https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/26/baltimore-bridge-ship-previous-collision-antwerp-2016Quote:
The same vessel that hit the Baltimore Key Bridge on Tuesday, destroying it and sending people and vehicles tumbling into the water, was also involved in a collision while leaving the port of Antwerp, Belgium, in 2016.
According to Vessel Finder and the maritime incident archive Shipwrecklog, the Dali a 948ft (290-meter) cargo ship with a capacity of 10,000 containers was leaving the container terminal of Antwerp heading to Bremerhaven.
hi! former naval engineer here! no bridge is designed to take a laden container ship *under its own power* just fuckin' piledriving main supports intersecting the bridge body. the material you want that does this is called land. no material is eating 116,851 tons moving at 6 kts! https://t.co/lse8paPwRA
— hollow earth girlboss cruella de vril (@carpethefish) March 26, 2024
A ship that loaded had some big deck energy...BoxingAg84 said:hi! former naval engineer here! no bridge is designed to take a laden container ship *under its own power* just fuckin' piledriving main supports intersecting the bridge body. the material you want that does this is called land. no material is eating 116,851 tons moving at 6 kts! https://t.co/lse8paPwRA
— hollow earth girlboss cruella de vril (@carpethefish) March 26, 2024
They may not be dredged enough?jlAG97 said:
yeah, of all the times/locations to lose power, this was worst case and will likely lead the conspiracy claims.
What does everyone think of the timeframe to open up the shipping lane again? Hearing some of my logistics companies already declare "3-6 months" but that seems too long a time for shutting down an important piece of the economy there......maybe containers barges can get around the outside of the main span since they are lower in the meantime?..
CanyonAg77 said:fc2112 said:
Can you imagine being one of the last cars across that bridge, seeing it collapse right behind you in the rearview mirror?
Sea Speed said:
Don't think that these are making the rounds. From a pilot buddy.
1-2 months to clear a ship channel is my best guess. I talked with a couple of logistics people I know (used to help run 3PL and worked with a lot of ocean, LTL and FTL carriers) and it will be 3-6 months to clear all the debris but they expect that basic operations for smaller ships will be open (periodically as they'll have to close the channel to continue clearing) in that time frame but that full access to the channel will take closer to that 6 month time frame with very limited access to larger ships in the mid frame. The stuff needed to clear that much stuff will take time to get to Baltimore, and you'll have to deal with various government groups doing investigations so they may delay how it comes out and you'll also be dealing with weather and personnel delays and the expense will be so high you'll probably have to have Congress and Maryland outlay money that is beyond the current Fed and State DoT funds for clearing and rebuilding. Probably 18-24 months for a new bridge so you can bet it will be 2026 before Key bridge is back open. Locals will be pretty gun shy about bigger ships in the channel depending on weather until they can clear a pretty big area of the channel.jlAG97 said:
yeah, of all the times/locations to lose power, this was worst case and will likely lead the conspiracy claims.
What does everyone think of the timeframe to open up the shipping lane again? Hearing some of my logistics companies already declare "3-6 months" but that seems too long a time for shutting down an important piece of the economy there......maybe containers barges can get around the outside of the main span since they are lower in the meantime?..
especially since the bridge where Frank was meeting the Greek and was killed was the Key Bridge.BassCowboy33 said:Al Bula said:
Frank Sobotka when he heard the news:
Bill Rawls says this happened on the wrong side of the bridge. McNulty is mad for sure.
This definitely crossed my mind
I remember seeing that Schwarzkopf conference (either live or on the news) back during the Gulf War....bonfarr said:CanyonAg77 said:fc2112 said:
Can you imagine being one of the last cars across that bridge, seeing it collapse right behind you in the rearview mirror?
Saw this on Engineering Disasters a while back, before the collapse of the Tacoma Narrows bridge thrill seekers would speed across it in their cars while the roadway twisted and turned in the wind. No way I would have had the testicular fortitude to try that.
BoxingAg84 said:hi! former naval engineer here! no bridge is designed to take a laden container ship *under its own power* just fuckin' piledriving main supports intersecting the bridge body. the material you want that does this is called land. no material is eating 116,851 tons moving at 6 kts! https://t.co/lse8paPwRA
— hollow earth girlboss cruella de vril (@carpethefish) March 26, 2024
CDUB98 said:
Something I have yet to see explained:
The construction company halted traffic onto the bridge presumably from the mayday call.
Why were there still people on the bridge working? Why were they not immediately evacuated?
Lloyds?jt2hunt said:
How large of an insurance carrier do you have to be to underwrite coverage for a ship like this one? This has to be a very bad day for this insurance company.
FBI says it has found no evidence of terrorism linked to the Baltimore bridge collapse. pic.twitter.com/kS9itOlxkl
— Citizen Free Press (@CitizenFreePres) March 26, 2024
Sea Speed said:
So weird, I had a long reply to ThunderCougarFalconBird asking me a question and when I hit reply it said the content was unavailable to me. Sucks because it was a pretty long one.
It was actually an okay press conference, by Biden standards.Psycho Bunny said:
Our dear leader is speaking.
BassCowboy33 said:BoxingAg84 said:hi! former naval engineer here! no bridge is designed to take a laden container ship *under its own power* just fuckin' piledriving main supports intersecting the bridge body. the material you want that does this is called land. no material is eating 116,851 tons moving at 6 kts! https://t.co/lse8paPwRA
— hollow earth girlboss cruella de vril (@carpethefish) March 26, 2024
In our news meeting this morning, there was discussion about possibly doing a story on bridge inspections and safety. I literally said, "Guys, it doesn't matter how up to code your bridge is, it's not surviving a 950 ft, fully-laden container ship slamming it at 6 knots."
That ended the discussion.
Probably because there is zero evidence it was terrorism.annie88 said:
It may very well not be terrorism, and I hope it's not, but to make that statement so quickly, just hours later, seems ill-advised.
It's funny how the media these days tend to amplify certain things and downplay others, depending on the outcome they seemingly want.
For example, the color of mass shooters seems to have become a very big thing.This FBI agent who is discounting terrorism at the Baltimore bridge (very quickly, I might add) was named Special Agent in Charge of the Baltimore Field Office just YESTERDAY
— Jordan Sather (@Jordan_Sather_) March 26, 2024
Suspicious? https://t.co/7kBZm1oBJk