Logos Stick said:

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Lolololol.... Bessent actually said this about the Big Garbage Bill:

"This is the start of addressing the debt"


To address the debt, we must pile on more debt!!!!!!!!

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So because we turned the world upside down for a year (and it caused huge problems that we're still handling), cutting 10% of gdp overnight with no offsets and no expiration dates is no problem?

My man, your argument doesn't make sense.

BREAKING: By a vote of 49-51, the Senate has just REJECTED an amendment which would have funded Planned Parenthood as part of the BBB.

Important win. pic.twitter.com/Hf3rXXkdma

— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) June 30, 2025

Deputy Travis Junior said:

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So because we turned the world upside down for a year (and it caused huge problems that we're still handling), cutting 10% of gdp overnight with no offsets and no expiration dates is no problem?

My man, your argument doesn't make sense.

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Fine, make an exit plan. Offsets, transition, ramp down. Whatever. And nobody said there won't be turbulence... But we go through that every summer when the Democrats decide to make a new issue their protest point...

Farmer_J said:

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Trump can't fix everything in DC in six months.

The budget is a symptom, not the problem in DC. We were just invaded by 20 million foreigners. We have to clean up that mess and fix corruption in DC and then the budget will take care of itself.

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The budget isn't taking care of itself. It is out of control, getting worse, and MAGA is tackling the problem by running anti Massey ads.

Deputy Travis Junior said:

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Farmer_J said:

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Trump can't fix everything in DC in six months.

The budget is a symptom, not the problem in DC. We were just invaded by 20 million foreigners. We have to clean up that mess and fix corruption in DC and then the budget will take care of itself.

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The budget isn't taking care of itself. It is out of control, getting worse, and MAGA is tackling the problem by running anti Massey ads.

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Massie and Rand are open border frauds. We were just invaded, if you don't fix that, You will never, ever even have a chance at fixing any other issue in the country.

Everything is downstream from immigration.

Deputy Travis Junior said:

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Tom Fox said:

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The conclusion is to cut entitlements. Nowhere in the constitution are they mandated. In fact the current interactions are products of the last 100 years with most from the past 65 years.

Gut them and then take stock of where we are with the budget and only then can we discuss tax increases on those already almost entirely footing the bill.

The gold is the area where entitlement spending is located. Do you see the issue?

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Tens of millions of people who have very little saved are depending on social security. I think it's a terribly run waste of money that shouldn't exist, but "gut it!" is not a serious proposal. The social upheaval would be humongous.

I don't think there's a good answer. An annual tax increase amounting to 6-7% of gdp (2 trillion) would crush growth, so that's not on the table, but I think that tax increases have to be part of the solution. I DO think we should do them across the board because everybody needs to feel the pain of our decades of irresponsibility. The rich should not pick up the tab for everybody.

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I pay right at 30% just in fed income taxes while almost half pay nothing. The same people sucking up the entitlements. How much more should I pay for other people to survive?

F that! Gut it. Pay off the debt then cut taxes on those paying for everything.

Spending is not downstream. If anything curtailing SPENDING via welfare/entitlements will help immigration..

Ag_of_08 said:

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Spending is not downstream. If anything curtailing SPENDING via welfare/entitlements will help immigration..

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Not when the immigrants and their anchor babies are voting for it. Or corrupt. federal judges mandate it. Are you gonna turn them away at emergency rooms? Are you gonna bar them from being accepted at public schools? No.....

You have to understand that everything is downstream from immigration.

AggieMac06 said:

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No, they removed the tax stamp, but kept the registration. They are about to be stupidly easy to get at a place like SilencerShop. I think the $200 less cost will encourage use, then allowing g GOA to sue since there is no tax but just a registry.

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I care more about the registry than the tax...

You're free to think whatever you want, but it's not a serious position. In no universe are we going to flip the switch and deprive tens of millions of boomers of the money that they're using to pay their bills (and seriously, eliminating ~10% of GDP that quickly would be a disaster).

The best we can hope for is a 10-15 year phase-out or privatization. (And even that won't be a discussable issue until 2030 or 2031 when the current set up is on the cusp of collapse.)

Hence why I said just cut my taxes, keep printing money to cover it, and let me use my earning to prepare my family for the world post collapse.

Anything other than gutting spending is an utter BS position and theft from the producers.

You have to understand that illegal immigrants can't vote, and that it's not necessary, prudent, ornan absolute priority to crack down on immigration BEFORE we stop spending like drunken teenagers with daddys CC

Stopping illegal immigration would be great...if there was a country left to be prosperous afterwards..

Good news on the gun front:

🚨BREAKING🚨
 
$0 NFA tax stamps for suppressors & short-barreled firearms (SBRs, SBSs, & AOWs) clears the "Byrd Bath" with the Parliamentarian.
 
