annie88 said:

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P.H. Dexippus said:

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I have a man crush on Chip Roy. That is all.

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I'm not surprised.

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lol pretend like you know me. What are my politics?

annie88 said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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BMX Bandit said:

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Chip Roy will be called a RINO and calls for him to be primaried. Fiscal conservatism is no longer a thing.

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Compromise used to be a positive thing. Roy killing all good things because he didn't get his one good things is not the person we need representing our interests.

He and the others are just holding out to get their name out. But there was much more consensus behind Trump this time and they are being foolish and self serving.

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This.

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Is there any level of spending that Trump pushes where you would not support Trump? Do you even know what's in this bill? Do you care?

Logos Stick said:

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Last year when the Rs passed the CR twice, all the "conservatives" told us to be strategic. Don't hold out for spending cuts. Get in line so we can win the election. Wait for reconciliation next year to get the spending cuts. We'll get cuts then.

Now we hear the same. Be strategic. Don't sacrifice good on the alter of perfect. Get in line. Ad nauseum.

Im beginning to think most conservative posters on this board are either paid liberals or AI bots.

We will run $2 trillion deficits until it all collapses. And it will collapse. Interest on the debt this FY will be more than $1 trillion.

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next time. just be patient

samurai_science said:

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samurai_science said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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BMX Bandit said:

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Chip Roy will be called a RINO and calls for him to be primaried. Fiscal conservatism is no longer a thing.

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Compromise used to be a positive thing. Roy killing all good things because he didn't get his one good things is not the person we need representing our interests.

He and the others are just holding out to get their name out. But there was much more consensus behind Trump this time and they are being foolish and self serving.

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Compromise got us 30T in debt and gave us such gems as the Patriot Act. Its overrated

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30T in debt was only caused by compromise if one of the parties didn't want to spend like drunken sailors.

So in this case, our debt is a result of not compromising at all.

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No Rs compromised and gave the other side what they wanted.

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Not really. The Republicans didn't want to cut spending, either.

In that respect, there was nothing to compromise on.

Logos Stick said:

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Last year when the Rs passed the CR twice, all the "conservatives" told us to be strategic. Don't hold out for spending cuts. Get in line so we can win the election. Wait for reconciliation next year to get the spending cuts. We'll get cuts then.

Now we hear the same. Be strategic. Don't sacrifice good on the alter of perfect. Get in line. Ad nauseum.

Im beginning to think most conservative posters on this board are either paid liberals or AI bots.

We will run $2 trillion deficits until it all collapses. And it will collapse. Interest on the debt this FY will be more than $1 trillion.

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Yeah, we are never going to pay this debt off as it currently stands.

Part of me has wondered if the tariff negotiations with China are not the beginnings of conversations that will force them into forgiving most of our debt.

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Yeah, we are never going to pay this debt off as it currently stands.

Part of me has wondered if the tariff negotiations with China are not the beginnings of conversations that will force them into forgiving most of our debt.

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I ponder as well if this is not a huge bat held over their have regarding Taiwan.

Would we make debt payments to an established enemy in active conflict with our interest? Biden / Dems maybe, but not under Trump.

We absolutely have to have a backup plan along these lines. You know we do. Because we are never going to pay this debt off.

There's something like 100 trillion dollars that exist in the world in circulation today.

We owe 37 trillion in debt with over 1 trillion in debt compounding as interest this year alone.

Just the typical lip service to spending cuts but pushing them out to 2029. Then it can be used as a wedge issue in 2028 by both sides. Raise money. Rinse and repeat. Roy and a few others are the only ones that want to make any actual cuts.

Everyone else is happy fooling/scamming the coops and annies of the world.

BoydCrowder13 said:

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Just the typical lip service to spending cuts but pushing them out to 2029. Then it can be used as a wedge issue in 2028 by both sides. Raise money. Rinse and repeat. Roy and a few others are the only ones that want to make any actual cuts.

Everyone else is happy fooling/scamming the coops and annies of the world.

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I agree with the guy, but I also recognize that he and his three other cohorts are never going to get everything they want. They just aren't. That's reality.

