dermdoc said:
We are hosting.
Missouri is 1-9 vs top 25 teams and their RPI is 27dermdoc said:
How does Mizzou have that good of RPI?
HoustonAg2106 said:Missouri is 1-9 vs top 25 teams and their RPI is 27dermdoc said:
How does Mizzou have that good of RPI?
I have no idea how RPI works
CypressAg09 said:
I know we had some not so great losses early, but we got to be close to the top in the wins against ranked teams column.
Sterling82 said:
Missouri picked up a 1 run win over a tier 3 opponent at home and moved up one spot. A&M picks up a 13 run win over #2 team at home and moves up...one spot. Yeah, sure, okay!
This. RPI is a mathematical formula based on wins and losses, with a home/road factor applied for non-conference games. Note that a win at home in non-conference (even against a good DBU team) factors in to the formula as less meaningful than our road win against a woeful Rice team, although the relative strength of our opponents is factored in as another part of the equation. But, somewhat counterintuitively, who you beat (or lose to) doesn't matter: it's just who you play, where you play, and did you win or lose.Luke The Drifter said:Sterling82 said:
Missouri picked up a 1 run win over a tier 3 opponent at home and moved up one spot. A&M picks up a 13 run win over #2 team at home and moves up...one spot. Yeah, sure, okay!
So many factors come into play. What did the other teams around you in the RPI do last night? How did your opponents do last night (did your strength of schedule go up or down?) How many percentage points (decimal places) were you ahead or behind the other teams around you in the RPI?
The RPI is a flawed system, that's for sure...but it does not simply operate like a human poll does. There's no real factor for margin of victory and there's allegedly no bias for being a media darling or anything like that.
twk said:This. RPI is a mathematical formula based on wins and losses, with a home/road factor applied for non-conference games. Note that a win at home in non-conference (even against a good DBU team) factors in to the formula as less meaningful than our road win against a woeful Rice team, although the relative strength of our opponents is factored in as another part of the equation. But, somewhat counterintuitively, who you beat (or lose to) doesn't matter: it's just who you play, where you play, and did you win or lose.Luke The Drifter said:Sterling82 said:
Missouri picked up a 1 run win over a tier 3 opponent at home and moved up one spot. A&M picks up a 13 run win over #2 team at home and moves up...one spot. Yeah, sure, okay!
So many factors come into play. What did the other teams around you in the RPI do last night? How did your opponents do last night (did your strength of schedule go up or down?) How many percentage points (decimal places) were you ahead or behind the other teams around you in the RPI?
The RPI is a flawed system, that's for sure...but it does not simply operate like a human poll does. There's no real factor for margin of victory and there's allegedly no bias for being a media darling or anything like that.
The SEC went 9-4 last night, which isn't very good, and most of those wins were against mediocre (at best) competition. That didn't help our numbers.
Dr Lane Trowlan said:CypressAg09 said:
I know we had some not so great losses early, but we got to be close to the top in the wins against ranked teams column.
I count 9 wins & 6 losses to ranked teams.
The RPI formula is heavily biased. It gives a lot of weight to away games and non-conference games. This is to encourage tough non-conference scheduling, at the expense of the integrity of the rankings.AggieMD95 said:
How is Dallas Baptist 2nd ?
Sq 17 said:
Definitely looks like a few teams have higher RPI,s BUT those teams are ahead of us because quirks in the formula. ( Mizzou for example )
Removing those teams from consideration how close is A&M to being considered as a first round host ?
Given the Nolan ELO of 18 maybe the Ags are already there.
SchizoAg said:The RPI formula is heavily biased. It gives a lot of weight to away games and non-conference games. This is to encourage tough non-conference scheduling, at the expense of the integrity of the rankings.AggieMD95 said:
How is Dallas Baptist 2nd ?
RPI awards different values for home wins/losses and road wins/losses, but only in non-conference play. It's something like a home conference win is a 1.0, while a home non-conference win is a .7, and a road non-conference win is a 1.3. I don't remember the exact numbers, but that gives you an idea how it works.TXAggie2011 said:SchizoAg said:The RPI formula is heavily biased. It gives a lot of weight to away games and non-conference games. This is to encourage tough non-conference scheduling, at the expense of the integrity of the rankings.AggieMD95 said:
How is Dallas Baptist 2nd ?
No, the RPI doesn't weigh non-conference games any differently than conference games. Yes, it does weigh award away wins more than a home win, and punishes home losses more than an away loss.
DBU has played a very difficult schedule to this point and won their fair share.
It will sort itself out as the conference schedule goes along and DBU plays more and more weaker teams.
I'm pretty sure that's not correct. They were concerned about giving bonus points to the northern teams that have to travel to start the season. No reason to give a road bonus for conference play.Quote:
But this applies across the whole season. There's no differentiation between conference and non-conference in the RPI.
twk said:I'm pretty sure that's not correct. They were concerned about giving bonus points to the northern teams that have to travel to start the season. No reason to give a road bonus for conference play.Quote:
But this applies across the whole season. There's no differentiation between conference and non-conference in the RPI.
I've been looking for that, but can't find it. Perhaps I'm wrong. However, I know they discussed doing it this way (making the distinction between non-conference and conference games) because doing it for conference plays makes zero sense. The whole point was to reward teams who voluntarily go on the road to play. Your conference schedule is not some voluntary choice. Now, that should mostly balance out, unless you have a team that is particularly good on the road in conference play, but it just isn't logical to give A&M, for example, bonus points for winning games in Athens and dock them for winning games in College Station as that has nothing to do with the concern which caused the adjustment (northern teams having to hit the road to start the season).dcaggie04 said:twk said:I'm pretty sure that's not correct. They were concerned about giving bonus points to the northern teams that have to travel to start the season. No reason to give a road bonus for conference play.Quote:
But this applies across the whole season. There's no differentiation between conference and non-conference in the RPI.
Can you provide any sources for this contention? I have seen nothing that says the adjustments are only for non-con games.
