SchizoAg said:

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If non-conference SoS is not weighted separately, then why is it shown as a column in the rankings table? They don't show conference SoS, just non-conference SoS and overall SoS.

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Non-conference SoS only takes into account non-conference. It's just a separate ranking.

But within the formula for the overall RPI ranking, non-con games aren't weighted anymore than conference games


BTW, when they introduced the home/away adjustment, the NCAA released a comparison chart so you could see how it changed the RPI: https://www.ncaa.com/content/baseball-rpi-comparison

For most, certainly not all, it doesn't make a huge difference in your rating at the end of the day. Have to remember that you're still collecting a loss when you lose on the road.

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But this applies across the whole season. There's no differentiation between conference and non-conference in the RPI.

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I'm pretty sure that's not correct. They were concerned about giving bonus points to the northern teams that have to travel to start the season. No reason to give a road bonus for conference play.

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There is a reason…it is harder to win on the road whether or not you're playing a conference game or a non-conference game.

Baseball isn't the only sport that takes/took into account home/away…basketball's RPI actually weighed that MORE than baseball (1.4/0.6 vs 1.3/0.7) and there isn't a weather problem in basketball.

It still "awards" teams who voluntarily play on the road and yeah, that certainly was a motivation to changing the RPI

TempleAg97 said:

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Massive jump after tonight's win. If we split the next two, we can start legitimately talking about hosting!

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honestly, a national seed isn't out of play yet.

All the talk about home vs away and voila, we win at home against #19 and move up 12 spots (a couple of days ago we moved up 1 for beating #2). Meanwhile UA drops like a stone for losing to #36 on the road.

Do we know why Walter Nolan and the official site are different? I know NCAA isn't updated yet but seems they were pretty off beforehand?

Back down to 29

Guess he's not an engineering major?

Sounds good to me!

STCLaggie21 said:

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Florida is 6-12 in sec play and they're 14th RPI?

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Their 6 series have been 6 of the best teams in the sec. Bama, lsu, Vandy, Georgia, Arky, Tennessee.

Aggies are 7-5 vs common opponents (@Bama 1-2, @LSU 2-1, @Georgia 2-1, Arkansas 2-1) with a road trip to Vandy next weekend.

I'm not saying Florida is actually better than us or even a top 25 team for the record, just why that conference record might not be the RPI sink it looks like it should be.

Auburn plays TN next weekend. Hopefully they get swept. Georgia travels to LSU also so hopefully the Dawgs can win that series.

JDay said:

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Aggies are 7-5 vs common opponents (@Bama 1-2, @LSU 2-1, @Georgia 2-1, Arkansas 2-1) with a road trip to Vandy next weekend.

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Florida played a much more difficult non-conference schedule than A&M and played pretty well in it.

Things will shake out. Their RPI has fallen from 7 just a couple of weeks ago.


That said, they may start collecting a lot of wins. The rest of their schedule is a relative cakewalk.

Wasn't trying to bash Florida. Just amazing that the Aggies are doing so well against the top teams in the conference. No one could have seen that coming after the Houston game. Florida is Florida and they will be fine. What Schloss and this coaching staff has done this season is incredible.

Chrundle the Great said:

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STCLaggie21 said:

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Florida is 6-12 in sec play and they're 14th RPI?

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Their 6 series have been 6 of the best teams in the sec. Bama, lsu, Vandy, Georgia, Arky, Tennessee.

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Gators have a non-conference road series against Miami and three mid-week games (one yet to be played) against FSU.

Their schedule has been pretty ridiculous.

Needs report says we need to win 13 of our last 15 to finish top 16 RPI. Seems a little harsh. I expect to win out last few midweeks, and getting to 18 wins in the SEC would make us a lock to host I would think.

http://www.boydsworld.com/baseball/rpi/rpineeds.html

Crazy to think about, but winning 8/10 series in the SEC should put us in National seed conversations, not top 16.

Obviously some of our ooc games have changed things. But realistically we should be able to have 3-4 losses and still be able to host a regional.

CypressAg09 said:

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Needs report says we need to win 13 of our last 15 to finish top 16 RPI. Seems a little harsh. I expect to win out last few midweeks, and getting to 18 wins in the SEC would make us a lock to host I would think.

http://www.boydsworld.com/baseball/rpi/rpineeds.html

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Not really that harsh when you actually look at our remaining schedule and the teams we have left to play in RPI terms.

We have 15 games left. 9 are at home which means wins in those will count as 0.7 * wins and losses will be 1.3 * loss. All of our remaining home games are against teams that have 60+ rpi ranks. So losses to any of those teams will hurt our tpi more than wins will help it.

On the flip side, we have 6 games on the road remaining. Vandy will be the only remaining games against a team with a rpi greater than 60. If we want to lose games, it would be beneficial to lose them on the road because of the 0.7 * loss for road losses.

It hurts us that most of our remaining SEC opponents have been below average in conference play. Plus the three OOC games we have are all against teams with an rpi 119 or worse.

CypressAg09 said:

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Needs report says we need to win 13 of our last 15 to finish top 16 RPI. Seems a little harsh. I expect to win out last few midweeks, and getting to 18 wins in the SEC would make us a lock to host I would think.

http://www.boydsworld.com/baseball/rpi/rpineeds.html

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The needs report is nice, but it has to make several assumptions/generalizations out of necessity.

