***TEXANS 2017 OFF SEASON***

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In reply to MelvinUdall • 10:38p, 4/4/17
nhayden said:
This offseason, what other QB was available that you thought they should go after? I will agree their ability to pick and develop no QB's is baffling, but this offseason what was your hope, outside of Romo.

It's not even so much the Romo thing, but that here we are going into year 4 of BOB's tenure and we still don't have a QB, and we still have a crap o-line, all of which were problems when he got here. Even when they do the right thing (signing Brock last off season) they **** it up (signing Brock last off season without consulting the head coach). We look for bandaid after bandaid but don't have a long term plan. And now seemingly a long term plan has been forced on the team which is pathetic.

There appears to be no plan, just careening from one event to the next, hoping to catch lightening in a bottle and somehow we never do (surprise, surprise). Barring a draft day miracle trade (something this management team has never done) it is pretty easy to predict another 9-7 at best year and another one and done trip to the playoffs. That is unless Tennessee or Indy decides to get better & then we might not even do that well. Either way you are not now, nor are you positioning yourself to be any time in the future, a serious threat to make a deep playoff run, much less a super bowl run.

So basically we know now, in early April, that the absolute ceiling for this season is Tallest Midget once again, and a draft spot somewhere in the 20's. And maybe a spot in the Garappollo sweepstakes in the offseason. But this time we'll definitely catch that lightening!
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1:22a, 4/5/17
Honestly I doubt BOB has any idea what he want's to do at QB We've done nothing since Schaub, drafting a compensatory 4th round pick on Savage bearly counts. They smartly forced Brock on BOB b/c they didn't want Hackenberg as the qb of the future. We need to draft a qb high, even if we got Romo. We need to take a chance on a qb for the future.
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In reply to pagerman @ work • 7:03a, 4/5/17
That's fair it's reason why asked the question the way I did, I was wondering if I had missed another option. No doubt this team is starring down another 7-9 to 9-7 type season, all because of the D. I think we can all agree that Savage can't be any worse than Brock.
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7:22a, 4/5/17
The Mahomes era is almost upon us!
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7:48a, 4/5/17
If Rick Smith really thought that he could "go for broke" with Romo like that then it should be the final nail in his coffin. Even if Romo had become available, there was no guarantee that the Texans would have outbid all of the other interested teams (I.e. - Broncos) for his services. He needed to have a back up plan for a QB anyway. And apparently he doesn't. As for drafting a QB, while that may be better over the long term, it's not going to be what they need for 2017. They are NOT going to find a Dak Prescott.
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In reply to ac • 8:29a, 4/5/17
ac said:
If Rick Smith really thought that he could "go for broke" with Romo like that then it should be the final nail in his coffin. Even if Romo had become available, there was no guarantee that the Texans would have outbid all of the other interested teams (I.e. - Broncos) for his services. He needed to have a back up plan for a QB anyway. And apparently he doesn't. As for drafting a QB, while that may be better over the long term, it's not going to be what they need for 2017. They are NOT going to find a Dak Prescott.


Smith is going nowhere.
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In reply to MelvinUdall • 8:36a, 4/5/17
nhayden said:
That's fair it's reason why asked the question the way I did, I was wondering if I had missed another option. No doubt this team is starring down another 7-9 to 9-7 type season, all because of the D. I think we can all agree that Savage can't be any worse than Brock.
Totally agree. Romo was a nice option if it ever happened, but it's still a huge positive to rid ourselves of Osweiller and his contract. I'm not seeing them going after Kap or Cutler or maybe anyone else. Think its likely they look at a later round QB and just give Savage a chance. Tough to have any optimism but just getting Osweiller out of there is still a huge positive for the team. And Watt is coming back as well, defense should be solid. Might have lost Bouye, but Johnson is coming back. There are still some options in free agency they should look at if QB prospects aren't there. Add a safety and DT, can't recall if Wilfork ever came out and affirmed whether he's coming back or considering retirement.

