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A lot of my first-choice players have already played in 5 cup games

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Now you're just bragging.

Ok, just got my registration back, I'm Kairos FC. Gonna do some reading tonight and figure out what the heck I'm doing, feel free to fire away with any noob advice.

And first q's...

1. What's a reasonable amount for a team starting out to spend on transfers and coaching? It looks like you have to consider both tranfer fees and wages, correct?

2. I looked at expanding my training and youth program to Level 1 and got a message saying "The next level would cost 6,241,120,- to complete." while on the stadium page it mentions "Next level: 27,500 /week". Can someone elaborate there?

3. What does the income look like, on average, weekly? I realize it'll vary by club, but I'm trying to figure out what's wise to spend out of what I have.

hey fig, I think I can answer some of your questions.

1. If you have youth players that are worth developing, then you should hire one coach for every training group that your high Training Intensity (TI) youth are in. Eventually you will need one for every group. This will all change when they soon release the new training, though, so I would recc. that you probably buy 2 coaches. As far as players to buy, DON'T make the noob mistake of blowing your whole wad on one big transfer. The games are won by the whole team, so it is better to just improve each position little by little. I would def. recommend downloading one of the TM tools, I prefer TMTool, but many like trexma. It helps you better evaluate which players are good at exactly what positions, based on their skills, as ASI is not always great. If you have high ASI guys whose skills are not very good for their position, sell them and buy a replacement. You can usually sucker someone into overpaying for them just based on their ASI.
2. The 6 mil is how much you pay for the upgrade, whereas the thing you see on the previous page is the weekly maintenance fee you would have to pay at the next level. Note that you start paying the maintenance fee right away, but also receive the benefits right away, the construction time simply dictates how often you can upgrade.
3. Depends on your fans and how many home matches. In general, if you sell out a 9000 seat stadium, you're probably looking at about 2 mil. per home match, plus another 650k for food/merch (definitely upgrade those right away) per home match, and 8 mil in sponsor income. So basically it will vary a lot depending on number of home matches.


In general, since I'm assuming your in d.7, you can safely assume that (due to deleted and banned teams ahead of you) if you finish in the top half of your division, then you will promote to division 6, which is your big goal given that you are not in the US open cup. Therefore, if I were you, I would spend my money on expanding my stadium to just the point where it sells out, expanding your food and merch. to the appropriate level given your attendance, and in general not spending a whole lot of money on free agents, as you'd be better served to save it for next season.

If you want me to be perfectly honest, your best bet is to tinker with this team, get a better feel for the game, and then ask to have your team deleted and start fresh next season. You will likely start in division 6, which means you will have a MUCH, MUCH better team to start with.

I'm in division 6, group 38. My team is aggies, my roommate is texas aggies. Find me and message me and I will give you more specific advice based on your players.

Hey guys, if you like trophy manager, try maxithlon.com. It's the same type of game, but for track and field.
I also play trophyhockey (which is in it's infancy), buzzerbeater (for basketball), and hattrick (soccer, but much larger/older game).

I finally climbed into first on goal differential, but we still have 9 games to go. This is way too much stress for a fantasy game.

As far as new teams, definitely download a tool like TMTool. It helped convince me that it was okay to offload a striker with a 12k+ ASI, because me guy with a 4k ASI was just as good at the position. I wound up $99 million richer, and, with a striker that was riding the pine, now with 5 goals in 8 games.

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As others have mentioned before, going through the little FITA manager training is well worth it. It took me a few minutes, but at the end you get a hefty sum of cash for your troubles.

fig-Two friendly challenges accepted.

So I benched every single one of my starters for the Cheeseheads match last night. We lost 5-0 and got outshot 23/11 to 1/1. Possession 64-36. And I picked up two injuries-3 games for one of my backup MCs and 2 games for a backup DMC.

I'm glad those weren't starters.

Good info, thanks guys, and thanks for the friendly Beer Snob. I actually did the FITA manager training last night, definitely worth it both for the cash and to get a better feel for how the game works.

I can definitely see how this can get addictive Starting to look at a few transfer players and coaches now.

Go with the coaches and scouts before you look to buy players off the market. You can use the scouts to look at your own guys (especially useful for the youth development) and the coaches to start building your current squad. I use Trexema for Firefox to check out players online and then use the TMtool to help me put together solid lineups.

Where can I download the TM tool?

Check page 5 of this thread for the links for the two tools. (I asked the same question about two weeks ago.)

Got TrExMa working, SUPER useful. and I won my first match last night, put one in (at home) in the 93rd minute. I definitely need a new forward or two, one of my guys missed a TON of chances. My keeper and D overall is pretty solid though.

I was leary about changing from a solid formation (3-3-3-1), to the TMTool recommended 4-3-3 (defensive), but I haven't lost a league game yet with the new formation, and some players that were crap in the 3-3-3-1 are thriving now. Leap of faith, but it has paid off.

I wish I had the tool before I sold a guy that is now averaging a point a game for another team.

fig96-check your messages

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I wish I had the tool before I sold a guy that is now averaging a point a game for another team.

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Which player is that?

I was looking at your transfers, and the manager who paid you 99.8m for Hagar doesn't strike me as particularly bright. You made out like a bandit.

Oh yeah, Hagar was injured for 9 games, and the bidding went from 12 million to 99 million within a half-hour of the closing.

Dietz Pazotta, on the other hand, went for 4.8 million, so I think I broke even.

http://trophymanager.com/showprofile.php?playerid=16335697

I just looked at the team that I sold the aforementioned Dietz to, and they have been banned. What do you think the odds are that my "approach to buy" will be answered?

