Guys on Houston radio are idiots. Although it is on the NY/Jersey border.

That's what I listen to Sirius, who of course are not immune to mistakes either.

J.D. c/o 05 said:

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Guys on the radio say NJ?

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Same thing

Psych said:

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J.D. c/o 05 said:

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Guys on the radio say NJ?

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Same thing

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Ted Mosby says blasphemy

Looks like Giacomini has been plagued by back issues recently. Was on the PUP list last year and had surgery.

PFF is not a big fan of Giacomini but maybe he can provide some depth.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-offseason-to-do-list-for-the-new-york-jets/

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The Jets' offensive line (20th in pass-blocking, 28th in run-blocking) struggled immensely in 2015, especially on the outside. Their starting tackles, D'Brickashaw Ferguson (ranked 62nd of 76 OTs) and Breno Giacomini (ranked 69th), had replacement-level seasons. They were, arguably, the least effective duo of OTs in the NFL. In the passing game, Ferguson and Giacomini were dominated by edge rushers nearly every week (ranking 50th and 39th in pass-blocking efficiency among 59 OTs, respectively). Unfortunately, they weren't much better blocking the runrunning outside these tackles yielded only 2.8 yards per carry.

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http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2014/11/right_tackle_breno_giacomini_reflects_on_going_from_the_top_with_seattle_seahawks_to_the_bottom_with.html

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Entering Monday, Pro Football Focus rated Giacomini 45th out of 79 offensive tackles in the league. He was 39th in pass blocking and 56th in run blocking. Last season, Giacomini finished 38th overall in PFF's offensive tackle ratings, including 39th in pass blocking and 41st in run blocking.

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He's a body for training camp. Who knows what happens and who ends up getting hurt. He's got game experience and can help out in as pinch. No way he's the answer at RT but a few games seeing the field would be ok

He will compete for the job at RT and when healthy I think it's a good move.

J. Raye III looks to be the guy to replace Brian

I maybe in the minority here but I have little doubt that if Savage is healthy he will be the starter and he will stay the starter as long as the Texans are winning. There is NO WAY Watson starts from game one this year, barring injury and as mentioned that is the only reason Dak got a shot to play.

Why?

1. The Texan offensive system

The system is extremely demanding on QB's. In his last press conference for rookie camp BoB clearly stated that Watson is having to learn an entirely new language that is entirely different than what he did at Clemson. Even mentioning where you line up in the huddle.It was obvious to anyone with a brain that BoB was clearly trying to dampen any early expectations, or pressure, for Watson being anywhere near close to ready to be a starter.

2. Also the teams that start rookies early fit under a couple of categories.

A, They suck! They can afford to let the kid learn on the job as there are no great expectations. It also draws season tickets and keeps the fans engaged while they work through their suckage!
B. The QB is a top rated pick labled as a can't miss once every decade type of guy, like Manning or Luck. Oh and most the time teams that have that high a draft pick normally suck as well.
C. The team lost it's QB to injury and they are pressed into service.

This is the frigging NFL, and the number of rookie QB that come into this league and excel quickly is fairly low. As much as BoB puts on his QB to know, read and make decisions, he is not going to want Watson out their free lancing it. These are NFL defenses, very fast, complex, it would be unfair to expect Watson to come in form day one and grasp it, and I am sorry Bama would get trounced by any NFL offense. Watson will not be ready to take the reigns by game one and will not take the reigns barring injuries. Not under O'brien.



3. Savage (and probably Weeden) will simply be better QB's than Watson on game one and probably through out they year.

The Texans drafted one QB under BoB and it was Savage and Savage is going into his 4 year in this system. That's pretty normal it takes about 3 to 4 years to have a complete mental grasp of the offense where you don't have think so much. You can just read, make adjustments and calls and not be tryiing to remember the language.

4. The Texans don't suck, and are a veteran team and a defensive team.

They are playing to win now. They are not going to throw in a raw rookie QB when they are looking to win now and one of the prime objectives of the Texan O at this time under BoB, is TAKE CARE OF THE BALL, run the ball, a PRO STYLE OFFENSE WITH A PRO STYLE QB. I don't BoB is going to want Watson running the ball much.

5. I am not convinced that Watson is more talented as Qb then Savage even after some developement, And I can assure both Savage and Weeden are better QB than Watson for BoB's system at this time and probably for the year.