Home opponents (*playoff team): Arizona Cardinals, Cleveland Browns, Indianapolis Colts, Jacksonville Jaguars, Kansas City Chiefs*, Pittsburgh Steelers*, San Francisco 49ers, Tennessee Titans

Away opponents (*playoff team): Baltimore Ravens, Cincinnati Bengals, Indianapolis Colts, Jacksonville Jaguars, Los Angeles Rams, New England Patriots*, Seattle Seahawks*, Tennessee Titans

Tough to think with this schedule that there is a chance to do better than .500, (9-7) seems to be about as much as could be expected.

If they have another .500 season do they extend O'Brien?
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In reply to Max Power • 8:59a, 4/5/17
Max Power said:
nhayden said:
That's fair it's reason why asked the question the way I did, I was wondering if I had missed another option. No doubt this team is starring down another 7-9 to 9-7 type season, all because of the D. I think we can all agree that Savage can't be any worse than Brock.

If they have another .500 season do they extend O'Brien?
The real question is. If they don't give OB something to work with at QB, does he walk? He already hinted as his displeasure.
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In reply to Max Power • 9:01a, 4/5/17
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Home opponents (*playoff team): Arizona Cardinals, Cleveland Browns, Indianapolis Colts, Jacksonville Jaguars, Kansas City Chiefs*, Pittsburgh Steelers*, San Francisco 49ers, Tennessee Titans

Away opponents (*playoff team): Baltimore Ravens, Cincinnati Bengals, Indianapolis Colts, Jacksonville Jaguars, Los Angeles Rams, New England Patriots*, Seattle Seahawks*, Tennessee Titans
I see it like this:
HOME
ARI - Toss Up
CLE - Win
IND - Win
JAX - Win
KC - Loss
PIT - Loss
SF - Win
TEN - Win

AWAY
BAL - Loss
CIN - Win (because we somehow own them)
IND - Loss
JAX - Win
LA - Win
NE - Loss
SEA - Loss
TEN - Win

So it looks like 9-7 if you lose the toss up or another game somewhere (likely).
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9:21a, 4/5/17
Never thought I'd say this, but maybe this could be Johnny's comeback shot. The house of cards in Houston just folded - they got nothing to lose. Give him a shot with a heavy incentive clauses for playing time and performance. If he doesn't work out, you can always fall back to Savage/Weeden - which really isn't much worse that the idea of Kaeperkneel or Cutler.
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In reply to Max Power • 9:24a, 4/5/17
Max Power said:
nhayden said:
That's fair it's reason why asked the question the way I did, I was wondering if I had missed another option. No doubt this team is starring down another 7-9 to 9-7 type season, all because of the D. I think we can all agree that Savage can't be any worse than Brock.
Totally agree. Romo was a nice option if it ever happened, but it's still a huge positive to rid ourselves of Osweiller and his contract. I'm not seeing them going after Kap or Cutler or maybe anyone else. Think its likely they look at a later round QB and just give Savage a chance. Tough to have any optimism but just getting Osweiller out of there is still a huge positive for the team. And Watt is coming back as well, defense should be solid. Might have lost Bouye, but Johnson is coming back. There are still some options in free agency they should look at if QB prospects aren't there. Add a safety and DT, can't recall if Wilfork ever came out and affirmed whether he's coming back or considering retirement.

Home opponents (*playoff team): Arizona Cardinals, Cleveland Browns, Indianapolis Colts, Jacksonville Jaguars, Kansas City Chiefs*, Pittsburgh Steelers*, San Francisco 49ers, Tennessee Titans

Away opponents (*playoff team): Baltimore Ravens, Cincinnati Bengals, Indianapolis Colts, Jacksonville Jaguars, Los Angeles Rams, New England Patriots*, Seattle Seahawks*, Tennessee Titans

Tough to think with this schedule that there is a chance to do better than .500, (9-7) seems to be about as much as could be expected.

If they have another .500 season do they extend O'Brien?


