They are not meaningfully cutting spending. This is patently absurd.

You aren't in a cult because you "believe in America". What a weird attempt to put words in my mouth. You are in a cult because you can say with a straight face that what Trump has proposed is "meaningfully cutting spending". If you were to say "I recognize the fact that Trump is not proposing to cut spending at all in the way he promised but I still support him because that is outweighed by x, y, and z", that would be a completely different matter.

Called it.

Rick Scott is barely a Republican to begin with, still thinks he is owed a shot at POTUS.

You can dismiss calling out their grandstanding as "squawking", but if you now think he is a principled fiscal hawk then got for it.

He's a rich guy who became exceedingly richer in politics and his idea of paying your fair share is to tax the middle class.

Lawd people that hold these asshats in Hugh regard amaze me.

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Rick Scott is barely a Republican to begin with,

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95% score from Heritage, but "barely a Republican".

Ok dude.

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🚨BREAKING: Just moments ago, Sen. Rick Scott said he's a NO on the One Big Beautiful Bill in its current form. He's demanding more spending cuts and setting America on the path to a balanced budget.

“Oh absolutely I’d vote no. If they brought it to the floor right now there’s… pic.twitter.com/a73QWl2IHb

— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) May 27, 2025

Grandstanding. Squawk. Grandstanding.

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Why did he wait until now? Hmmmm…did this deficit and debt problem just pop up?

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They are not meaningfully cutting spending. This is patently absurd.

You aren't in a cult because you "believe in America". What a weird attempt to put words in my mouth. You are in a cult because you can say with a straight face that what Trump has proposed is "meaningfully cutting spending". If you were to say "I recognize the fact that Trump is not proposing to cut spending at all in the way he promised but I still support him because that is outweighed by x, y, and z", that would be a completely different matter.

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So disagreeing with you means I am in a cult? Or having a different interpretation of "meaningfully cutting spending" means I am in a cult?

I am fine with the BBB as it is, though ideally I would like more fiscal cuts. The BBB is attempting what is possible given the margins in both the House and Senate.

Lots of folks simply do not understand compromise because they believe one man preventing anything from moving forward with our government is more ideal than 98% of the party going along with it. That would seem more cult like.

You think Rick Scott has waited until just now to talk about our unsustainable deficits?

Have you been under a rock?

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They are not meaningfully cutting spending. This is patently absurd.

You aren't in a cult because you "believe in America". What a weird attempt to put words in my mouth. You are in a cult because you can say with a straight face that what Trump has proposed is "meaningfully cutting spending". If you were to say "I recognize the fact that Trump is not proposing to cut spending at all in the way he promised but I still support him because that is outweighed by x, y, and z", that would be a completely different matter.

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So disagreeing with you means I am in a cult? Or having a different interpretation of "meaningfully cutting spending" means I am in a cult?

I am fine with the BBB as it is, though ideally I would like more fiscal cuts. The BBB is attempting what is possible given the margins in both the House and Senate.

Lots of folks simply do not understand compromise because they believe one man preventing anything from moving forward with our government is more ideal than 98% of the party going along with it. That would seem more cult like.

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Dude, anyone who disagrees with Trump on anything is a RINO to you. We all know the type.

Which is ironic considering Trump's fiscal policies going back to 2017 have been the exact definition of "RINO". You will use whatever tortured logic you have to to back into the pre-determined conclusion that anyone who deviates from him is a "fake Republican" or acting in bad faith.

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Rick Scott is barely a Republican to begin with,

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Heritage what?

He gets a 0% from FTC who can see a self serving pure politician where others see a fiscal conservative.

And as Funky points out, why does he wait until now?

Is he that disengaged from the process that he is just now voicing his concerns?

Nope. It's naive to think he just woke up and decided he needed to make a point.

No, I would imagine he didn't see enough money for his big PAC donors and decided if he wants to run for POTUS in 2028 he needs to keep his money happy and get some sound bites recorded in case the BBB doesn't work out for Trump.

It's important to see the bigger picture in politics and not blindly follow something call Heritage.

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And as Funky points out, why does he wait until now?

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Sigh.

He hasn't.

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They are not meaningfully cutting spending. This is patently absurd.

