My point was more that the Crazy 8 store wasn't something created by the show to drop another Easter Egg. It is an actual store in that mall where they film, and then they decided to keep it. I guess that doesn't matter, but everyone was talking about it as if it was a prop meant to be a reference to BB.

Jimmy was both incredibly self serving and advocating for the elderly so they could get their money while they could still benefit from it.

crazy 8 is both a real store and a prop that was meant to be a reference to BB

The advocating angle is hard to buy considering he basically stomped Irene's happiness into submission. If anyone ever wants to "advocate" for me through similar means, I hope they decide not to.

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The advocating angle is hard to buy considering he basically stomped Irene's happiness into submission. If anyone ever wants to "advocate" for me through similar means, I hope they decide not to.

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I'll decide what's best for you Danny.

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The advocating angle is hard to buy considering he basically stomped Irene's happiness into submission. If anyone ever wants to "advocate" for me through similar means, I hope they decide not to.

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Sorry, just a reach to make a point about the crazy 8 post

In the prior episode Chuck walks past the beer aisle in the supermarket and it is clear that it is not 2003.



In 2003 most beer aisles were full of Bud/Miller/Coors and very limited craft.

Also:

-Santa Fe Brewing (cans in the middle of the second shelf) did not start canning their beers until 2010.

-Abbey Brewing (three sixers on top right) did not open until 2005.

-La Cumbre brewing (cans in the middle bottom) did not open until 2010.

-The new Abita Purple Haze packaging (second from left on second shelf) came out maybe a year ago.

-Shock Top did not come out until 2006.

You guys crack me up. Stop bustin zombies balls for making a prediction.

If someone can refresh me - that Hector / Gus scene. The Mexican HNIC gave the ultimatum that Gus was in charge of logistics now? I thought Hector forced Gus to smuggle some of his drugs in an earlier episode. Didn't understand his reaction.

I thought maybe it was in reaction to Hector's guys getting busted at the border. Only real reason I could think of

Gus had Mike sabotage another one of Hector's trucks, so that Gus could get his supply line. Hector didn't have a way in, so he forced Gus to let him use his trucks, playing in to Gus's hands. In the last episode, Don Eladio was on the phone saying this is how it will go forward, but that's obviously not what Hector wants long term. He is planning on using Nacho's dad's trucks as mules.

I assumed during the show that 1.6 million was the total settlement amount, therefore Jimmy's cut was 20% of 1/3rd of that. They said the math works out so that the plaintiffs make their money back plus a little extra. The suit didn't involve thousands of plaintiffs, and their overcharging was like in the 10's of thousands, not hundreds of thousands, of $'s per plaintiff in the home.

No, jimmy is getting over 1 million. Could be wrong, but I thought they said that multiple times. And jimmy wouldn't be going this crazy over 100k.

I'm not sure if we ever heard the full settlement offer amount, but if jimmy is getting 20% of 33%, then it would have to be over 15 million. Probably somewhere between 20-25 million.

I don't know how many plaintiffs there are. Are there a ton of branches of sandpiper across the country? I'm assuming. But Regardless, I don't think they ever said the plaintiffs would only get their money back. I'm not sure where people are getting that from. I'm sure the offer is more than that.

I thought they said it was $17 million

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No, jimmy is getting over 1 million. Could be wrong, but I thought they said that multiple times. And jimmy wouldn't be going this crazy over 100k.

I'm not sure if we ever heard the full settlement offer amount, but if jimmy is getting 20% of 33%, then it would have to be over 15 million. Probably somewhere between 20-25 million.

I don't know how many plaintiffs there are. Are there a ton of branches of sandpiper across the country? I'm assuming. But Regardless, I don't think they ever said the plaintiffs would only get their money back. I'm not sure where people are getting that from. I'm sure the offer is more than that.

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Yeah, Jimmy definitely said 1.6 million. I was trying to reverse engineer the formula based on what was said.

Lawyers will get 33% of the settlement.
Jimmy's 20% is 20% of that 33%.

If Jimmy's getting 1.6 million, then the 33% pool is $8 million.

multiply 8 x 3 and you get ~$24 million for the entire settlement.

This is the exact transcript from CC that Jimmy says as he is leaving Sandpiper in that opening scene.


Jimmy:

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That can't be right. Can't be right.
17.4 total.
33% is the common fund.
So, on 1/15th, 15 into 17 is... (note the text says "on 1/15th" but audibly sounds like he says "I'm 1/15th")
Carry the 2.
One million one hundred and sixty....
One million one hundred and sixty thousand!!!
<chuckles>
Holy *****

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He did not say 1.6 million.
He said 1.16 million.




EDIT - added this part.....

OK later when talking to Kim he tells her Sandpiper is settling she questions it, etc. and then....