I honestly believe that BOB will walk after this year if he is not let go, I think he is done with Smith and that will be the worst that happened to this organization outside of drafting Carr number one.
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In reply to AgsMyDude • 10:02a, 4/5/17
Hennessy11 said:
Max Power said:
nhayden said:
That's fair it's reason why asked the question the way I did, I was wondering if I had missed another option. No doubt this team is starring down another 7-9 to 9-7 type season, all because of the D. I think we can all agree that Savage can't be any worse than Brock.

If they have another .500 season do they extend O'Brien?
The real question is. If they don't give OB something to work with at QB, does he walk? He already hinted as his displeasure.
For him to walk, he would have to make a return to the college ranks. Does he want to do that? He can't leave for another NFL team without the Texans receiving some form of compensation.
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In reply to Max Power • 10:38a, 4/5/17
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Totally agree. Romo was a nice option if it ever happened, but it's still a huge positive to rid ourselves of Osweiller and his contract. I'm not seeing them going after Kap or Cutler or maybe anyone else. Think its likely they look at a later round QB and just give Savage a chance. Tough to have any optimism but just getting Osweiller out of there is still a huge positive for the team. And Watt is coming back as well, defense should be solid. Might have lost Bouye, but Johnson is coming back. There are still some options in free agency they should look at if QB prospects aren't there. Add a safety and DT, can't recall if Wilfork ever came out and affirmed whether he's coming back or considering retirement.
Which is all well and good, but what is the plan for getting better? Are we just going to float around at .500 and hope for a miracle?

We let Bouye go because we didn't want to overpay for him, ostensibly because we wanted as much cap space as possible to sign Romo. Oops.

We didn't sign any free agent o-linemen in free agency, ostensibly because we wanted as much cap space as possible to sign Romo. Oops again.

If I'm a defensive player and I'm gearing up to put myself through the physical and mental grind of a football season (particularly if I am coming off an injury (looking at you JJ), am I really that motivated? Am I inspired to believe that Tom Savage is going to be the guy to take this team to the next level? And if I'm not, then what do the prospects for the next 2-4 years look like? Do I like the idea that I'm going to have to play my guts out to try to keep games close and hope for something positive from Tom Savage or as "miscellaneous mid-round draft pick" learns BOB's offense on the job?
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In reply to ac • 10:44a, 4/5/17
I think O'Brien is coaching the Texans for a long time. But if it came down to it, he wouldn't have any problem going the college route. He's spent a lot of his career at that level.
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In reply to rbcs_2 • 11:04a, 4/5/17
rbcs_2 said:
I think O'Brien is coaching the Texans for a long time. But if it came down to it, he wouldn't have any problem going the college route. He's spent a lot of his career at that level.


He could have had his pick of NFL jobs this offseason, my money is on him staying in the Pros.
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In reply to MelvinUdall • 11:21a, 4/5/17
That's precisely what I said I think will happen as well.
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In reply to ac • 11:44a, 4/5/17
ac said:
Hennessy11 said:
Max Power said:
nhayden said:
That's fair it's reason why asked the question the way I did, I was wondering if I had missed another option. No doubt this team is starring down another 7-9 to 9-7 type season, all because of the D. I think we can all agree that Savage can't be any worse than Brock.

If they have another .500 season do they extend O'Brien?
The real question is. If they don't give OB something to work with at QB, does he walk? He already hinted as his displeasure.
For him to walk, he would have to make a return to the college ranks. Does he want to do that? He can't leave for another NFL team without the Texans receiving some form of compensation.
I'm aware of this, doesn't mean another team couldn't offer to pay his buyout or whatever might be owed to us. I was just saying he wasn't happy last year and if we don't get him someone to work with, he might want to leave.
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In reply to AgsMyDude • 12:33p, 4/5/17
Hennessy11 said:
ac said:
Hennessy11 said:
Max Power said:
nhayden said:
That's fair it's reason why asked the question the way I did, I was wondering if I had missed another option. No doubt this team is starring down another 7-9 to 9-7 type season, all because of the D. I think we can all agree that Savage can't be any worse than Brock.