I Don't really understand where the idea that Savage sucks is coming from. The guy has played less then 8 quarters of football and last year he really showed some flashes of being a sound if not really good NFL QB. He had no pics and an 80.9 rating last year and won two games. It seems to me that most here think that he has 'maxed out' on his potential. I think that's dumb analysis. I think he will get better with more PT. Oh and Savage has a better and more accurate arm than Watson.

Also let's not forget that BoB is really holding a tight leash on Savage when he was in, pounding into his head "TAKE CARE OF THE BALL" staying very conservative. It was easy to tell that Savage was playing not to make a mistake or turn the ball over, the first half of both games and the O was like zelch, that was on O'brien IMHO he played the game very close to vest. Trying to get in the playoffs and mainly wanting his young Qb to not lose the game! The game plan was to let the defense win and run the ball and grind out a win. In the second half of both wins Savage played much much better. Basically BoB does not trust rookies and he is just now getting to where he will loosen the reigns some for Savage as he is coming into his 4th year. Why in the world BoB had Savage run a QB sneak for first down in a meaningless game is beyond me.

Remember Savage will come in getting all the starters reps for the first time, and the Osweiler drama is gone. He comes in 'the guy' it's his job to lose with BoB actually showing some confidence in him and has named him the starter and barring injury that is what is going to happen and as long as the Texan's win or Savage does show signs of suckage, he will stay the starter. I also think some Savage's injuries come from trying to prove himself. The guy is a competitor and I saw that from his tape form Pitt. He has to get smarter about getting rid of the ball and not taking hits he doesn't need to take. I expect that to happen this year.

Bottomline, everyone is assuming that Savage is going to not be good. I am not so sure, and I actually think Savage will get better the more he plays. Barring injury

Watson is obviously more mobile and is a winner, but there a lot winning successful college QBs that didn't do much in the Pro's. The game is so much faster, the decision making has to be quick, decisive and sound and the throw has to be accurate. It's very hard to asses those skills and they have to be developed.

He's going to play because we all know Savage can't stay healthy. He won't lose the job to Watson because of play, but because he'll get hurt.

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I maybe in the minority here but I have little doubt that if Savage is healthy he will be the starter and he will stay the starter as long as the Texans are winning. There is NO WAY Watson starts from game one this year, barring injury and as mentioned that is the only reason Dak got a shot to play.

Why?

1. The Texan offensive system

The system is extremely demanding on QB's. In his last press conference for rookie camp BoB clearly stated that Watson is having to learn an entirely new language that is entirely different than what he did at Clemson. Even mentioning where you line up in the huddle.It was obvious to anyone with a brain that BoB was clearly trying to dampen any early expectations, or pressure, for Watson being anywhere near close to ready to be a starter.

2. Also the teams that start rookies early fit under a couple of categories.

A, They suck! They can afford to let the kid learn on the job as there are no great expectations. It also draws season tickets and keeps the fans engaged while they work through their suckage!
B. The QB is a top rated pick labled as a can't miss once every decade type of guy, like Manning or Luck. Oh and most the time teams that have that high a draft pick normally suck as well.
C. The team lost it's QB to injury and they are pressed into service.

This is the frigging NFL, and the number of rookie QB that come into this league and excel quickly is fairly low. As much as BoB puts on his QB to know, read and make decisions, he is not going to want Watson out their free lancing it. These are NFL defenses, very fast, complex, it would be unfair to expect Watson to come in form day one and grasp it, and I am sorry Bama would get trounced by any NFL offense. Watson will not be ready to take the reigns by game one and will not take the reigns barring injuries. Not under O'brien.



3. Savage (and probably Weeden) will simply be better QB's than Watson on game one and probably through out they year.

The Texans drafted one QB under BoB and it was Savage and Savage is going into his 4 year in this system. That's pretty normal it takes about 3 to 4 years to have a complete mental grasp of the offense where you don't have think so much. You can just read, make adjustments and calls and not be tryiing to remember the language.

4. The Texans don't suck, and are a veteran team and a defensive team.

They are playing to win now. They are not going to throw in a raw rookie QB when they are looking to win now and one of the prime objectives of the Texan O at this time under BoB, is TAKE CARE OF THE BALL, run the ball, a PRO STYLE OFFENSE WITH A PRO STYLE QB. I don't BoB is going to want Watson running the ball much.

5. I am not convinced that Watson is more talented as Qb then Savage even after some developement, And I can assure both Savage and Weeden are better QB than Watson for BoB's system at this time and probably for the year.

