Francis Scott key bridge struck by boat
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Came across a good saying recently:Rapier108 said:Sadly, common sense is not common anymore.rynning said:Common sense tells us this wasn't a terror attack.Bruce Almighty said:
If someone was going to hack the ship, I don't think they'd do it at 1:30 am.
Common sense is a flower that does not grow in everyone's garden.
It's Maryland, not Delaware.AgResearch said:Beau Biden Memorial BridgeTREX01 said:
It's Baltimore, they knocked down the Key bridge so they can replace it with whoever penned the Black National Anthem
In before "Never let a crises go to waste." Can't wait to see how the money gets thrown around.
It amazes me that anyone thinks a ship that size can take evasive maneuvers in that short window. It's not an F1 car.
James Weldon Johnson, and that dude was a registered Republican, so you can forget about that.TREX01 said:
It's Baltimore, they knocked down the Key bridge so they can replace it with whoever penned the Black National Anthem
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rynning said:
Who wants to bet the bridge will have a new name when it's rebuilt?
Lots of vehicles go to that harbor.
Per Reuters:
"The port handles imports and exports for major automakers including:
Nissan
Toyota
General Motors
Volvo Car
Jaguar Land Rover and Volkswagen including luxury models for Audi, Lamborghini and Bentley"
Per Reuters:
"The port handles imports and exports for major automakers including:
Nissan
Toyota
General Motors
Volvo Car
Jaguar Land Rover and Volkswagen including luxury models for Audi, Lamborghini and Bentley"
This is one of the busiest U.S. port for car shipments, handling more than 750,000 vehicles in 2023, according to Reuters pic.twitter.com/0Llyu3MkE2
— Car Dealership Guy (@GuyDealership) March 26, 2024
Uh, they're going to build a new bridge. Preferably with a wider channel and better construction.SPF250 said:
In before "Never let a crises go to waste." Can't wait to see how the money gets thrown around.
What was, until yesterday, a 10 minute drive from one side of the harbor to the other for hazardous materials is now a two and a half hour detour around the entire Baltimore metro. That's not sustainable.
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FTAG 2000 said:
It amazes me that anyone thinks a ship that size can take evasive maneuvers in that short window. It's not an F1 car.
The vast vast majority of people know absolutely nothing about ships and shipping and don't realize that almost everything they own and buy is touched by shipping.
yes, and it's going to be in the billions for sure. but there is no viable alternative.YokelRidesAgain said:Uh, they're going to build a new bridge. Preferably with a wider channel and better construction.SPF250 said:
In before "Never let a crises go to waste." Can't wait to see how the money gets thrown around.
What was, until yesterday, a 10 minute drive from one side of the harbor to the other for hazardous materials is now a two and a half hour detour around the entire Baltimore metro. That's not sustainable.
Of course a new bridge. I'm talking about all the other regulations, grift etc.YokelRidesAgain said:Uh, they're going to build a new bridge. Preferably with a wider channel and better construction.SPF250 said:
In before "Never let a crises go to waste." Can't wait to see how the money gets thrown around.
What was, until yesterday, a 10 minute drive from one side of the harbor to the other for hazardous materials is now a two and a half hour detour around the entire Baltimore metro. That's not sustainable.
Obviously, the channel was plenty wide if the ship did not run aground before hitting the pier.Quote:
Preferably with a wider channel and better construction.
As for bridge construction, it was fine. The total collapse is simply a function of the type of bridge it was, not due to anything inherently wrong.
NOW, if you're talking about building barrier piers around the bridge piers, yeah, that should have been done a long time ago, and most new bridges today do have them.
It's impossible to do a bridge of this scale under a billion now.Quote:
yes, and it's going to be in the billions for sure. but there is no viable alternative.
Was there proper fendering around the bridge coulmns? Thats a lot of mass to stop, but fendering could have deflected the boat.
Ehhh, I think if there was, it would not have hit the bridge pier.bcosf said:
Was there proper fendering around the bridge coulmns? Thats a lot of mass to stop, but fendering could have deflected the boat.