But, gun owners should not give up on a full NFA tax strike. @LeaderJohnThune & @JDVance must fire/overrule the Parliamentarian! 🔥

— Gun Owners of America (@GunOwners) June 30, 2025

Planned Parenthood infanticide funding struck:

This was a "free vote" given to Collins once the GOP had the votes they needed.

This is a vote that bolsters Collins in Maine. https://t.co/p5eieSI3sZ

— Shipwreckedcrew (@shipwreckedcrew) June 30, 2025

Me too but I hope this allows the NFA to be challenged in court now. The only reason it stood in 1937 is because it was a tax. With no tax, it is unconstitutional.

This is what burns me up

The US Senate just REJECTED the measure to remove 1.4 MILLION illegals from Medicaid, all because Thune REFUSES to fire the Parliamentarian

She’s forcing this provision to need 60 VOTES. pic.twitter.com/3DgXqEiWeP

— D. Scott @eclipsethis2003 (@eclipsethis2003) June 30, 2025

There is no need to fire her when Vance can just overrule her.

Have we heard from Vance on this?

Ag_of_08 said:

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You have to understand that illegal immigrants can't vote, and that it's not necessary, prudent, ornan absolute priority to crack down on immigration BEFORE we stop spending like drunken teenagers with daddys CC

Stopping illegal immigration would be great...if there was a country left to be prosperous afterwards..

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You cannot be any more wrong. Illegal immigrants are counted in the census. This probably gave dems 40 seats. Not to mention all the mayors, governors state representative across the country.

You think you're going to be able to fix issues with ten - twenty - thirty million illegal aliens in the country? Are you going to deny them?Access to emergency rooms and hospitals? Are you going to keep them out of public schools? No. That's why we have to deport, and make as many as we can self deport.

Farmer_J said:

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Ag_of_08 said:

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You have to understand that illegal immigrants can't vote, and that it's not necessary, prudent, ornan absolute priority to crack down on immigration BEFORE we stop spending like drunken teenagers with daddys CC

Stopping illegal immigration would be great...if there was a country left to be prosperous afterwards..

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You cannot be any more wrong. Illegal immigrants are counted in the census. This probably gave dems 40 seats. Not to mention all the mayors, governors state representative across the country.

You think you're going to be able to fix issues with ten - twenty - thirty million illegal aliens in the country? Are you going to deny them?Access to emergency rooms and hospitals? Are you going to keep them out of public schools? No. That's why we have to deport, and make as many as we can self deport.

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Exactly. Cracking down on illegal immigration is akin to spending one dollar now to save two dollars later.
Normally I'd agree that cutting spending is always the priority, but in this instance it's foolish to say we shouldn't spend one dollar now because that costs too much. Unless the alternative is to cut spending in areas that attracts illegals, like welfare and free access to our public services.

Im Gipper said:

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There is no need to fire her when Vance can just overrule her.

Have we heard from Vance on this?

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The problem is a bit more nuanced as Thune/the Senate adopted the rules they operate by at the beginning of this congress, which stipulates that she/this parliamentarian position has the power to decide if it's a budgetary item or not, and if not, it takes 60 votes to over-rule. Thune could (a) fire her, though that would be a political firestorm itself and he's opted not to do so, or (b) deal with her decisions and try to over-rule them thus via the 60-vote requirement.

The problem is that changing the rule now would be very difficult as more than 10 or so GOP senators probably like the pork they are getting as a consequence of the deal making in the bill as-is, and if a conservative were in her role they would not get as much. Think; Tillis, Murk, Collins, Curtis, Graham, among others. If you can't get a rule change, and can't fire/replace her, you are stuck with 60 votes to over-rule. Vance is just a tie-breaker.

And all these pearl clutching screaming Mimi's that are crying, raising the debt are all based in their criticism of the CBO, which is always wrong. The CBO in 2017 said Trump's bill budget was gonna wreck the economy. Inflation was gonna go off the hook and everything in the world he was doing fine till Covid hit.

It's still my theory Trump was killing China so bad and his first term that they being China with an assist from Fauci deliberately spike the punch and ran Covid through our economy and killed our economy

They all said tariffs were gonna crush us

CNBC: "We are collecting A LOT of revenue" from tariffs — and we're expecting another big increase for June.

"That is money coming in to U.S. coffers ... It's increasingly a lot, especially since we haven't seen it in terms of the consumer paying off higher inflation." pic.twitter.com/0vlbF9vJTI

— Rapid Response 47 (@RapidResponse47) June 30, 2025

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DamnGood86 said:

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None of this matters. The current international monetary system, established by the Bretton Woods Agreement in 1944, is a pyramid scheme based on ever expanding credit (debt), both public and private. It is coming to its natural end and nothing can stop it.

We should each figure out how to personally best navigate a collapse of the current system, and subsequent creation of the next. My theory is: don't have any debt, own hard assets and have a strategy to try and hold on to those assets.

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What hard assets and what strategies to hold on to them?

