After recent cyber attacks in USA from China, Ship loses power twice and hits a bridge resulting in its collapse with dozens of cars falling in water in #Baltimore
— INDIA NARRATIVE (@india_narrative) March 26, 2024
Detailed video shows the power loss/power recovery along with the collision resulting in #BaltimoreBridgeCollapse pic.twitter.com/wOEnjjAKK8
DIESEL LIVES MATTER!!Sea Speed said:
Seriously? An engineering casualty. They lost the plant.
I haven't heard that terminology before regarding a mishap. Is that shipping terminology?Sea Speed said:
Seriously? An engineering casualty. They lost the plant.
Power failures or plant failures are not typically referred to as a "casualty".Sea Speed said:
Seriously? An engineering casualty. They lost the plant.
Eliminatus said:
New nightmare unlocked.
agracer said:Power failures or plant failures are not typically referred to as a "casualty".Sea Speed said:
Seriously? An engineering casualty. They lost the plant.
It's usually called, you know, a POWER FAILURE or loss of some system that allows the ship to maintain steering or propulsion.
If you car had a flat tire you would not call AAA and say "I had a tire casualty".
but maybe with ships its different.
No, propulsion casualtyUAS Ag said:They had a casualty? Someone seriously injured or dead?Pro Sandy said:
Just listened to the governor's update on WCBM.
Ship alerted authorities prior to allision that they had a casualty. Traffic was stopped onto the bridge. It is believed the only victims (2 recovered, one in hospital one out, 6 being searched for) were a work crew fixing potholes.
Bridge was up to code.
All ship traffic in/out of port of Baltimore is stopped.
FBI reported no creditable threat or evidence of a terror attack.
Complete guess.agracer said:Power failures or plant failures are not typically referred to as a "casualty".Sea Speed said:
Seriously? An engineering casualty. They lost the plant.
It's usually called, you know, a POWER FAILURE or loss of some system that allows the ship to maintain steering or propulsion.
If you car had a flat tire you would not call AAA and say "I had a tire casualty".
but maybe with ships its different.
When I-35 over the Mississippi River in Minneapolis collapsed in 2007, the replacement was opened less than 14 months later.CDUB98 said:Opinion only, but 4-5 years to bridge completion and use is not unrealistic. Money could possibly get it down to the 3-4 year time frame.JFABNRGR said:CDUB98 said:It's impossible to do a bridge of this scale under a billion now.Quote:
yes, and it's going to be in the billions for sure. but there is no viable alternative.
Whats the over under on time to replace?
I am going with 5+ years after award.
Oddly, the largest time suck will be the soil/ground investigation and piling/foundation design, likely.
If you lost an engine, would you declare a casualty?GAC06 said:agracer said:Power failures or plant failures are not typically referred to as a "casualty".Sea Speed said:
Seriously? An engineering casualty. They lost the plant.
It's usually called, you know, a POWER FAILURE or loss of some system that allows the ship to maintain steering or propulsion.
If you car had a flat tire you would not call AAA and say "I had a tire casualty".
but maybe with ships its different.
Haha. Yeah maybe with ships that's what it's called. Maybe.
agracer said:Power failures or plant failures are not typically referred to as a "casualty".Sea Speed said:
Seriously? An engineering casualty. They lost the plant.
It's usually called, you know, a POWER FAILURE or loss of some system that allows the ship to maintain steering or propulsion.
If you car had a flat tire you would not call AAA and say "I had a tire casualty".
but maybe with ships its different.
stop reading garbage twitter accountsGeorgiAg said:
hmmmm....After recent cyber attacks in USA from China, Ship loses power twice and hits a bridge resulting in its collapse with dozens of cars falling in water in #Baltimore
— INDIA NARRATIVE (@india_narrative) March 26, 2024
Detailed video shows the power loss/power recovery along with the collision resulting in #BaltimoreBridgeCollapse pic.twitter.com/wOEnjjAKK8
UAS Ag said:If you lost an engine, would you declare a casualty?GAC06 said:agracer said:Power failures or plant failures are not typically referred to as a "casualty".Sea Speed said:
Seriously? An engineering casualty. They lost the plant.
It's usually called, you know, a POWER FAILURE or loss of some system that allows the ship to maintain steering or propulsion.
If you car had a flat tire you would not call AAA and say "I had a tire casualty".
but maybe with ships its different.
Haha. Yeah maybe with ships that's what it's called. Maybe.
Shane Diesel?CDUB98 said:DIESEL LIVES MATTER!!Sea Speed said:
Seriously? An engineering casualty. They lost the plant.
agracer said:Power failures or plant failures are not typically referred to as a "casualty".Sea Speed said:
Seriously? An engineering casualty. They lost the plant.
It's usually called, you know, a POWER FAILURE or loss of some system that allows the ship to maintain steering or propulsion.
If you car had a flat tire you would not call AAA and say "I had a tire casualty".
but maybe with ships its different.
Bruce Almighty said:agracer said:Power failures or plant failures are not typically referred to as a "casualty".Sea Speed said:
Seriously? An engineering casualty. They lost the plant.