If the support columns are still ok (except for the one hit), might not take all that long to build the bridge back on them. The columns in the channel would seem the hardest part to build.
No engineering firm worth their salt would ever touch a pier hit like this. I wouldn't either.fc2112 said:
If the support columns are still ok (except for the one hit), might not take all that long to build the bridge back on them. The columns in the channel would seem the hardest part to build.
Wouldn't surprise me, a new terminal just opened up within the last year or so in Charleston / North Charleston.BassCowboy33 said:Logos Stick said:
This is interesting.As @JeffFisch notes, the collapse of the Key Bridge means that the Baltimore Port will be unusable for many months.
— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) March 26, 2024
It's the 13th most important US port for foreign trade
The economic impact on the city, which is already plagued by social misery and violent crime, will be huge pic.twitter.com/ZpPcb4Ombs
The guess is traffic gets diverted to Norfolk and Charleston.
YokelRidesAgain said:
What was, until yesterday, a 10 minute drive from one side of the harbor to the other for hazardous materials is now a two and a half hour detour around the entire Baltimore metro. That's not sustainable.
Think I found the newest new Bucees location.
I walked across the Brooklyn Bridge years ago. At least at the time, you could look down through the WOODEN SLATS that you walked upon and see all the way down to the East River. It was not a pleasurable stroll.YokelRidesAgain said:You want some nightmare fuel, I read a story about this doc who lived right across the way from the bridge when it collapsed and said, hey, I gotta see that. So he gets his kid to come with him and they park at the edge of the massive traffic jam and proceed to walk all the way up the collapsed bridge to the edge, where they proceed to hang around for an hour or so until the cops finally tell them to leave.Fenrir said:
ETA: just saw Yokel post about it.
That's nightmare fuel.
(BTW, as evident from the photo, the roadway of the old Skyway was steel, with gaps where you could look down 180 feet to the water below. It was scary as hell to drive over, and walking up that thing (even without the small issue with MOST OF IT BEING GONE) is a whole lot of nope nope nope.)
Kid still has nightmares 40 years later.
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Slowing down the DC bureaucracy would benefit the whole country.Quote:
Crashing into a bridge to somewhere inconvenience D.C. commuters? It's dumb.
The best thing terrorists could do to harm America, is to keep DC at full capacity.
AggieZUUL said:
how would a power outage cause a container ship to turn sharply? There's gotta be electrical redudancy in place, power backups in the bridge... A steering wheel that can actually be steered? The whole power outage thing looks like a coverup for what was an intentional hit on the bridge. By the way, no bridge should ever lose the whole span like that. it should have breakpoints that sever under massive force to prevent what we're seeing. Lives were lost due to this poor design.
Dude. The engine quit. You can steer all you want, but with no prop turning, the ship is going where the wind and tide take it.
And I'm not an engineer, and I know you're full of beans regarding bridge design.
Just listened to the governor's update on WCBM.
Ship alerted authorities prior to allision that they had a casualty. Traffic was stopped onto the bridge. It is believed the only victims (2 recovered, one in hospital one out, 6 being searched for) were a work crew fixing potholes.
Bridge was up to code.
All ship traffic in/out of port of Baltimore is stopped.
FBI reported no creditable threat or evidence of a terror attack.
Ship alerted authorities prior to allision that they had a casualty. Traffic was stopped onto the bridge. It is believed the only victims (2 recovered, one in hospital one out, 6 being searched for) were a work crew fixing potholes.
Bridge was up to code.
All ship traffic in/out of port of Baltimore is stopped.
FBI reported no creditable threat or evidence of a terror attack.
CDUB98 said:It's impossible to do a bridge of this scale under a billion now.Quote:
yes, and it's going to be in the billions for sure. but there is no viable alternative.
Whats the over under on time to replace?
I am going with 5+ years after award.
Sal at What's Going on With Shipping takes a look at the AIS route.
