of people right now and it's really not addressed that much in media and film relative to the whole.

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Surely you're being sarcastic ??

I have little hope that his thread is going to be tenable by season's end. Or for even another couple of episodes. You can already feel it simmering. Some of these people would rather b*tch and moan than simply not watch or post.

This was one of the ****tiest things I've seen in my life. Just awful.


Why can't woke writers create a new franchise instead of hijacking good ones and ass ****ing them?


B/c that would require having talent.


Stupid.
Stupid.
Stupid.

You're just hitting all the threads at once with your hate-filled diatribes, aren't you?

fig96 said:

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BenFiasco14 said:

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fig96 said:

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YouBet said:

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I didn't realize this had started. I plan to watch it since I've read the graphic novel and seen the movie.

But I have to admit I groaned hard when I heard an interview this week with someone from the show stating that they are using this show to address racial issues.

Jesus Christ. Do we have to address race in everything now?

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I mean, if you don't like it then don't watch.

It's definitely a central issue of the show, but it's also a very relevant issue for a lot of people right now and it's really not addressed that much in media and film relative to the whole.

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Surely you're being sarcastic ??

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Count how many shows there are, then count how many address racial issues. I'm comfortable saying that's a pretty small percentage. People just notice when they do.

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I suppose that would depend on how you define "racial issues". If by that you mean blatant "look at these terrible White people in a white supremacist group" then perhaps not. However I'd argue the vast majority of shows on today touch on not just racial issues but all sorts of things political, either blatant or subtlety. Watchmen is just wielding the white supremacy boogeyman as an obnoxiously large club.

That being said I'm still enjoying the show and I recently picked up the graphic novel to read. I'm only a few chapters in, though, and have yet to come across any themes about race and white supremacy. I've read on Reddit it was in the comic but I haven't seen it yet (the comic is great so far btw)

It's just frustrating because "white supremacy" is the current boogeyman of the day and this show has kinda taken it to an absurd extreme- and unless it's a front for something more to come down the line, it's clearly a commentary on what leftists perceive as a contemporary issue which is laughably false.

I mean, the show exists in a world where Robert Redford has been president for almost 20 years and Vietnam is a US state...taking things to an absurd extreme is sort of the theme.

Personally, I don't have any issue with it. I'd think (hope) that an extremist white supremacist group as the villain would be something we could pretty universally unite against, and whether you like it or not it's a present day topic because we've seen a rise in that kind of activity recently.

Not looking to debate that (particularly in this thread) so if you disagree, well, to each their own.

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An extremist White Supremacist group is often the bad guy in movies, tv shows, an even video games. Its getting old....

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... so are witches, ghosts, Nazis, gang bangers, evil scientists, and misguided villains with super powers, yet I don't see you or anyone else here complaining about those "old" stereotypes. I wonder why?

I ask you guys again, can we PLEASE just wait and see where this season goes before doing the same old TexAgs bullsh*t of getting angry at something, long before we have the complete story, because you're convinced it's some woke, SJW-peddling, race-baiting, liberal propaganda? Again, considering the source material, in which the entire master plan was to pull a fast one over on all of humanity - i.e. to make something seem like it was one thing when it really wasn't - maybe we give this effort the benefit of the doubt? Maybe, because Lindelof is a pretty smart dude, and race has never been a big thematic element in his past work, we give him the benefit of the doubt? Perhaps he has a reason behind this more than just, "White people suck, black people are good and deserve money"?

What if, for some unknown reason, Ozymandias is secretly trying to start a race war in Tulsa? And The Seventh Cavalry is a group he's either invited, hired, or riled up? Or what if Dr. Manhattan is using them to make some kind of point about human nature? What if Don Johnson formed them out of some greater strategic move? Point is, there are so many possibilities and so many reasons to think this isn't just race-baiting nonsense.