You aren't in a cult because you "believe in America". What a weird attempt to put words in my mouth. You are in a cult because you can say with a straight face that what Trump has proposed is "meaningfully cutting spending". If you were to say "I recognize the fact that Trump is not proposing to cut spending at all in the way he promised but I still support him because that is outweighed by x, y, and z", that would be a completely different matter.

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So disagreeing with you means I am in a cult? Or having a different interpretation of "meaningfully cutting spending" means I am in a cult?

I am fine with the BBB as it is, though ideally I would like more fiscal cuts. The BBB is attempting what is possible given the margins in both the House and Senate.

Lots of folks simply do not understand compromise because they believe one man preventing anything from moving forward with our government is more ideal than 98% of the party going along with it. That would seem more cult like.

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Dude, anyone who disagrees with Trump on anything is a RINO to you. We all know the type.

Which is ironic considering Trump's fiscal policies going back to 2017 have been the exact definition of "RINO". You will use whatever tortured logic you have to to back into the pre-determined conclusion that anyone who deviates from him is a "fake Republican" or acting in bad faith.

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Not true at all. All I ask is that assertions be more than innuendo. Are we not tired and disgusted by false accusations?

Anyone who does not support the leader of the "Republican" party would seem to meet the definition of a RINO.

You do realize that what makes a Republican is. It based simply on an outdated idea of abortion bans, no government spending (except for weapons and wars), ending taxation, nothing but the Bible as a school textbook and so on.

78 million folks did not vote for ending Social Security and Medicare because Rick Scott wants to be POTUS one day.

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And as Funky points out, why does he wait until now?

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Sigh.

He hasn't.

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Why didn't he start several weeks ago to message to the house and Mike Johnson what he wanted? Waiting this long screams he's looking for something else.

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You do realize that what makes a Republican is. It based simply on an outdated idea of abortion bans, no government spending (except for weapons and wars), ending taxation, nothing but the Bible as a school textbook and so on.

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This is legitimately one of the wildest straw mans I have ever read in my life. How unbelievably dishonest.

Our deficits are not sustainable. They are averaging over 6% of GDP when they need to be closer to 3%. Scott Bessent, the Treasury Secretary that Trump nominated, has stated this plainly several times. The deficit Trump just proposed is well over 7% of GDP.

Those are the facts. Which is why you have to pivot to completely unsupported nonsense like the above.

Johnson and Scott live to go over to MSM and pontificate with this nonsense. And they lap it up.

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You do realize that what makes a Republican is. It based simply on an outdated idea of abortion bans, no government spending (except for weapons and wars), ending taxation, nothing but the Bible as a school textbook and so on.

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This is legitimately one of the wildest straw mans I have ever read in my life. How unbelievably dishonest.

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Same poster thinks Breyer is right and Scalia is wrong on the 2nd amendment.


By his "logic" if Trump calls for red flag laws, anyone opposing is a RINO. Sense isn't his thing.

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You do realize that what makes a Republican is. It based simply on an outdated idea of abortion bans, no government spending (except for weapons and wars), ending taxation, nothing but the Bible as a school textbook and so on.

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This is legitimately one of the wildest straw mans I have ever read in my life. How unbelievably dishonest.

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Who is being dishonest? And me pointing out old school ideas of what it means to be an R is not a strawman nor is it being dishonest. At worst my post uses some hyperbole to make a point.

But if you feel better calling me dishonest, I am okay with that.

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You do realize that what makes a Republican is. It based simply on an outdated idea of abortion bans, no government spending (except for weapons and wars), ending taxation, nothing but the Bible as a school textbook and so on.

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This is legitimately one of the wildest straw mans I have ever read in my life. How unbelievably dishonest.

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And here we have a dishonest strawman.

Look, I think you can debate here without trying to attack me and call out my opinions as dishonest or wild or whatever… simply because you disagree.

Derail talking gun control. Any other opinions I have that you want to bring in here?

Regardless, I do believe Congressfolk and senate folk bloviating for their own political capital at the expense of Trump and 95%~98% supporting Trump makes them highly suspect they are just simply standing up for the long held positions.

Stating a fact about your political beliefs is not dishonest, an attack or a straw man.

It serves to show the "thinking" you are known for.

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Germans

Red flag Rick doing something useful for a change.

1. Will be curious to see what gets thrown out under the Byrd Rule that never would have passed in the first place.

2. Color me surprised that the Senate is being more cost stringent than the House simply based on the opening positions where the Senate was way more open to spending than the House.