If they have another .500 season do they extend O'Brien?
The real question is. If they don't give OB something to work with at QB, does he walk? He already hinted as his displeasure.
For him to walk, he would have to make a return to the college ranks. Does he want to do that? He can't leave for another NFL team without the Texans receiving some form of compensation.
I'm aware of this, doesn't mean another team couldn't offer to pay his buyout or whatever might be owed to us. I was just saying he wasn't happy last year and if we don't get him someone to work with, he might want to leave.
The Texans would request draft picks as compensation. Do other teams think that BoB is so great that they would be willing to give them up to hire him?
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In reply to ac • 1:12p, 4/5/17
ac said:
Hennessy11 said:
ac said:
Hennessy11 said:
Max Power said:
nhayden said:
That's fair it's reason why asked the question the way I did, I was wondering if I had missed another option. No doubt this team is starring down another 7-9 to 9-7 type season, all because of the D. I think we can all agree that Savage can't be any worse than Brock.

If they have another .500 season do they extend O'Brien?
The real question is. If they don't give OB something to work with at QB, does he walk? He already hinted as his displeasure.
For him to walk, he would have to make a return to the college ranks. Does he want to do that? He can't leave for another NFL team without the Texans receiving some form of compensation.
I'm aware of this, doesn't mean another team couldn't offer to pay his buyout or whatever might be owed to us. I was just saying he wasn't happy last year and if we don't get him someone to work with, he might want to leave.
The Texans would request draft picks as compensation. Do other teams think that BoB is so great that they would be willing to give them up to hire him?


Are you suggesting that teams that hired new coaches wouldn't have wanted BoB? I am willing to bet a couple of them for sure.
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In reply to MelvinUdall • 1:28p, 4/5/17
nhayden said:
ac said:
Hennessy11 said:
ac said:
Hennessy11 said:
Max Power said:
nhayden said:
That's fair it's reason why asked the question the way I did, I was wondering if I had missed another option. No doubt this team is starring down another 7-9 to 9-7 type season, all because of the D. I think we can all agree that Savage can't be any worse than Brock.

If they have another .500 season do they extend O'Brien?
The real question is. If they don't give OB something to work with at QB, does he walk? He already hinted as his displeasure.
For him to walk, he would have to make a return to the college ranks. Does he want to do that? He can't leave for another NFL team without the Texans receiving some form of compensation.
I'm aware of this, doesn't mean another team couldn't offer to pay his buyout or whatever might be owed to us. I was just saying he wasn't happy last year and if we don't get him someone to work with, he might want to leave.
The Texans would request draft picks as compensation. Do other teams think that BoB is so great that they would be willing to give them up to hire him?


Are you suggesting that teams that hired new coaches wouldn't have wanted BoB? I am willing to bet a couple of them for sure.
If he weren't under contract to another team and required no compensation in return, then yes, I think some would. However, when compensation is required, it might be a different story. Especially when there are plenty of qualified candidates that can be hired without restrictions. And even if this were a possibility, don't you think that the Texans would limit his potential destinations? He more than likely would be restricted to NFC teams only.
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In reply to ac • 1:36p, 4/5/17
ac said:
nhayden said:
ac said:
Hennessy11 said:
ac said:
Hennessy11 said:
Max Power said:
nhayden said:
That's fair it's reason why asked the question the way I did, I was wondering if I had missed another option. No doubt this team is starring down another 7-9 to 9-7 type season, all because of the D. I think we can all agree that Savage can't be any worse than Brock.

If they have another .500 season do they extend O'Brien?
The real question is. If they don't give OB something to work with at QB, does he walk? He already hinted as his displeasure.
For him to walk, he would have to make a return to the college ranks. Does he want to do that? He can't leave for another NFL team without the Texans receiving some form of compensation.
I'm aware of this, doesn't mean another team couldn't offer to pay his buyout or whatever might be owed to us. I was just saying he wasn't happy last year and if we don't get him someone to work with, he might want to leave.
The Texans would request draft picks as compensation. Do other teams think that BoB is so great that they would be willing to give them up to hire him?