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So, hey, let's celebrate
I can tell that you pulled another all-nighter here, you know?
You got to stop and smell the roses.
Hey, who's got two thumbs, a bottle of Zafira and 20% of the common fund?!

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So when he said the common fund was 33% thats 1/3.
And he has 20% of that or 1/5.
So overall he has 1/15th.

And 1/15 of 17.4 = 1.16.

Thats how he calculated it.

Yes, it was 1.16 million

MATH!

thanks for the correction. either way it is not $100,000

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This is the exact transcript from CC that Jimmy says as he is leaving Sandpiper in that opening scene.


Jimmy:

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That can't be right. Can't be right.
17.4 total.
33% is the common fund.
So, on 1/15th, 15 into 17 is... (note the text says "on 1/15th" but audibly sounds like he says "I'm 1/15th")
Carry the 2.
One million one hundred and sixty....
One million one hundred and sixty thousand!!!
<chuckles>
Holy *****

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He did not say 1.6 million.
He said 1.16 million.




EDIT - added this part.....

OK later when talking to Kim he tells her Sandpiper is settling she questions it, etc. and then....

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So, hey, let's celebrate
I can tell that you pulled another all-nighter here, you know?
You got to stop and smell the roses.
Hey, who's got two thumbs, a bottle of Zafira and 20% of the common fund?!

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So when he said the common fund was 33% thats 1/3.
And he has 20% of that or 1/5.
So overall he has 1/15th.

And 1/15 of 17.4 = 1.16.

Thats how he calculated it.

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wow, he really did it the hard-way. I would have just rounded it out:

1/3 of 17.4 = ~6 million
then thought 10% of 6 million = 600,000
then doubled it to 1.2 million.
Close enough for what he needed.

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MATH!

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Pinkman is not impressed.

even easier though is 1/15 of 17 is a little over a million. done.

i'm surprised he needed any more detail than it's over a million.



Also...funny part to me is if you do 15 into 17.4 the long way....there is never a 2 to carry (or borrow).


15 into 17.4 goes 1 time
Subtract the 15 leaves 2 and bring down the 4.
15 into 24 goes 1 time
Subtract the 5 leaves 9 bring down a zero
15 into 90 goes 6 times
1.16

there is a 2 to "borrow from"....but there is never a 2 "to carry".

Might have been a joke line - sometimes people jokingly say things like "carry the 2" when trying to act like they are doing math in their head. But he was actually trying to solve the problem so....hmmm. So maybe the writers put it in as a joke or maybe they never worked it out on paper and just threw it in there as an expression.

Anyway.... way too much time spent on the math now. LOL.

I just watched the latest episode tonight so I haven't read through all the recent posts so excuse me if this was hashed out or not.

Am I the only one who feels this show is losing me a bit? Just seems like everything is being dragged out way too long.

Jimmy to Saul...Just do it already
Kim out of the picture...Just do it already
Chuck out of the picture...Please God just do it already
Hector in a wheel chair...Just do it already (to a lesser extent)

It's just the same thing over and over. Not sure how many more times I can see Kim contemplate life, Chuck deny his illness, or Jimmy swindle someone for money.

Maybe I'm overreacting but this is my initial reaction after watching this episode.

Yes, it's just you.

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I just watched the latest episode tonight so I haven't read through all the recent posts so excuse me if this was hashed out or not.

Am I the only one who feels this show is losing me a bit? Just seems like everything is being dragged out way too long.

Jimmy to Saul...Just do it already
Kim out of the picture...Just do it already
Chuck out of the picture...Please God just do it already
Hector in a wheel chair...Just do it already (to a lesser extent)

It's just the same thing over and over. Not sure how many more times I can see Kim contemplate life, Chuck deny his illness, or Jimmy swindle someone for money.

Maybe I'm overreacting but this is my initial reaction after watching this episode.

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High horse? WTF?

Was just curious if anyone else felt the same way. Seemed like the first time I've been let down a bit by this series.

Sorry if I offended you with the question.

I don't quite get Gregg's "high horse" comment - or the misspelling of his last name - but Ag_07, I am curious, why the rush to basically get to the end of the show? It's like wanting Game of Thrones to just hurry up and reveal who's going to end up on the throne, when the joy is watching everyone compete. I'm not saying BCS is nearly as compelling as GoT - and I do admit that for me, at least, this past episode was the first one in a while that kind of sort of started to wear thin - but I'd rather root for better drama along the journey than simply call for it to reach its various conclusions.

What does Jimmy becoming Saul change other than his name? He'll still be the exact same person. That, and I've never been more invested in Kim's character, so why write her out now? And I get wanting to be done with Charles, but I love the tension with Hector right now, thinking this was going to be the episode that finally did him in. But instead, we got the scene with Nacho having to come clean and warn his dad, which was far more compelling and heartbreaking than watching Hector finally get his wheelchair, the former of which we would have been robbed of otherwise.

