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Well no shlt. Kind of analagous to how you weren't built to breastfeed a baby.

dems, i ask you again - is this clown really the most qualified person to do this job?

While I agree this is a no ****, plenty of people I've talked to were surprised it couldn't handle that hit.

People have no actual concept of size and power behind a ship like that.

TXAggie2011 said:

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For ****'s sake

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Windbreakers freshly pressed. Patches sewn on. Persons to stand behind person at the podium selected.

NTSB press conference at 7pm CST.

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While I agree this is a no ****, plenty of people I've talked to were surprised it couldn't handle that hit.

People have no actual concept of size and power behind a ship like that.

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I'm sure that your acquaintances and maybe most people are surprised by this. But most people aren't US cabinet level administrators with a staff that should have been able to prep him or answer any questions before he got behind a podium and embarrassed himself & our entire government on a world stage.

Sorry, but he's not getting a pass from me on this one...

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While I agree this is a no ****, plenty of people I've talked to were surprised it couldn't handle that hit.

People have no actual concept of size and power behind a ship like that.

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I'm sure that your acquaintances and maybe most people are surprised by this. But most people aren't US cabinet level administrators with a staff that should have been able to prep him or answer any questions before he got behind a podium and embarrassed himself & our entire government on a world stage.

Sorry, but he's not getting a pass from me on this one...

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Was he answering a question? I thought he was just giving a statement.

FWIW, in my past life as a civil engineer, I'd want to know up front and as a baseline whether it (1) wasn't designed for something or (2) was designed for something but nonetheless failed.

And the fact that a news agency chose that as its "headline", well perhaps it is self evident there that was a worthy comment to make.

And no one outside certain circles of American politics are going "OMG, he said something obvious! How embarrassing!"

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FWIW, in my past life as a civil engineer, I'd want to know up front and as a baseline whether it (1) wasn't designed for something or (2) was designed for something but nonetheless failed.

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Well, as an engineer, be honest, it's pretty, "DUH!", in knowing something like that is not designed to take a loaded ship's impact.

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but is it a choke point for the nation's economy in general?

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I don't think it's a choke point for the overall economy, but I do think it is for a lot of automobile imports, and there will be quite a bit of local economic downturn due to not being able to get goods in/out.

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What auto imports come through Baltimore? I would think only European imports and how much of an economic impact is it if people have to wait for their Beamers or Benz? Japanese cars all go through ports in Washington I think and they have to be the biggest importer by a wide margin.

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Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg said Wednesday morning that the force of the cargo ship that rammed into and destroyed Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge was "unimaginable."

"It is difficult to overstate the level of physical force that hit this bridge all at once," Buttigieg said during an interview on ABC News. He also added, "This is a vessel that was about 100,000 tons carrying its load, so 200 million pounds went into this bridge all at once, which is why you had that almost instant catastrophic result."

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https://www.politico.com/news/2024/03/27/baltimore-bridge-cargo-ship-buttigieg-00149307

Fair points from several posters above. Ran across this article where it appears that his comment in the previous quote may have been somewhat taken out of context when he was laying out the physics of the collision. I'll leave my previous posts unedited.


But he is still parroting the "Congress must fund the rebuilding and do it now" pandering. As many have posted, this is going to be a pork laden bill of epic proportions.

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"The president made it very clear that every tool of the federal government needs to be available to Governor Wes Moore as the state of Maryland leads the work on the bridge and the port," Buttigieg said during an interview on Fox News. "We have to make sure that funding is not an obstacle and make sure we tear down any administrative barriers, too."

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I don't think people quite realize where the middle of the intelligence bell curve actually is. This site is a bubble in the sense that almost everyone here has - at a minimum - a bachelors degree from a well respected university.

Joe Sixpack and Jane Boxwine might see this impact and think of a car hitting a brick wall instead of a hulking mass of displaced steel hitting a comparatively delicate structure.

But the conspiracy theories on this one are at Charlie Kelly connecting pictures with yarn level when basic logic suggests that delayed power system maintenance and human error = no power and down goes bridge.