And instead of taking the 90% for his constituents and the citizens of this country, he's going to hold it hostage and possibly cost Americans a lot of really good stuff because he's not getting 100% of what he wants.

That's the issue. It's not whether he's right or not, because he is. It's whether or not there's a snowball's chance in hell of him actually procuring what he's going on about, and taking the entire country down the drain with him if he doesn't get it.

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Logos Stick said:

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Last year when the Rs passed the CR twice, all the "conservatives" told us to be strategic. Don't hold out for spending cuts. Get in line so we can win the election. Wait for reconciliation next year to get the spending cuts. We'll get cuts then.

Now we hear the same. Be strategic. Don't sacrifice good on the alter of perfect. Get in line. Ad nauseum.

Im beginning to think most conservative posters on this board are either paid liberals or AI bots.

We will run $2 trillion deficits until it all collapses. And it will collapse. Interest on the debt this FY will be more than $1 trillion.

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Yeah, we are never going to pay this debt off as it currently stands.

Part of me has wondered if the tariff negotiations with China are not the beginnings of conversations that will force them into forgiving most of our debt.

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I'm ok with carrying debt. The main issue imo is the debt to GDP ratio and the interest we have to pay. Interest on the debt will soon surpass every entitlement.

The World Bank did a study and found that a debt-to-GDP ratio above 77% for extended periods can reduce economic growth. For every additional percentage point of debt above this threshold, annual real GDP growth may decrease by approximately 1.7%.

If that is true, that cuts our GDP in half.

We are around 125% debt to GDP. We need to significantly reduce deficit spending now!

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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Just the typical lip service to spending cuts but pushing them out to 2029. Then it can be used as a wedge issue in 2028 by both sides. Raise money. Rinse and repeat. Roy and a few others are the only ones that want to make any actual cuts.

Everyone else is happy fooling/scamming the coops and annies of the world.

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I agree with the guy, but I also recognize that he and his three other cohorts are never going to get everything they want. They just aren't. That's reality.

And instead of taking the 90% for his constituents and the citizens of this country, he's going to hold it hostage and possibly cost Americans a lot of really good stuff because he's not getting 100% of what he wants.

That's the issue. It's not whether he's right or not, because he is. It's whether or not there's a snowball's chance in hell of him actually procuring what he's going on about, and taking the entire country down the drain with him if he doesn't get it.

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Correct. I am anything but naive on the matter, but it makes those who champion stalemates (which absolutely hand all wins to the libs) feel better to dismiss folks with a realistic take on what can be done.

If Chip Roy the Govt Spending Wizard was so great at his cause, he would have been able to get support amongst his fellow members. Or he would have understand the broader picture and gone along with the bigger plan, the bigger picture.

But know, Mr. Washington DC Chip Roy is actually looking out for the citizens of his district in Texas? Nothing about his resume speaks to his. Borned and raised in the DC area, college in Virginia, Law School at t.u., a quiet, short IB stint then a career in politics.

But now, on the verge of the BBB, he is going to stop all that DC spending?

And I am the one being fooled and scammed? That is some comedic gold.

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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Just the typical lip service to spending cuts but pushing them out to 2029. Then it can be used as a wedge issue in 2028 by both sides. Raise money. Rinse and repeat. Roy and a few others are the only ones that want to make any actual cuts.

Everyone else is happy fooling/scamming the coops and annies of the world.

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I agree with the guy, but I also recognize that he and his three other cohorts are never going to get everything they want. They just aren't. That's reality.

And instead of taking the 90% for his constituents and the citizens of this country, he's going to hold it hostage and possibly cost Americans a lot of really good stuff because he's not getting 100% of what he wants.

That's the issue. It's not whether he's right or not, because he is. It's whether or not there's a snowball's chance in hell of him actually procuring what he's going on about, and taking the entire country down the drain with him if he doesn't get it.

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While overall true, I think we need to see what makes the bill before we can say this. We already know there are no spending cuts in it that matter. At all. Which means we are simply running out the clock on the country and we all hope the music doesn't stop while we are alive.

So, what are we getting that's good while we wait for the inevitable collapse?

YouBet said:

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While overall true, I think we need to see what makes the bill before we can say this. We already know there are no spending cuts in it that matter. At all. Which means we are simply running out the clock on the country and we all hope the music doesn't stop while we are alive.