This one crosses the Missouri river into Nebraska. Not a fun drive listening to the metal panels clank together while watching the river under you.double aught said:
I walked across the Brooklyn Bridge years ago. At least at the time, you could look down through the WOODEN SLATS that you walked upon and see all the way down to the East River. It was not a pleasurable stroll.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burt_County_Missouri_River_Bridge
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Ship alerted authorities prior to allision that they had a casualty. Traffic was stopped onto the bridge.
Wow, that's pleasantly surprising
Opinion only, but 4-5 years to bridge completion and use is not unrealistic. Money could possibly get it down to the 3-4 year time frame.JFABNRGR said:CDUB98 said:It's impossible to do a bridge of this scale under a billion now.Quote:
yes, and it's going to be in the billions for sure. but there is no viable alternative.
Whats the over under on time to replace?
I am going with 5+ years after award.
Oddly, the largest time suck will be the soil/ground investigation and piling/foundation design, likely.
The Fife said:Wouldn't surprise me, a new terminal just opened up within the last year or so in Charleston / North Charleston.BassCowboy33 said:Logos Stick said:
This is interesting.As @JeffFisch notes, the collapse of the Key Bridge means that the Baltimore Port will be unusable for many months.
— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) March 26, 2024
It's the 13th most important US port for foreign trade
The economic impact on the city, which is already plagued by social misery and violent crime, will be huge pic.twitter.com/ZpPcb4Ombs
The guess is traffic gets diverted to Norfolk and Charleston.
I was talking to a Charleston pilot about the politics of Charleston container terminals and it is wild to me that they built the container terminal without rail access. I cant recall the bridge name but it is always jam packed with trucks. Going to significantly reduce the life of that bridge. Is it any better since they opened the one in North Charleston?
Pro Sandy said:
Just listened to the governor's update on WCBM.
Ship alerted authorities prior to allision that they had a casualty. Traffic was stopped onto the bridge. It is believed the only victims (2 recovered, one in hospital one out, 6 being searched for) were a work crew fixing potholes.
Bridge was up to code.
All ship traffic in/out of port of Baltimore is stopped.
FBI reported no creditable threat or evidence of a terror attack.
Sounds like the pilot wasn't an idiot at all. Who would have thunk it.
AggieZUUL said:
how would a power outage cause a container ship to turn sharply? There's gotta be electrical redudancy in place, power backups in the bridge... A steering wheel that can actually be steered? The whole power outage thing looks like a coverup for what was an intentional hit on the bridge. By the way, no bridge should ever lose the whole span like that. it should have breakpoints that sever under massive force to prevent what we're seeing. Lives were lost due to this poor design.
If only the experts and professionals would listen to non-engineers and non-captains like yourself when designing bridges and boats. You obviously have all the answers.
They had a casualty? Someone seriously injured or dead?Pro Sandy said:
Just listened to the governor's update on WCBM.
Ship alerted authorities prior to allision that they had a casualty. Traffic was stopped onto the bridge. It is believed the only victims (2 recovered, one in hospital one out, 6 being searched for) were a work crew fixing potholes.
Bridge was up to code.
All ship traffic in/out of port of Baltimore is stopped.
FBI reported no creditable threat or evidence of a terror attack.
Zergling Rush said:
Of course the crazy comes out immediately..... Is there any chance that hacking a ship can be done?This ship was cyber-attacked.
— Andrew Tate (@Cobratate) March 26, 2024
Lights go off and it deliberately steers towards the bridge supports.
Foreign agents of the USA attack digital infrastructures.
Nothing is safe.
Black Swan event imminent. pic.twitter.com/14SBqK8tJA🚨 Tragedy In Baltimore Maryland: Entire Bridge Collapse
— Ariel (@Prolotario1) March 26, 2024
False Flag?
Deep State Op?
Unexpected accident?
People I have told you all we are dealing with a cornered animal. We can expect many events of this nature.
Why?
The honeypot spilled over today. Which means a lot of… https://t.co/33n4FhVT9F
They have been hacked in the past; but based on the power outage before and them reporting that they lost control, that seems unlikely.
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