It is assuming what RPI value will place a team in the top 8, 16, etc. and then essentially takes a team's games in a bubble with liitle regard to impacts from opponents' wins/losses and RPI changes. This has to be done since there are way too many permutations across the nation to try to calculate for the reaminder of the season at this point.

As with any statistics it will become more precise as we near the end of the season and those permutations are fewer. [/nerd glasses off]

dcaggie04 said:

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CypressAg09 said:

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Needs report says we need to win 13 of our last 15 to finish top 16 RPI. Seems a little harsh. I expect to win out last few midweeks, and getting to 18 wins in the SEC would make us a lock to host I would think.

http://www.boydsworld.com/baseball/rpi/rpineeds.html

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Not really that harsh when you actually look at our remaining schedule and the teams we have left to play in RPI terms.

We have 15 games left. 9 are at home which means wins in those will count as 0.7 * wins and losses will be 1.3 * loss. All of our remaining home games are against teams that have 60+ rpi ranks. So losses to any of those teams will hurt our tpi more than wins will help it.

On the flip side, we have 6 games on the road remaining. Vandy will be the only remaining games against a team with a rpi greater than 60. If we want to lose games, it would be beneficial to lose them on the road because of the 0.7 * loss for road losses.

It hurts us that most of our remaining SEC opponents have been below average in conference play. Plus the three OOC games we have are all against teams with an rpi 119 or worse.

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The schedule may hurt us down the stretch in terms of RPI but maybe playing the weaker teams while we are playing better will help pile up wins. A few home sweeps could go a long way towards hosting.
Where do people see the cutoff for SEC wins for us to host? 16,17, 18?

dabo man said:

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Current SEC RPI standings. For the teams' records, I used the format:
(conference / non-conference)

SEC West:
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#16 Auburn (11-7/18-5), SOS 19
#18 LSU (10-8/17-4), SOS 13
#21 Texas A&M (10-8/15-6), SOS 7
#27 Arkansas (12-6/19-3), SOS 80
#42 Alabama (9-9/15-8), SOS 8
#64 Ole Miss (6-12/16-5), SOS 32
#76 Mississippi State (8-10/16-7), SOS 63

SEC East:
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#1 Tennessee (17-1/20-2), SOS 38
#5 Georgia (11-7/17-5), SOS 9
#8 Vanderbilt (9-9/19-2), SOS 16
#13 Florida (6-12/17-5), SOS 2
#38 Missouri (5-13/17-2), SOS 24
#67 South Carolina (6-12/13-8), SOS 6
#77 Kentucky (6-12/16-6), SOS 41

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We beat LSU 2-1 in Baton Rouge. Arky swept LSU in Fayetteville over Easter weekend. LSU is ahead of both of us.

VegasAg86 said:

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dabo man said:

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Current SEC RPI standings. For the teams' records, I used the format:
(conference / non-conference)

SEC West:
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#16 Auburn (11-7/18-5), SOS 19
#18 LSU (10-8/17-4), SOS 13
#21 Texas A&M (10-8/15-6), SOS 7
#27 Arkansas (12-6/19-3), SOS 80
#42 Alabama (9-9/15-8), SOS 8
#64 Ole Miss (6-12/16-5), SOS 32
#76 Mississippi State (8-10/16-7), SOS 63

SEC East:
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#1 Tennessee (17-1/20-2), SOS 38
#5 Georgia (11-7/17-5), SOS 9
#8 Vanderbilt (9-9/19-2), SOS 16
#13 Florida (6-12/17-5), SOS 2
#38 Missouri (5-13/17-2), SOS 24
#67 South Carolina (6-12/13-8), SOS 6
#77 Kentucky (6-12/16-6), SOS 41

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We beat LSU 2-1 in Baton Rouge. Arky swept LSU in Fayetteville over Easter weekend. LSU is ahead of both of us.

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I'm not sure what the point of your post is.

dcaggie04 said:

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VegasAg86 said:

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dabo man said:

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Current SEC RPI standings. For the teams' records, I used the format:
(conference / non-conference)

SEC West:
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#16 Auburn (11-7/18-5), SOS 19
#18 LSU (10-8/17-4), SOS 13
#21 Texas A&M (10-8/15-6), SOS 7
#27 Arkansas (12-6/19-3), SOS 80
#42 Alabama (9-9/15-8), SOS 8
#64 Ole Miss (6-12/16-5), SOS 32
#76 Mississippi State (8-10/16-7), SOS 63

SEC East:
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#1 Tennessee (17-1/20-2), SOS 38
#5 Georgia (11-7/17-5), SOS 9
#8 Vanderbilt (9-9/19-2), SOS 16
#13 Florida (6-12/17-5), SOS 2
#38 Missouri (5-13/17-2), SOS 24
#67 South Carolina (6-12/13-8), SOS 6
#77 Kentucky (6-12/16-6), SOS 41

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We beat LSU 2-1 in Baton Rouge. Arky swept LSU in Fayetteville over Easter weekend. LSU is ahead of both of us.

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I'm not sure what the point of your post is.

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Just an interesting RPI oddity.