I Don't really understand where the idea that Savage sucks is coming from. The guy has played less then 8 quarters of football and last year he really showed some flashes of being a sound if not really good NFL QB. He had no pics and an 80.9 rating last year and won two games. It seems to me that most here think that he has 'maxed out' on his potential. I think that's dumb analysis. I think he will get better with more PT. Oh and Savage has a better and more accurate arm than Watson.

Also let's not forget that BoB is really holding a tight leash on Savage when he was in, pounding into his head "TAKE CARE OF THE BALL" staying very conservative. It was easy to tell that Savage was playing not to make a mistake or turn the ball over, the first half of both games and the O was like zelch, that was on O'brien IMHO he played the game very close to vest. Trying to get in the playoffs and mainly wanting his young Qb to not lose the game! The game plan was to let the defense win and run the ball and grind out a win. In the second half of both wins Savage played much much better. Basically BoB does not trust rookies and he is just now getting to where he will loosen the reigns some for Savage as he is coming into his 4th year. Why in the world BoB had Savage run a QB sneak for first down in a meaningless game is beyond me.

Remember Savage will come in getting all the starters reps for the first time, and the Osweiler drama is gone. He comes in 'the guy' it's his job to lose with BoB actually showing some confidence in him and has named him the starter and barring injury that is what is going to happen and as long as the Texan's win or Savage does show signs of suckage, he will stay the starter. I also think some Savage's injuries come from trying to prove himself. The guy is a competitor and I saw that from his tape form Pitt. He has to get smarter about getting rid of the ball and not taking hits he doesn't need to take. I expect that to happen this year.

Bottomline, everyone is assuming that Savage is going to not be good. I am not so sure, and I actually think Savage will get better the more he plays. Barring injury

Watson is obviously more mobile and is a winner, but there a lot winning successful college QBs that didn't do much in the Pro's. The game is so much faster, the decision making has to be quick, decisive and sound and the throw has to be accurate. It's very hard to asses those skills and they have to be developed.

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This... is a lot of nonsense IMO. Savage is more accurate than Watson and is going to keep getting more accurate... on what basis? Your best comparison is college... where Watson was more accurate than Savage.

The Texans didn't burn 2 picks to switch QB's this season. If they thought Savage was the man, they'd have just stopped after dealing Brock, not burn picks next season and draft another need. Watson wasn't picked that high to sit all this season. He's going to play and going to play early. The Texans mortgaging so much future is an indictment that they don't think Savage is very good.

I don't mind Savage as a backup... and there was a lot of excitement about him last year simply because Osweiler was so putrid... but the Texans have put a lot on the line now 2 seasons in a row to get guys at his position where it's clear they see a need to get somebody better in that spot. All evidence points to even though he's only played 8 quarters, the staff doesn't think much of him.

If Texans were really that comfortable with Savage, why sign Brock and then trade up for a QB? Has Savage ever been legitimately good (as opposed to simply better than Brock) even when healthy?

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If Texans were really that comfortable with Savage, why sign Brock and then trade up for a QB? Has Savage ever been legitimately good (as opposed to simply better than Brock) even when healthy?

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Seriously. This is a playoff team even with a carousel at QB. We might as well start Watson and let him get experience before the playoffs. I don't trust Savage in a playoff game.

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If Texans were really that comfortable with Savage, why sign Brock and then trade up for a QB? Has Savage ever been legitimately good (as opposed to simply better than Brock) even when healthy?

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Because Brock was seen as being a huge improvement over Savage at that time. Both were young guys, but Brock had more playing time under his belt and saw decent success, whereas Savage dealt with injuries every year.

I think the QB situation is going to take care of itself after week 3 at New England

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Ryan34 said:

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If Texans were really that comfortable with Savage, why sign Brock and then trade up for a QB? Has Savage ever been legitimately good (as opposed to simply better than Brock) even when healthy?

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Seriously. This is a playoff team even with a carousel at QB. We might as well start Watson and let him get experience before the playoffs. I don't trust Savage in a playoff game.

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History has shown that the best experience for a young QB might be sitting on the bench for at least half a season.

I agree with Pahdz, Savage is guaranteed to get injured by midseason. The problem will take care of itself.

Yep. Sit his ass

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I think the QB situation is going to take care of itself after week 3 at New England

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My thoughts too.

Also, tl;dr

Yea, he was, second half of the game where he had his first start.

First half he was so tenative because of BoB being afraid to let cut lose.

Second half, after having about 50 yards of total offense, he threw for some 200+ yards and the offense was very effective, they just didn't finish with TD's, again some of that was Savage not wanting to put the ball at risk and being overly cautious.