Hopefully he gets something accomplished before he rolls over for trump. Republicans are not much different than demo's. Neither wants to cut anything.

If you want to try and cut the size of government and spending, you have to address lobbying and campaign finance first.

Else, the incentive too strong to placate to their big donors and big lobbyists and you do not placate those guys by cutting their funding, projects, pork barrels and the like.

It is a fools errand to believe any politician is looking out for anyone but themselves.

It's one thing I like about Trump, and something he possesses that most politicians do not, he's been to the MFing mountaintop, he has a huge beautiful family, a multimillionaire business empire, worldwide name recognition BEFORe he became the most powerful man in the world… twice.

So let the man operate and ignore the bloviators trying to score the moment for their PACs and lobbyists, and tell your senators and congressfolks to get behind Trump for GTFO of the way.

Elon weighs in on the one big ugly bill. I agree with him.

🚨Just in: @elonmusk says he is disappointed with the Big Beautiful Bill:

“I was disappointed to see the massive spending bill, frankly, which increases the budget deficit, not just decrease it. And it undermines the work that the DOGE team is doing.”pic.twitter.com/bFQgcuEOe0

— The Calvin Coolidge Project (@TheCalvinCooli1) May 28, 2025

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1. Will be curious to see what gets thrown out under the Byrd Rule that never would have passed in the first place.

2. Color me surprised that the Senate is being more cost stringent than the House simply based on the opening positions where the Senate was way more open to spending than the House.

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The Senate is playing politics to seem reasonable and moderate

And it's completely unnecessary for Rs in the senate to do this.

They want something, they haven't gotten it yet, they are going to MSM to locate.

Hopefully the bill dies, cause it's a failure

One Big Beautiful Bill might be on the verge of death!

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Hopefully the bill dies, cause it's a failure

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I selfishly want this bill to pass so we can finally get supressors without daddy government giving me permission.

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If you want to try and cut the size of government and spending, you have to address lobbying and campaign finance first.

Else, the incentive too strong to placate to their big donors and big lobbyists and you do not placate those guys by cutting their funding, projects, pork barrels and the like.

It is a fools errand to believe any politician is looking out for anyone but themselves.

It's one thing I like about Trump, and something he possesses that most politicians do not, he's been to the MFing mountaintop, he has a huge beautiful family, a multimillionaire business empire, worldwide name recognition BEFORe he became the most powerful man in the world… twice.

So let the man operate and ignore the bloviators trying to score the moment for their PACs and lobbyists, and tell your senators and congressfolks to get behind Trump for GTFO of the way.

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This is the wrong end of the dog you're looking at. Government spending is why there is lobbying and campaign finance issues. There is no reason to lobby or finance a politician who does not control a bunch of money or regulations. Period. End of story. If there is massive spending or regulation... then there will ALWAYS be some sort of corruption and influence peddling, both legal and illegal. All you are looking to do is change how it is done. You will never get rid of corruption without getting rid of the power first. If you remove the spending, you remove the incentives to influence the spending.

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I selfishly want this bill to pass so we can finally get supressors without daddy government giving me permission.

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That is true, but they still have to be treated like firearms I think

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If you want to try and cut the size of government and spending, you have to address lobbying and campaign finance first.

Else, the incentive too strong to placate to their big donors and big lobbyists and you do not placate those guys by cutting their funding, projects, pork barrels and the like.

It is a fools errand to believe any politician is looking out for anyone but themselves.

It's one thing I like about Trump, and something he possesses that most politicians do not, he's been to the MFing mountaintop, he has a huge beautiful family, a multimillionaire business empire, worldwide name recognition BEFORe he became the most powerful man in the world… twice.

So let the man operate and ignore the bloviators trying to score the moment for their PACs and lobbyists, and tell your senators and congressfolks to get behind Trump for GTFO of the way.

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This is the wrong end of the dog you're looking at. Government spending is why there is lobbying and campaign finance issues. There is no reason to lobby or finance a politician who does not control a bunch of money or regulations. Period. End of story. If there is massive spending or regulation... then there will ALWAYS be some sort of corruption and influence peddling, both legal and illegal. All you are looking to do is change how it is done. You will never get rid of corruption without getting rid of the power first. If you remove the spending, you remove the incentives to influence the spending.

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You are offering the solution of closing the gate after all your cows have left.

You have to get the cows back and close your gate.

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