***TEXANS 2017 OFF SEASON***

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In reply to Farmer1906 • 1:24p, 4/27/17
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aggie1906 said:
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at #25...best player available please
What if the best player on the Texans board is a 3-4 DE?
trade out of the first
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In reply to CFTXAG10 • 1:34p, 4/27/17
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CFTXAG10 said:
My guess is the strategy looks something like
1) Take Watson or Mahomes if available at 25
2) If step 1 doesn't apply then take best OT
3) If you feel like you are reaching at step 2 then trade out of 1st or take best player available


This. 100% this. I'd even consider maybe picking up a safety if one mid round guy slid down to. Otherwise exactly what you said.
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 1:39p, 4/27/17
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aggie1906 said:
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at #25...best player available please
What if the best player on the Texans board is a 3-4 DE?
can you have enough quality pass rushers or run stuffers?

especially with Clowney's and now J.J.'s injury history?
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 1:45p, 4/27/17
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aggie1906 said:
chjoak said:
aggie1906 said:
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at #25...best player available please
What if the best player on the Texans board is a 3-4 DE?
Depends if they plan to move Clowney back to LB and/or if you think you will be able to re-sign Clowney.
Not likely the pick I would make but you could justify it depending on the circumstances.
Let's assume they plan on keeping Clowney on the line most of the time.
If they plan to continue using him as a 3-4DE and they expect to re-sign him, I would pick 2nd best player on my board or look for a trade partner to move back.
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1:47p, 4/27/17
Sounds like Titans have a deal in place to trade. Suitors it seems is Cleveland
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In reply to bilbobag • 1:47p, 4/27/17
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Sounds like Titans have a deal in place to trade. Suitors it seems is Cleveland
Going back up to get Trubisky I guess?
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In reply to bilbobag • 1:50p, 4/27/17
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Sounds like Titans have a deal in place to trade. Suitors it seems is Cleveland


Interesting so they want to grab Trubisky ahead of the Jets?
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1:55p, 4/27/17
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Now lets make a deal with Titans and move to 12.
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1:56p, 4/27/17
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Would be hilarious to see JAX or SF take him.
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In reply to LilSebastian13 • 1:58p, 4/27/17
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That's why it's just in place. They won't execute until the Titans are on the clock. Although the scenario you are describing is just such a Browns thing to do.
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2:08p, 4/27/17
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So lemme get this straight...

CLE drafts Myles at 1.1
CLE trades up from 1.12 with TEN to get to 1.5
CLE drafts Trubisky at 1.5
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In reply to [removed post] • 2:10p, 4/27/17
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Houston media has been talking about O'Brien leaving since last mid season.
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In reply to Ag_07 • 2:11p, 4/27/17
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So lemme get this straight...

CLE drafts Myles at 1.1
CLE trades up from 1.12 with TEN to get to 1.5
CLE drafts Trubisky at 1.5


I guess they like Trubisky and they may believe that Jets will take him at 6.
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In reply to [removed post] • 2:12p, 4/27/17
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Lots of talk on the radio about this being bobs last year so he won't really get much input on who is drafted, especially at qb. First I've seen or heard that


Then they should have fired him after last season and not just keep him around for one more season, makes no sense.
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In reply to Ag_07 • 2:14p, 4/27/17
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So lemme get this straight...

CLE drafts Myles at 1.1
CLE trades up from 1.12 with TEN to get to 1.5
CLE drafts Trubisky at 1.5


They have an ass ton of picks in this and next year's drafts might as well use some to get who they want.
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In reply to AgsMyDude • 2:16p, 4/27/17
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Hennessy11 said:
Ag_07 said:
So lemme get this straight...

CLE drafts Myles at 1.1
CLE trades up from 1.12 with TEN to get to 1.5
CLE drafts Trubisky at 1.5


They have an ass ton of picks in this and next year's drafts might as well use some to get who they want.

I agree and I don't think it's that bad of a move.

They get their #1 overall pick in Myles and the make their owner happy in getting the QB they want.
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2:16p, 4/27/17
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We shouldn't fire BOB at all. He's built a good team with **** at QB. I know the conference is weak, but we could easily be much much worse. Let's pick a QB and let's see what he's got. If the QB fails and we lose then fire him.
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In reply to [removed post] • 2:20p, 4/27/17
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third coast.. said:
Lots of talk on the radio about this being bobs last year so he won't really get much input on who is drafted, especially at qb. First I've seen or heard that
Radio guys are blow-hards. Is it possible BOB is gone after next year? Sure. But direct info from bilbo is that the internal struggle around Brock gave BOB a lot more lee-way and say in things even with Rick still around.

I'll take his word for it.
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 2:21p, 4/27/17
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We shouldn't fire BOB at all. He's built a good team with **** at QB. I know the conference is weak, but we could easily be much much worse. Let's pick a QB and let's see what he's got. If the QB fails and we lose then fire him.

All that talk started because of a Jay Glazer tweet about how he wouldn't be surprised to see O'Brien out in Houston. I don't know how legit any of the behind the scenes stuff was, but I think the biggest issue O'Brien had is now shipped off to Cleveland.
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Lots of talk on the radio about this being bobs last year so he won't really get much input on who is drafted, especially at qb. First I've seen or heard that


This is such a load of crap.


He has more say and control at this point than he has ever had. He just managed with the help of his GM to unload a turd QB that he nor his players could stand. He's restructured his staff.