There is a whole lot of dumb in those who challenged Savage's arm verses Watson. Savage has much better arm, not even comparable and in the NFL arm strenght is important, the windows are smaller and receivers are generally not open for as long in the NFL as in college. Getting the ball to the receivers hands .1 second faster can be the difference in a reception and incompletion. Savage has a gun, you have to respect his ability to throw the out pattern from the opposite hash, something that you will never see from Watson. It's just a play that will not be in repertoire. A CB will not worry about Watson trying to throw a deep out form the far hash, it's a throw he cannot make in the NFL where CBs can really recover. Also Savage has gotten better, and he has earned enough of BoB's confidence that they did not pursue Cutler.

Savage is more accurate more consistently than Watson. The idea of comparing college experience is ludicrous. Savage played for Pittsburg which had a horrible OL and a poor D. Watson had great talent around him, especially at WR. Savage? Not so much.

The issue about Savage and injuries is a legitmate one, however to say that he is for sure going to get injured is a bit over the top. Most of Savage's injuries have come from him holding the ball too long, (no one can question his guts) or doing things he really shouldn't be doing. The guy is a fierce competitor he wants to win and that was clear when I saw ALL his tape from Pitt. He was still fighting to make plays even when it was clear that they were going to lose.

QBs do mature get better you know! Again you guys that have labeled Savage as sucking have no criteria to base that on.

Oh and Brock was a McNair/Smith deal. They have been listening to the fans yell for a Qb. I wanted them to give Savage a shot last year. Wasn't really all in on the Os deal. I thought Savage just needed and opportunity that he has never gotten and that is what BoB said.

BoB is really demanding and hard on QB's he has gone through them like water and I am sure he does not expect Watson to be any where near read to start this year. Yea there may be pressure from the fan base and even McNair and Smith to move him up but that would be misplaced, if that is forced O'brien will be gone and the end of the year, bank on it.

I laugh at those who some how think that Savage getting injured and replaced by a rookie Watson would be a good thing for this years Texans!

Reading some of these harkens me back to the VY and Reggie Bush vs Mario Williams days.

VY was a bust waiting to happen, so, so, so much hype. Texans fans have wanted a first rd, franchise QB for a long time now. There just hasn't been many of those, and Watson is no sure fire one either.

I like Watson, I hope he turns into a franchise QB, I just know he won't be that this year for sure and may never be. I just don't understand the Savage sucks mantra.

I mean yea he has taken injuries but some of those were because he played behind really bad OL in the pre season. This last time was on Gotfried or BoB. who in the world calls a QB keeper on short yardage situation in the first half in a game that doesn't mean jack!?!??? Talking about dumb. LB's are going to attack the LOS and throw their hat in the hole. Head to the crown of the helmet hits are quite likely in that scenario, especially with a 6'4" Qb. Why put your QB at risk in that situation?

Savage was better than Brock, period.

Give the guy a chance.

I think an offseason where Savage gets first team reps will do wonders for him. We just need to protect him

I don't think anyone doubts Savage's arm. I question whether he's actually any good because he wasn't good in college and hasn't shown much in the NFL besides that he's not Brock Osweiler bad. IMO the Texans would not have been so aggressive with Brock and Watson if they were truly confident in Savage, and I wouldn't be surprised if Watson wins the starting job.

The Brock signing wasn't an OB call.. Savage will get his shot and if he performs he will keep it.. Watson will have to show something spectacular to start game one but he can do it but he will have to show OB he can do it.

Savage needs to stay healthy too

OTa's start Wednesday..
I think this is where Kareem will start getting a lot of reps at safety.

Interested to see Wes Welkers role and his influence on the slot receivers.

Want to see how hands on OB will be with the offense this OTa's and how he tweaks it.

Who's going to be the starting RT?

All three guys on NFL Live (Field Yates, Bruschi, Jeff Saturday) say they think Savage attempts less than 90 passes this year.

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All three guys on NFL Live (Field Yates, Bruschi, Jeff Saturday) say they think Savage attempts less than 90 passes this year.

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Unless there is an injury, I think they're all wrong.

Just moved from Houaton to San Antonio. This must be Dallas South with the amount of Cowboy fans in SA

brotheraggie said:

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Just moved from Houaton to San Antonio. This must be Dallas South with the amount of Cowboy fans in SA

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I moved here from Houston a couple years ago, glad to have another Texan fan here! If you need Texans gear check out Dick's at the Rim. You can't find anything at Academy here...

Savage will start for a while unless he is injured or Brock bad, I am not sure why anyone is suggesting otherwise.