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🚨 BREAKING 🚨

Angela Chao, sister-in-law of Senator Mitch McConnell, who drowned in her vehicle 6 days ago, was the CEO of the shipping company that owned the massive cargo ship that hit the Key Bridge & caused its collapse just 24+ hours ago.

🛑Conspiracy?🛑

She is… pic.twitter.com/YEpkU853Oh

— ᴊᴀᴄᴋ ᴅᴀɴɢᴇʀ (@AmericazOutlaw) March 27, 2024

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Damn. Asian females such bad drivers they are wrecking boats from the grave.

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FWIW, in my past life as a civil engineer, I'd want to know up front and as a baseline whether it (1) wasn't designed for something or (2) was designed for something but nonetheless failed.

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Well, as an engineer, be honest, it's pretty, "DUH!", in knowing something like that is not designed to take a loaded ship's impact.

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But most aren't engineers, as said above about the Average Joe. Or, perhaps, ignoring their engineering work to read TexAgs.

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TXAggie2011 said:

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FWIW, in my past life as a civil engineer, I'd want to know up front and as a baseline whether it (1) wasn't designed for something or (2) was designed for something but nonetheless failed.

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Well, as an engineer, be honest, it's pretty, "DUH!", in knowing something like that is not designed to take a loaded ship's impact.

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But most aren't engineers, as said above about the Average Joe. Or, perhaps, ignoring their engineering work to read TexAgs.

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TXAggie2011 said:

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TXAggie2011 said:

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FWIW, in my past life as a civil engineer, I'd want to know up front and as a baseline whether it (1) wasn't designed for something or (2) was designed for something but nonetheless failed.

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Well, as an engineer, be honest, it's pretty, "DUH!", in knowing something like that is not designed to take a loaded ship's impact.

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But most aren't engineers, as said above about the Average Joe. Or, perhaps, ignoring their engineering work to read TexAgs.

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At least you don't get day old news on paper.

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TexAgs: We Know Stuff.

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I still have the original t-shirt.

I know the lawyer on for the vessel owner. He's based out of NYC and represented the deceased captain's interests in the El Faro investigation.

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Ferries are probably not the way to go in this situation. Trying to cross a river with busy shipping traffic on a hastily arranged ferry set-up is inviting another disaster IMO.

Example that I'm familiar with is the MV George Perry ferry disaster and it had been running for years. My wife's family had used it often and would tell you that you didn't want to brave the ferry unless you had a compelling reason to get to the other side. The Hale Boggs bridge was under construction in large part to relieve the traffic issues that this ferry was coping with.

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Okay herewe go on the insurance question.

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A marine protection and indemnity insurer confirmed it is part of coverage for a container ship that hit a bridge in Baltimore, collapsing the bridge and causing unknown damage at this time.

"We can confirm that the ship Dali is entered with Britannia P&I Club," the marine mutual said in a statement to BestWire. "We are working closely with the ship manager and relevant authorities to establish the facts and to help ensure that this situation is dealt with quickly and professionally."

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Grace Ocean Pte Ltd. owns the Singapore-flagged container ship "Dali," and Synergy Marine manages the vessel.

"Reinsurers will bear the bulk of the insured cost of the collapse of the Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore," said Matilde Jakobsen, senior director, analytics, AM Best. "Liability cover for most shipping vessels is provided through protection and indemnity insurers known as P&I Clubs."

Jakobsen said the P&I segment is dominated by the members of the International Group of P&I Clubs, which collectively insure approximately 90% of the world's ocean-going tonnage. As part of the International Group's pooling arrangements, member clubs mutually reinsure each other by sharing claims above $10 million.

Additionally, the group buys general excess-of-loss reinsurance cover up to $3.1 billion in the open market, Jakobsen said.

"While the total cost of the bridge collapse and associated claims will not be clear for some time, it is likely to run into the billions of dollars well above the $100 million attachment point for the GXL contract," she said.