Yeah, Pazotta was a steal for that Egyptian team.

Even if the banned team accepted a transfer request, my understanding is that the transfer will probably be canceled. I can't really explain why, but that's happened a few times recently.

So it looks like the training changes have taken effect. Very Different, but I like the new system. Of course I'll have to go through and replace most of my coaches, which is a bit of a burden for my cash-strapped club.

Good luck to everyone in the promotion/relegation races as the season winds down (everyone except for those of you in 6.20 of course).

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yep, I had to put in a new search for coaches. My GK coach is at 94% but all the others or 75-80%, pretty meh!

should be interesting to see the training results though for this first week under the new system.

The new training interface is great. It's very familiar since I signed up for TH a few weeks ago.

But it kind of pisses me off. I had hired some good coaches earlier in the season, but fired all but one when it was made clear that the coaches didn't really help much under the old system.

Now I have to do a new search and pay all of the hefty signing fees again.

Damnit.

Ok, just checking out the new training interface and I'm a bit confused. I just hired a coach, but I can't see him to be able to assign him in training, i.e. the Coaches slot says "Empty -> Hire Coaches". any ideas?

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I don't know, fig. I had one coach before the update, and he was automatically assigned to training group 1 (but I could move him if I wished).

Then I signed a second coach yesterday and he appeared at the top left under "coaches." Just had to drag him into group 2 to assign him.

Sounds like you're experiencing a bug. Maybe it isn't working correctly for those teams that had no coaches at all before the new interface was implemented?

all my coaches were already assigned a group, i just hade to play around with the players to get them sorted out.

its a drag and drop interface. works pretty nice.

Bug fixed, he just wasn't showing up for some reason. Great response from the guys over there, I'm impressed.

and I outshot my opponent last night 10-5 with 7 on target and drew 0-0. argh.

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0-0 draw for me too...

More news regarding training. In an effort to appease the many owners upset that their coaches are likely ineffective with the training system, they are expediting coaching searches. Any previous coaching search still underway is now finished, and future coaching searches will take 1-3 days instead of 1-3 weeks. Of course, most of us in the lower divisions probably don't have the excess cash for multiple searches right away to do any wholesale replacement of coaches.

Oh, and I loved the press release, CS Liverpool.

Well, I just did something stupid. I had a thorough search done recently and expedited by the new policy. I signed one coach and intended to sign at least one more from that bunch, but thought I'd run another search before I decided, since they only take 3 days now.

Only I forgot that a new search deletes your old prospects.

Dumb.

Oops.

I think I've come to terms with the new training and finally developed a formula going forward. Right now, I have 5 coaches for the field players with effectiveness at 90, 84, 82, 81, and 70%. A GK coach with effectiveness at 87% (but since I have no young GKs, that really has no affect). Just put in a quick search for a replacement to my 70% and then I'll be looking for coaches to fill the other sub 90 categories. My goal is to have at least 90% effectiveness mid way through season 14.

sounds like anything below 90% is a wash.

dang, i think the b league is a bunch of horse s__t. Now I have to compete againt the majors prime youth b teams. I really don't like the fact that the "b" teams are put into the lower divisions. competetion is tough enough to advance, now we have to deal with ML teams in the lower divisions too...

ok, im not really angry... more just a touch frustrated....

They should have a separate league for the B-teams. But whatever.

Honesty, 99% of teams can't field a B team that would be more competitive than a recently created A team in the 7th division.

I just picked a random group in division 7 and they have one really good guy with 13,000 ASI, 2 with between 6,000 and 8,000 and then a ton in the 2,000 to 4,000 range.

In my B team, my highest ASI guy would have maybe 6,000 ASI a couple of 4,000 ASI and then a bunch of sub 2,000 guys. My youth team isn't spectacular but it's pretty reasonable. Sure, teams like the Cheeseheads can field some damn good B teams but I'd be willing to bet there aren't more than 10-20 teams in TM that can field a B team that's better than a 7th division's A team. In other words, you probably wouldn't have more than 1 in your division and you might not have any.

Regardless of how much real effect it might have, I just don't think it makes any sense to have them in the same league structure as normal teams. Is there any promotion/relegation league system in the world where reserve teams play in the normal divisions with weaker senior teams?

Yep...all the time actually. The reserve teams in Spain and Germany play in the same pyramid as their first teams. In fact, some of the B teams of the Real Madrid's and Bayern Munich's of the world are pretty successful.

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However, in other countries, reserve teams play in the same football pyramid as their senior team and have competed in the national cup competitions. In Spain this has seen the reserve teams of FC Barcelona and CD Málaga change identity and play in La Liga while Castilla CF, the reserve team of Real Madrid, reached the Copa del Rey final, qualified for the European Cup Winners Cup and won the Segunda División.

In Germany, Hertha BSC Amateure, the reserve team of Hertha Berlin, reached the 1992-93 German Cup final after their first team were eliminated in the quarter finals. They lost the final 1-0 to Bayer Leverkusen. In the German football league system, however, reserve teams are not allowed to get promoted above the level of third division and from 2008-09 will not be allowed to play in the cup competition to serve the non-reserve team's interests. In the 2003-04 season, Bayern Munich's reserve team won the Regionalliga Süd, a semi-professional league in the third tier of German football, finishing nine points clear of the second-placed Rot-Weiss Erfurt. [1] Due to the rule which prohibits one club to have two teams in fully professional leagues, the third-placed Saarbrücken was promoted to the Second Bundesliga instead.

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