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I wish I knew. When I say "hold on to them", I mean financially. Though I suppose it is possible, it is difficult to imagine a scenario where we devolve into anarchy.

If you held GM stock in 2008, it went to zero when the government bailed out GM and created a "new" company. I believe anything you own that is only a piece of paper or an entry in a database, could be at risk. You want to eliminate third party risk; eliminate the chance of someone else's mistakes bringing you down.

If you physically possess an asset, it should be safer. If you own real estate with no debt, you could only loose it through confiscation, which would be unlikely, or taxation. No third party risk. Hold some precious metals so you can pay taxes even if the US dollar fails. Not paper gold, but actually possess it in a sufficient quantity to have some measure of financial protection.

The next 10-15 years will be a pretty wild ride.

Didn't Trump say something to the effect on one of the reconciliation bills he signed in his last term that he'd sign it, but never again?

AggieMac06 said:

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Me too but I hope this allows the NFA to be challenged in court now. The only reason it stood in 1937 is because it was a tax. With no tax, it is unconstitutional.

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We can dream.

AggieMac06 said:

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Me too but I hope this allows the NFA to be challenged in court now. The only reason it stood in 1937 is because it was a tax. With no tax, it is unconstitutional.

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Good point. Do you know the name of the court case? I'd love to read through it.

If there is no tax, and there is no "registry" - what's the point? Kill it now before the democrats are able to re-instate the tax.


Edit: Found it - Sonzinsky v. United States. It appears that case was more about the tax on dealers and not on transfers. So not sure how easy it would be to challenge the transfer part even without a tax. One could argue what is the point of the legislation if it is NOT to tax? If it no longer has a tax purpose it should be null and void unless they can defend it by some other reasoning. And if a court case was rushed to take advantage of a Trump DOJ would they protest it or just say "you are right - we're just gonna drop this part of the NFA and admit defeat" wink wink.

I love how as always over the last 50 years...

the "conservative" grifters always prance in front of the cameras voting against conservative bills because they are "not conservative enough"

and meanwhile in the REAL WORLD if they tank the bill, then the leftists will get to create the NEXT replacement bill!!

and their supporters play right along.

how many times does one have to explain that with a 3 seat majority- if you tank the bills then the DEMOCRATS get to decide what goes into the replacement bill?!?!

literal insanity and stupidity.

so the "conservatives" can either get this:

The One Big Beautiful Bill delivers funding and tools that are much needed at our borders:
Finishes the wall
Hires 10,000 ICE agents
Funds 1M removals of illegal aliens

This bill puts an end to the chaos at our borders.

OR....

have the greatest tax increase in US history, tank the economy, and ensure the Democrats take back Congress in 2026.

LMCane said:

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so the "conservatives" can either get this:

The One Big Beautiful Bill delivers funding and tools that are much needed at our borders:
Finishes the wall
Hires 10,000 ICE agents
Funds 1M removals of illegal aliens

This bill puts an end to the chaos at our borders.

OR....

have the greatest tax increase in US history, tank the economy, and ensure the Democrats take back Congress in 2026.

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Those aren't the only options. Congress can work on multiple bills, item by item and do it responsibly. But instead they've wasted time during Trump's first year in office (yet again) trying to cram bull**** down our throats and using threats like the above to justify voting for garbage.

Why can't we address this separately without adding another $3 trillion to the deficit by adding hundreds of other pointless items we can't afford into "one big beautiful bill?"

The Senate bill is as big as CARES, American Rescue Plan, Bipartisan Infrastructure, and CHIPS combined. pic.twitter.com/gsGFWxoOwT

— Marc Goldwein (@MarcGoldwein) July 1, 2025

LMCane said:

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I love how as always over the last 50 years...

the "conservative" grifters always prance in front of the cameras voting against conservative bills because they are "not conservative enough"

and meanwhile in the REAL WORLD if they tank the bill, then the leftists will get to create the NEXT replacement bill!!

and their supporters play right along.

how many times does one have to explain that with a 3 seat majority- if you tank the bills then the DEMOCRATS get to decide what goes into the replacement bill?!?!

literal insanity and stupidity.

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You really think we'll wait to fund the government for 1.5 years? One can dream at least...

Also - these politicians are like children. They need to be taught a lesson that they can learn from otherwise they will keep doing this again and again and again...

Its literal insanity and stupidity to keep allowing this country to be driven into the ground by these selfish politicians.

If those numbers are accurate, LMAO!

I read that the Senate added $1 trillion to the House bill.

esteban said:

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The Senate bill is as big as CARES, American Rescue Plan, Bipartisan Infrastructure, and CHIPS combined. pic.twitter.com/gsGFWxoOwT

— Marc Goldwein (@MarcGoldwein) July 1, 2025

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Come on! Tax bills never produce the supposed increase in deficits that is predicted. Tax revenue has stayed consistent over the last 25 years increasing slowly no matter the rates,