Are you suggesting that teams that hired new coaches wouldn't have wanted BoB? I am willing to bet a couple of them for sure.
If he weren't under contract to another team and required no compensation in return, then yes, I think some would. However, when compensation is required, it might be a different story. Especially when there are plenty of qualified candidates that can be hired without restrictions. And even if this were a possibility, don't you think that the Texans would limit his potential destinations? He more than likely would be restricted to NFC teams only.


Ah yes, I was just thinking of him as a coach free to make a change, my bad. My guess, is no on them compensating the Texans for BoB.
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5:21p, 4/5/17
what about Hopkins walking away because of the QB situation?
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In reply to ac • 5:29p, 4/5/17
ac said:
Hennessy11 said:
ac said:
Hennessy11 said:
Max Power said:
nhayden said:
That's fair it's reason why asked the question the way I did, I was wondering if I had missed another option. No doubt this team is starring down another 7-9 to 9-7 type season, all because of the D. I think we can all agree that Savage can't be any worse than Brock.

If they have another .500 season do they extend O'Brien?
The real question is. If they don't give OB something to work with at QB, does he walk? He already hinted as his displeasure.
For him to walk, he would have to make a return to the college ranks. Does he want to do that? He can't leave for another NFL team without the Texans receiving some form of compensation.
I'm aware of this, doesn't mean another team couldn't offer to pay his buyout or whatever might be owed to us. I was just saying he wasn't happy last year and if we don't get him someone to work with, he might want to leave.
The Texans would request draft picks as compensation. Do other teams think that BoB is so great that they would be willing to give them up to hire him?
Who knows? It's not impossible if he really wants out. He'd go back to college first anyway.
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2:39p, 4/6/17



Bilbobag get someone to shut this clown up


You know I had to

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8:14a, 4/7/17
Whatever McClain says, it's usually the opposite. No idea why he's considered a credible source league-wide.
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8:39a, 4/7/17
I don't know the truth, but it's rather convenient for OBrien now that it comes out he never wanted him. Maybe I missed it, but was there ever any reports that he wasn't fully on board when it happened?
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In reply to BMX Bandit • 8:56a, 4/7/17
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I don't know the truth, but it's rather convenient for OBrien now that it comes out he never wanted him. Maybe I missed it, but was there ever any reports that he wasn't fully on board when it happened?
Why would reports come out? You think he is just going to sabotage his team's chemistry like that going into the season?

People in the organization know the truth one way or the other. I trust what Bilbo says.
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9:35a, 4/7/17
Leaks always happen and rumors akways swirl.

It wouldn't be a matter of sabotaging the team.
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10:56a, 4/7/17
I've always thought McClain is the megaphone for Rick Smith. Always proTexan and pro-leadership.

Useful in that regard, but incapable of critical thought.
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11:12a, 4/7/17
Interesting complete Texans mock from Josh Norris

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/71078/271/nfl-draft-needs-texans
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In reply to BMX Bandit • 12:13p, 4/7/17
BMX Bandit said:
Leaks always happen and rumors akways swirl.

It wouldn't be a matter of sabotaging the team.


Umm I would think the shouting match earlier in the season would have been a clue they were having issues.
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In reply to LilSebastian13 • 12:14p, 4/7/17
LilSebastian13 said:
Interesting complete Texans mock from Josh Norris

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/71078/271/nfl-draft-needs-texans

I am OK with that draft.
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In reply to MelvinUdall • 12:16p, 4/7/17
nhayden said:
LilSebastian13 said:
Interesting complete Texans mock from Josh Norris

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/71078/271/nfl-draft-needs-texans

I am OK with that draft.
I am too, but I want someone besides Webb in round 2. I cannot see him as a NFL starter.
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 12:20p, 4/7/17
aggie1906 said:
nhayden said:
LilSebastian13 said:
Interesting complete Texans mock from Josh Norris

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/71078/271/nfl-draft-needs-texans

I am OK with that draft.
I am too, but I want someone besides Webb in round 2. I cannot see him as a NFL starter.
Agree. Replace Webb with Peterman and I would be happy
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