So, what are we getting that's good while we wait for the inevitable collapse?

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Tax cuts for just about every American, effective rate cuts for businesses, and a projected increase in tax revenues resulting from businesses of $4 trillion.

flown-the-coop said:

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4 said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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Just the typical lip service to spending cuts but pushing them out to 2029. Then it can be used as a wedge issue in 2028 by both sides. Raise money. Rinse and repeat. Roy and a few others are the only ones that want to make any actual cuts.

Everyone else is happy fooling/scamming the coops and annies of the world.

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I agree with the guy, but I also recognize that he and his three other cohorts are never going to get everything they want. They just aren't. That's reality.

And instead of taking the 90% for his constituents and the citizens of this country, he's going to hold it hostage and possibly cost Americans a lot of really good stuff because he's not getting 100% of what he wants.

That's the issue. It's not whether he's right or not, because he is. It's whether or not there's a snowball's chance in hell of him actually procuring what he's going on about, and taking the entire country down the drain with him if he doesn't get it.

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Correct. I am anything but naive on the matter, but it makes those who champion stalemates (which absolutely hand all wins to the libs) feel better to dismiss folks with a realistic take on what can be done.

If Chip Roy the Govt Spending Wizard was so great at his cause, he would have been able to get support amongst his fellow members. Or he would have understand the broader picture and gone along with the bigger plan, the bigger picture.

But know, Mr. Washington DC Chip Roy is actually looking out for the citizens of his district in Texas? Nothing about his resume speaks to his. Borned and raised in the DC area, college in Virginia, Law School at t.u., a quiet, short IB stint then a career in politics.

But now, on the verge of the BBB, he is going to stop all that DC spending?

And I am the one being fooled and scammed? That is some comedic gold.

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Bold is extremely naive. No one is going to get support of enough votes that matter to cut spending because (1) almost the entirety of Congress is there to enrich themselves as much as they can before the crash, and (2) the American populace would vote them out if they did it.

Half the population pays nothing in tax and Trump is trying to increase that number with his next tax plan.

There is no way out of this. The bigger picture is that we are going to collapse under the weight of our debt and there is no way out of it so if that's your bigger picture and are fine with it, then ok.

How dare he! doesn't he know all this has ever been is theatrics, and all we really want is to argue over $5 Billion here or there, but just rubber stamp the other $7 Trillion in spending? Screw the actual numbers as long as we can claim the win for Trump!

flown-the-coop said:

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While overall true, I think we need to see what makes the bill before we can say this. We already know there are no spending cuts in it that matter. At all. Which means we are simply running out the clock on the country and we all hope the music doesn't stop while we are alive.

So, what are we getting that's good while we wait for the inevitable collapse?

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Tax cuts for just about every American, effective rate cuts for businesses, and a projected increase in tax revenues resulting from businesses of $4 trillion.

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Extension of existing tax brackets with the only tax cuts for the bottom rungs of the remaining producers thereby removing them from having any skin in the game once they no longer pay taxes as well.

And a tax increase for the top tax bracket if Trump gets his way. So, an even more progressive system.

I'm cool with all of this if the bottom half doesn't get to vote.

The issue with "now" vs other bills down the road isn't the House, it's the Senate.

They can use reconciliation for the One BBB. Any subsequent bills will require 66 votes to pass and the Dems are going to party line vote against anything that the Republicans propose.

That's my understanding at least. No other bills can use reconciliation.

FIRST: Trump = miles better than the alternatives.

But, anyone who thinks Trump gives a rat's arse about "spending too much" compared to his "legacy" does not understand him (or his history) very well. Really, what DOGE has done has been great, but
all of Doge
+ the "rain" of money from the tariffs
+ an increase of taxes on the most wealthy

will not pay for continuing Trumps taxcuts and his legacy projects.

Much less have anything left over for reducing the budget.

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Chip Roy is becoming increasingly annoying with this.

And I agree with Gipper, Trump should light these ****ers up for not toeing the line.

Get the bill done. If what Chip Roy and a few others wanted was popular, they would be in the bill.