Again, if by the end of the season Lindelof really did hijack the Watchmen brand to use as his own, personal, woke, SJW-peddling, race-baiting, liberal propaganda machine, I'll be as disappointed as anyone else. But you guys have to realize that we go through this same song and dance over and over and over again, where forum 16 lurkers, along with others, start pouncing the second something whiffs of wokeness, when it more often than not ends up being a VAST over-exageration, or "nothing burger," as some of you like to call it.

I just can't handle seven more weeks of this. There are those of us who would like to enjoy, discuss, and examine this show without the same people and sentiments popping up week after week to tell us how disapproving of the race element they are. We get it. Your voices have been heard. I'm not saying, "Don't critique the show." I'm simply asking if we can please save the endless complaining about wokeness until the end of the season? That's all. In the meantime, if it's not your thing, the answer is simple: don't watch.

An extremist White Supremacist group is often the bad guy in movies, tv shows, an even video games. Its getting old....

Oh for sure, that's why I added my caveat. And hell even if it does wind up being something as simple as evil White supremacists I'll probably still watch for the world building alone.

And it doesn't make me angry really, just more of a sigh and an eye roll. But like I said, I do agree (and hope) there's more to it than that

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it's a present day topic because we've seen a rise in that kind of activity recently.

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Well, then yep, I guess we will have to respectfully disagree

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I mean, the show exists in a world where Robert Redford has been president for almost 20 years and Vietnam is a US state...taking things to an absurd extreme is sort of the theme.

Personally, I don't have any issue with it. I'd think (hope) that an extremist white supremacist group as the villain would be something we could pretty universally unite against

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Agreed

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and whether you like it or not it's a present day topic because we've seen a rise in that kind of activity recently.

Not looking to debate that (particularly in this thread) so if you disagree, well, to each their own.

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Its a manufactured political crisis and fake news so you are safe here and no need to debate.

I will check out the pilot this week.

White supremacists are bad guys.

The original comic was very left wing.

But, there were no good guys. The liberal genius hero murdered 3 million people to try and bring world peace. The libertarian hero was a psycho who was right, but still lost. The conservative hero was a war criminal who gets murdered in the first 10 pages. The only hero who actually has super powers is an indifferent god who decides he doesn't really care about human life or death. Also the whole story was weird as hell.

Setting the follow up in a racially divided Tulsa Oklahoma was a really odd choice, but through 2 episodes I think they've absolutely nailed the mood and feel of the original.

As someone who is very unfamiliar with the original material and only watched the movie once, I'll offer this opinion...

Superficially, I agree that the White supremacy angle is tiresome as I think it just is a continuation of the anti Trump/anti white male agenda that is all over social and traditional media.

However, so far it's just been a "roll my eyes and move on" issue, for me. I'm really interested in this show and think there is probably a deeper plot. I will continue watching no matter what, at this point.

One last thing to add is that I think it's ok to vent/post about it as long as it's not the same post from the same posters over and over. The lengthy rebuttals to criticize those posts are equally pointless and detract from show discussion.

As does my post...so now I'll move on

Well one thing is for sure. These episodes are too short and having to wait a week SUCKS!

Ok, guess that was 2 things

What a weird, wild show. Definitely my favorite episode yet.

A few thoughts...

- Just when I was starting to think that maybe that wasn't Veidt, and that perhaps we actually were in the past, we finally got confirmation that Irons is, in fact, Veidt. And his entire predicament has me so incredibly curious. It seems he's trying to get to Mars, yes?

- Jean Smart is a FANTASTIC addition to the cast. Such a welcomed presence and character type. This show absolutely needed her quips and perspective. Took it to a whole other level for me.

- Speaking of Smart, notice how she was used to make the COPS out to be the ridiculous ones? Even mocking their white racial profiling and methods. You can already see the perspective starting to change. And I liked that bit at the beginning of her superior explaining how cops and masked vigilantes are natural enemies. Helped explain why we're focusing on cops like we are.

- More blue dong, just not in a way I was EVER expecting. Ha, wow.

Really looking forward to the recap videos are articles for this episode...