It's usually called, you know, a POWER FAILURE or loss of some system that allows the ship to maintain steering or propulsion.
If you car had a flat tire you would not call AAA and say "I had a tire casualty".
but maybe with ships its different.
Loss of the ship is referred to as a casualty
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I learn something new every day...
Marine casualty or accident means
(a) Any casualty or accident involving any vessel other than a public vessel that
(1) Occurs upon the navigable waters of the United States, its territories or possessions;
(2) Involves any United States vessel wherever such casualty or accident occurs; or
(3) With respect to a foreign tank vessel operating in waters subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, including the Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ), involves significant harm to the environment or material damage affecting the seaworthiness or efficiency of the vessel.
(b) The term "marine casualty or accident" applies to events caused by or involving a vessel and includes, but is not limited to, the following:
(1) Any fall overboard, injury, or loss of life of any person.
(2) Any occurrence involving a vessel that results in
(i) Grounding;
(ii) Stranding;
(iii) Foundering;
(iv) Flooding;
(v) Collision;
(vi) Allision;
(vii) Explosion;
(viii) Fire;
(ix) Reduction or loss of a vessel's electrical power, propulsion, or steering capabilities;
(x) Failures or occurrences, regardless of cause, which impair any aspect of a vessel's operation, components, or cargo;
(xi) Any other circumstance that might affect or impair a vessel's seaworthiness, efficiency, or fitness for service or route; or
(xii) Any incident involving significant harm to the environment.
(3) Any occurrences of injury or loss of life to any person while diving from a vessel and using underwater breathing apparatus.
(4) Any incident described in 4.051(a).
That's why I keep saying prefacing with "guess."Quote:
Posts like this are the best part of these tragedies. People with no clue weighing in with their uneducated opinion. Glorious.
Pro Sandy said:
Just listened to the governor's update on WCBM.
Ship alerted authorities prior to allision that they had a casualty. Traffic was stopped onto the bridge. It is believed the only victims (2 recovered, one in hospital one out, 6 being searched for) were a work crew fixing potholes.
Bridge was up to code.
All ship traffic in/out of port of Baltimore is stopped.
FBI reported no creditable threat or evidence of a terror attack.
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The ship's crew notified authorities that they had lost power shortly before it struck the bridge, Gov. Wes Moore of Maryland said.
. . .
Officials were searching for six members of a road repair crew who had been working on the Francis Scott Key Bridge, which is part of Interstate 695, when it collapsed, said Paul J. Wiedefeld, Maryland's transportation secretary.
Two others had been rescued; one of them was in the hospital, Mr. Wiedefeld said, adding that the authorities did not think any drivers were submerged in their cars.
Mr. Moore said that after a mayday call was made ahead of the collapse, workers stopped cars from continuing onto the bridge, a rapid response that he credited with saving lives. "These people are heroes," he said.
. . .
The ship is a 948-foot-long cargo vessel named Dali. The owners of the vessel, a Singapore-flagged ship, said it hit a pillar of the bridge around 1:30 a.m. All crew members, including two pilots onboard, have been accounted for and there were no injuries on the ship, the owners said. Maryland officials said the crew was still onboard.
. . .
NTSB is launching a go team to investigate the collapse of the Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore. Media briefing to be held later today at a time and location TBD, which will be announced on this feed.
— NTSB Newsroom (@NTSB_Newsroom) March 26, 2024
NTSB Chair Jennifer Homendy will brief the media today at 12 p.m. ET on the NTSB investigation of the collapse of the Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore. The briefing will be at the media staging area in Dundalk, Maryland. pic.twitter.com/EXigstvKPH
— NTSB Newsroom (@NTSB_Newsroom) March 26, 2024
New here?Foreverconservative said:
Well leave it to the local idiots to turn a very good information based thread with good learning points inseted by people who actually have direct knowledge into the ins and outs of this type of vessel, into a total crapshow as usual.....
Oh, yeah, the gov't is here to help.Rapier108 said:NTSB is launching a go team to investigate the collapse of the Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore. Media briefing to be held later today at a time and location TBD, which will be announced on this feed.
— NTSB Newsroom (@NTSB_Newsroom) March 26, 2024NTSB Chair Jennifer Homendy will brief the media today at 12 p.m. ET on the NTSB investigation of the collapse of the Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore. The briefing will be at the media staging area in Dundalk, Maryland. pic.twitter.com/EXigstvKPH
— NTSB Newsroom (@NTSB_Newsroom) March 26, 2024
Probably a backup generator kicking on after the first power failure.C@LAg said:that is a reasonable and logical assumption, of course, and 99.9% likely what it is.BassCowboy33 said:C@LAg said:
notice the smoke as well. it was not previously exiting the top of the boat until after the first power failure.
The smoke is likely just exhaust. It appears to be coming from the smoke stack on the stern.
but it was not being exhausted for the minute prior to the power outage.
there are no clips (yet) from much more than a minute before the crash to see if this is normal or abnormal based on what was going on at the time.
Rapier108 said:
The NTSB is probably one of the few government entities I'd say still has some credibility.