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So you want medicare reform to pretend to start in 2029...and you want to keep the Biden green new deal fully funded.

Maybe your're not the conservative...

flown-the-coop said:

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YouBet said:

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While overall true, I think we need to see what makes the bill before we can say this. We already know there are no spending cuts in it that matter. At all. Which means we are simply running out the clock on the country and we all hope the music doesn't stop while we are alive.

So, what are we getting that's good while we wait for the inevitable collapse?

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Tax cuts for just about every American, effective rate cuts for businesses, and a projected increase in tax revenues resulting from businesses of $4 trillion.

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Tax cuts are like great man....oh but maybe we should actually cut spending while we reduce taxes...otherwise we bankrupt the country even faster than we are.

This is the China First strategy....

Trump wants to sign a bill with tax cuts. He doesn't care if it cuts spending or not. He wants a W. Thus, no cuts.

The next time the Dems take office, USAID is back in business and all the DOGE cuts are history.

As YouBet stated, spending is never getting cut.

We will spend until we hit the wall.

Discussing it is really a waste of time.

"I'm going to start getting in shape.....next year"

-Republicans

Lots of what Steve Moore has termed Root Canal Republicans on this thread. You are NOT going to address the deficit and debt through primarily spending cuts and certainly not spending cuts alone.

Time and time again tax cuts have shown to grow the economy and have an even greater growth in tax revenues. 50 years of the Laffler Curve and people either just don't know about, understand it or beleive its real despite the evidence of it working just as recently as Trump's last term.

What is naive is to believe you can only solve budget problems through drastic spending cuts that do nothing but ensure you are not re-elected.

I think Chip & friends may get some movement on the 2029 medicare cut deferrals (not as much cuts but stop expanding, remove the F/W/A).

But the Root Canal Republicans want the most painful approach possible to passing any legislation on the budget by focusing so ******* much on spending cuts only.

BTW - Being conservative is an irrelevant label. There is not a conservative voting block left in America that can win a national election and barely any left that can win state elections, even then its a label and not an ideal. See Texas and Georgia politics for very clear evidence of this.

flown-the-coop said:

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Lots of what Steve Moore has termed Root Canal Republicans on this thread. You are NOT going to address the deficit and debt through primarily spending cuts and certainly not spending cuts alone.

Time and time again tax cuts have shown to grow the economy and have an even greater growth in tax revenues. 50 years of the Laffler Curve and people either just don't know about, understand it or beleive its real despite the evidence of it working just as recently as Trump's last term.

What is naive is to believe you can only solve budget problems through drastic spending cuts that do nothing but ensure you are not re-elected.

I think Chip & friends may get some movement on the 2029 medicare cut deferrals (not as much cuts but stop expanding, remove the F/W/A).

But the Root Canal Republicans want the most painful approach possible to passing any legislation on the budget by focusing so ******* much on spending cuts only.

BTW - Being conservative is an irrelevant label. There is not a conservative voting block left in America that can win a national election and barely any left that can win state elections, even then its a label and not an ideal. See Texas and Georgia politics for very clear evidence of this.

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Do you know how fast the economy has to grow to match just baseline budget growth, not to mention the $2 Trillion deficit? Cuts HAVE TO HAPPEN. The math will NEVER add up without cuts.

flown-the-coop said:

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Steve Moore has termed Root Canal Republicans

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In reality we need good root canals to save the republic. Remove the pus (reduce the debt) and heal the infection (reduce spending). But let's spend our way out of it and lose our teeth.

Phatbob said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Lots of what Steve Moore has termed Root Canal Republicans on this thread. You are NOT going to address the deficit and debt through primarily spending cuts and certainly not spending cuts alone.

Time and time again tax cuts have shown to grow the economy and have an even greater growth in tax revenues. 50 years of the Laffler Curve and people either just don't know about, understand it or beleive its real despite the evidence of it working just as recently as Trump's last term.

What is naive is to believe you can only solve budget problems through drastic spending cuts that do nothing but ensure you are not re-elected.

I think Chip & friends may get some movement on the 2029 medicare cut deferrals (not as much cuts but stop expanding, remove the F/W/A).