Overall, I've just never understood the need from certain viewers to simply get on with it and arrive at the show we've already seen. I get the impulse, but it's a bit like a dog chasing a car... what happens when it finally "catches" it? What do we do then? We've been there, done that already. I would much rather linger in the current world as long as we can, as long as the drama holds up, which I feel that it has for the most part. Especially earlier in the season, which was as good as this show has ever been.

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Overall, I've just never understood the need from certain viewers to simply get on with it and arrive at the show we've already seen. I get the impulse, but it's a bit like a dog chasing a car... what happens when it finally "catches" it? What do we do then? We've been there, done that already. I would much rather linger in the current world as long as we can, as long as the drama holds up, which I feel that it has for the most part. Especially earlier in the season, which was as good as this show has ever been.

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I'm in no rush to catch up with Breaking Bad; as you said we've already seen that show. But I know this show is going to have a limited number of seasons and I'd like to see a decent amount of Saul Goodman (practicing law for shady characters). I'd also like to see some more follow up on post-Breaking Bad life, which the creators promised.

So I guess I would say, at this point, they've established the characters and motives. I don't think it needs to be a Mad Men-style slow burn of glacial character movement.

Like I've been saying for a few years, this show isn't for everyone and I don't blame those who don't like the slow burn.

The clear decision of the show writers when they started this was that a lot of action was pointless because we all know how almost all the people in the show end up, it would come across cartoonish. The story is on how they get there. It's a purposely slow moving character study that raises the idea of detail and nuance to new heights for a major show. Not everyone will buy into that, especially with how different it is than BB.

Having said that, I think the Chuck storyline played itself out a while back. They could definitely dump that and no one would care. I would also say that the last few episodes have felt a bit more contrived and less in the mastery of details and how it's shot, which has always been something I loved about this show, its writing and filming style generally avoids the pitfalls of other shows. Ratings have reflected it too. Hope that the finale steers us back on course a bit in that regard.

It's also interesting that it still hasn't been renewed, I am wondering if the decision is being held up over a discussion of an end game, how long they want to go and how long the network wants them to. Like they would like to announce two more years and done or something,

I can understand that, and yeah, I absolutely want more of Jimmy's post-BB life as well. Someone in the thread said a while back that there's no drama there, but the writers can literally invent anything. You're telling me there's not a compelling story to mine of Jimmy basically having to go into hiding, under yet another false name, and the drama that could come from him getting outed or having to go on the run?

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That's the impression I get. I have a feeling that when the announcement comes, we'll know exactly how much more we're getting, and exactly when it's going to end. In a perfect world, I'd take one more season pre/alongside Breaking Bad, with Jimmy as Saul, and wrap up Chuck/Kim/etc toward the end of next season, then a fifth season of Cinnabon Saul and whatever that might entail.

Actually, what if in the Cinnabon season (should there be one) they play it kind of like the second half of True Detective season one, where the main characters are somehow reunited all these years later? What if there's some kind of epic meltdown/breakup between Jimmy/Kim next season, but the Cinnabon season is 2009/2010-ish, and Jimmy decides - for whatever reason - to try and reestablish contact with Kim? I have no idea why or how they'd make that work, but either way, it would be nice to finally see Jimmy mature/come to some kind of understanding, and get a sliver of a happy ending.

Yeah, I'm assuming they want a 2 year plan. I also think this show has some ratings ups and downs because of BB fans waiting to binge watch, so they probably want some year end numbers before making a deal.

Yeah, you're probably right.

It's not that I want it to get to the end, but I want to see Saul.

We've seen Jimmy con people. I want to see how Saul gets his practice started and gets around the bar restrictions. I want to see him making his own commercials. I want to see the shady characters he deals with and how he meets them. I want to see him practicing law.

It feels like Mike is the only character that's progressed much and I get the feel that they're just regurgitating material. For the first time I'm starting to get a stuck in a rut vibe.

I feel like they can wrap up some of the storylines and open new ones without going straight to the end of the show. BB did a great job of doing this and avoided this repetitive feel. And I'm not saying I'm done with the show and it's garbage. Just for the first time feels like it's slipping a bit.

Regarding Kim - I'm surprised that no one has mentioned/analyzed the scene where her car got stuck in the desert next to the oil well.

Here's my take - I think that the writers are teasing us regarding when & how she's gonna die. When her car got stuck, my first thought was that she was gonna try to call the oil guy to come help her (since the last thing he said before driving off was 'call my cell if you need to'). I figured she'd try that, wouldn't have a signal, and then he stuck in the desert and potentially die from exposure. But ta da - she was able to free her car. So what was the point of that scene, if not to tease us?

Combine that with her wreck, and I think that makes two teaser scenes that she's survived. I could see the writers throwing a couple more scenes like that at us, then suddenly she dies when a piano falls on her from a second story window or something.