Bob is going all in this year to prove the naysayers wrong. Now with that will come some risks and his contract is coming up too..

To say it's an important year for him is true but to say he's out the door with no say in the draft is dumb.

I can promise OB could be fired tomorrow and he would have a new job in the works by the time he gets home.

That's why I believe if there is a QB at 25 that OB wants, that will be the pick. The key is will that player be there. It could also be that the QB he wants will be drafted on day two too.
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2:51p, 4/27/17
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Guys...bilbo keeps saying the same things over and over and yet some of yall don't want to listen. You guys can keep putting stock into what is being said by the media guys, but for me I'll stick with bilbo.

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3:09p, 4/27/17
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Reading Bilbo's post the last few days here is what I got. We like Mahomes and to a lesser extend Watson. We would take either at 25, but it doesn't sound like either will. We don't love them enough to move up or moving up with just cost too much and we're already down a 2nd round pick next year. Because of this we're targeted a few OL (Ramczyk or maybe Lamp if he's around) and will settle for someone else later. Webb, Kizer, and Peterman are all named so IDK where he's leaning.

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That's why I believe if there is a QB at 25 that OB wants, that will be the pick. The key is will that player be there. It could also be that the QB he wants will be drafted on day two too.
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LZ is saying that because he believes all three will be gone before the Texans pick. That would be worse case scenario for the Texans to not have a choice and if did play out like that, I would trade out.
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Thoughts on Cal's Davis Webb..
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Lots of smoke on Mahommes but to me it would be a toss if Watson and Mahommes weee both available at 25..

I will say this, Welker going to Mahommes was no accident..

It will just depend on how things play out.. 2-3 trades possible
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If we go OL, I like Ramczyk much better
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I just don't see Lamp being available at 25
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There is no doubt the Texans are interested in a QB. However, to me, there isn't any QB's in this draft worth shipping off future 1st round picks to get one. That's why I think Kizer/Peterman are better options.

I do believe and others do to, the Texans need to come away with the combination of OT and QB with their first two selections. The wild card would be a hybrid Safety. You could CB too but this class I loaded so you could wait.
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My point on Watson is he falls past Arizona. I think he could be gone before Arizona picks possibly.

This draft will be a little crazy

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3:17p, 4/27/17
Little bit of a reach saying Mahommes over Watson. It's who is available or who are you willing to move up for without mortgaging picks..

There is so much info circulating right now my head hurts.

Bottom line is it will all depend on how the draft plays out.
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3:18p, 4/27/17
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There's a rumor swirling that the Browns will draft Garrett at #1, trade up to #5, and then trade #5 to the Pats for Jimmy Garoppolo. A little bit of a crazy scenario, but QBs could slide if it plays out that way.
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3:21p, 4/27/17
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I've got to say this draft really seems like the most unpredictable one in a long time. Not just for the Texans but for everyone.

I have a feeling tonight could be pretty wild.
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 3:29p, 4/27/17
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I'm getting they same thing. They obviously are prioritizing QB in this draft but not so much so that they'd leverage our future on one. Hopefully the right one falls to us.

I think it's pretty important for OB to be given the chance to pick out his guy and be able to develop him. Almost every coach in the league (outside of the ones that came into a team with a franchise guy) has had that shot. OB should be no different.
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In reply to rbcs_2 • 3:30p, 4/27/17
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There's a rumor swirling that the Browns will draft Garrett at #1, trade up to #5, and then trade #5 to the Pats for Jimmy Garoppolo. A little bit of a crazy scenario, but QBs could slide if it plays out that way.


Imagine if the Pats were able to add someone like Fournette
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In reply to AgsMyDude • 3:33p, 4/27/17
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rbcs_2 said:
There's a rumor swirling that the Browns will draft Garrett at #1, trade up to #5, and then trade #5 to the Pats for Jimmy Garoppolo. A little bit of a crazy scenario, but QBs could slide if it plays out that way.


Imagine if the Pats were able to add someone like Fournette


That would be a pretty un-Patriot thing for them to do, meaning drafting Fournette.
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In reply to rbcs_2 • 3:33p, 4/27/17
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There's a rumor swirling that the Browns will draft Garrett at #1, trade up to #5, and then trade #5 to the Pats for Jimmy Garoppolo. A little bit of a crazy scenario, but QBs could slide if it plays out that way.
Not sure why it would take a #5 for JG. Seems like #12 would be sufficient.
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In reply to chjoak • 3:35p, 4/27/17
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rbcs_2 said:
There's a rumor swirling that the Browns will draft Garrett at #1, trade up to #5, and then trade #5 to the Pats for Jimmy Garoppolo. A little bit of a crazy scenario, but QBs could slide if it plays out that way.
Not sure why it would take a #5 for JG. Seems like #12 would be sufficient.


That brings up a good point, if Garopolo was available and the Texans could trade for him with the #25, would you pull that trigger?
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In reply to chjoak • 3:37p, 4/27/17
chjoak said:
rbcs_2 said:
There's a rumor swirling that the Browns will draft Garrett at #1, trade up to #5, and then trade #5 to the Pats for Jimmy Garoppolo. A little bit of a crazy scenario, but QBs could slide if it plays out that way.
Not sure why it would take a #5 for JG. Seems like #12 would be sufficient.
Unless McCaffrey is who the Pats covet. He makes more sense to me than Fournette.
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In reply to chjoak • 3:37p, 4/27/17
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I'd say you're right, but the Pats already said no to #12.
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