But the Root Canal Republicans want the most painful approach possible to passing any legislation on the budget by focusing so ******* much on spending cuts only.

BTW - Being conservative is an irrelevant label. There is not a conservative voting block left in America that can win a national election and barely any left that can win state elections, even then its a label and not an ideal. See Texas and Georgia politics for very clear evidence of this.

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Do you know how fast the economy has to grow to match just baseline budget growth, not to mention the $2 Trillion deficit? Cuts HAVE TO HAPPEN. The math will NEVER add up without cuts.

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Sure. You may or may not be right, same as I may or may not be right.

But the current BBB has the GOP adopting the CBO projected baseline growth of 2.6% whereas a more reasonable measure would have that at 3.0% (even Steve Scalise admitted 30 minutes ago they shorted it in their bill). That adjustment alone would indicate an additional $4 trillion in revenues alone.

I am all for spending cuts. But the current political environment makes that a perennial loser. And I get, lots of "conservatives" and "republicans" are like a lot of Aggie sports fans, they seem to enjoy losing more than winning as long as they can feel good about it.

But this is too important. We need to win. Cause the alternative is dramatically worse.

Not demanding you agree with me. But worshipping Chip Roy as some sort of man of principle is quite laughable.

flown-the-coop said:

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worshipping Chip Roy as some sort of man of principle is quite laughable.

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I don't know if anyone is worshipping Chip Roy. But your hate for the guy is noted. Maybe your hate does not allow you to properly assess the debt and spending problem.

bobbranco said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Steve Moore has termed Root Canal Republicans

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In reality we need good root canals to save the republic. Remove the pus (reduce the debt) and heal the infection (reduce spending). But let's spend our way out of it and lose our teeth.

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Thankfully Trump is a good dentist and has treatment plans that do not require the root canal the current Chip Roy torchbearers are demanding.

BTW - Chip will come around Sunday evening or he will be an odd man out. We can find a D to replace him on the vote. Question will be what does that D get if Chip Roy wants to continue to be a dolt on the BBB.

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flown-the-coop said:

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worshipping Chip Roy as some sort of man of principle is quite laughable.

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I don't know if anyone is worshipping Chip Roy. But your hate for the guy is noted. Maybe your hate does not allow you to properly assess the debt and spending problem.

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He doesn't care - he just wants to settle for the pennies on a dollar like they all end up doing

bobbranco said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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worshipping Chip Roy as some sort of man of principle is quite laughable.

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I don't know if anyone is worshipping Chip Roy. But your hate for the guy is noted. Maybe your hate does not allow you to properly assess the debt and spending problem.

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I understand it quite well. And I don't care if its Roy, Massie, the SC dude, Paul Rand... its time for them to shut their pie holes and get behind the BBB. Negotiations should be over at this point, time is wasting.

No one gets wealthy by cutting their income and cutting their spending. Many get wealthy by increasing their income faster than their spending.

If you want America to be wealthy or even solvent, you grow income faster than spending.

Massive cuts in spending, taxes, and regulations are the only possible hope of managing the debt and probably saving the economy. But they won't do any of that because no one that buys legislators wants to lose their pet project, funding, or regulatory moat.

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Massive cuts in spending, taxes, and regulations are the only possible hope of managing the debt and probably saving the economy. But they won't do any of that because no one that buys legislators wants to lose their pet project, funding, or regulatory moat.

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And you and your friends will either be voting for a candidate with no chance of winning or swallowing your fiscal conservatism because the alternative is voting for a lib who wants illegals to rape your daughter, take your guns away and turn your wife into a man who plays girls softball.

I'll take spineless R who compromised to get the BBB passed that will immediately result in prosperity for all Americans.

Good luck with your spending I'm sure it'll work this time lol

Also

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/05/16/moodys-downgrades-united-states-credit-rating-on-increase-in-government-debt.html

Lol

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If you polled people, I think balancing the budget would be pretty popular.

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Yah if that's all that was asked the answer would be yes.

But if you ask one of these questions.

Would you support an increase in your taxes to balance the budget?

Would you be willing to reduce military, social security, medicaid, park service, <insert anyone's special interest> spending to balance the budget?

No one wants to sacrifice to balance the budget.