"The insurance issues due to the collapse of the bridge will take a long time to determine and may involve several lines such as property, cargo, liability, trade credit and contingent business interruption.

The claim will likely involve several insurers, reinsurers, subrogation, and legal issues and will serve to add to the increasing challenges in reinsurance availability."

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More HERE for those interested.

agent-maroon said:

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Well no shlt. Kind of analagous to how you weren't built to breastfeed a baby.

dems, i ask you again - is this clown really the most qualified person to do this job?

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WTH are you talking about? He was Mayor of South Bend, Indiana for Pete's sake.

Master of the ship was Ukrainian but rest of the crew was from India, according to Good Lawgic and Legal Vices, the latter being a specialist in maritime law.

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I still have the original t-shirt.

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Does it hang in the closet next to your Ranger65 shirt?

It said that the pilot and likely most of the crew were drunk when the MV George Perry was struck.

Im not sure if that it follows that it's inherently dangerous for a ferry to cross shipping lanes.

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Well no shlt. Kind of analagous to how you weren't built to breastfeed a baby.

dems, i ask you again - is this clown really the most qualified person to do this job?

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WTH are you talking about? He was Mayor of South Bend, Indiana for Pete's sake.

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And he has the hardest job in the world too, being a birthing person to a recent newborn!

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It said that the pilot and likely most of the crew were drunk when the MV George Perry was struck.

Im not sure if that it follows that it's inherently dangerous for a ferry to cross shipping lanes.

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nope . seattle has several major ferry routes that cross through commercial traffic for both the Ports of Seattle and Tacoma.

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Well no shlt. Kind of analagous to how you weren't built to breastfeed a baby.

dems, i ask you again - is this clown really the most qualified person to do this job?

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WTH are you talking about? He was Mayor of South Bend, Indiana for Pete's sake.

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And he has the hardest job in the world too, being a birthing person to a recent newborn!

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And I just can't imagine the physical strain he had to go through to get that baby out of him. His butt must be ruined! Do they make a love stitch for your cornhole?

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And I just can't imagine the physical strain he had to go through to get that baby out of him. His butt must be ruined! Do they make a love stitch for your cornhole?

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you joke, but there is a whole subgenre of fantasy and porn called mpreg (male pregnancy) with lots of art, fiction, vids about men getting pregnant and giving birth via posterior and front dangling exits.

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And I just can't imagine the physical strain he had to go through to get that baby out of him. His butt must be ruined! Do they make a love stitch for your cornhole?

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you joke, but there is a whole subgenre of fantasy and porn called mpreg (male pregnancy) with lots of art, fiction, vids about men getting pregnant and giving birth via posterior and front dangling exits.

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Ban drunk ferry pilots and crew.

Everywhere.

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Ban drunk ferry pilots and crew.

Everywhere.

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Drunk not required. In July 2022, we had an incident where a captain essentially fell asleep and crashed one of our ferries into the dolphin at the Fauntleroy terminal in south Seattle.

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FWIW, in my past life as a civil engineer, I'd want to know up front and as a baseline whether it (1) wasn't designed for something or (2) was designed for something but nonetheless failed.

And the fact that a news agency chose that as its "headline", well perhaps it is self evident there that was a worthy comment to make.

And no one outside certain circles of American politics are going "OMG, he said something obvious! How embarrassing!"

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It said that the pilot and likely most of the crew were drunk when the MV George Perry was struck.

I'm not sure if that it follows that it's inherently dangerous for a ferry to cross shipping lanes.

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Maybe the crew on both the MV George Perry and sister ship were typically drunk, but according to my deceased FIL near misses were common. He worked at a chemical plant in Luling (West Bank) for like 35 years and commented that new hires that lived on the East Bank either moved to Luling or quit pretty quickly, with a common reason being the perception that the ferry was dangerous. We had this conversation when I was visiting and was looking for something to do with the kids. One idea was to go a ways upriver and take the ferry across and back. He suggested that I find something else when I told him about our plans and this story was all a part of the warning.

But I'm from a part of the world where the rivers rarely even have water in them, so what the hell do I know?