Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Kim said as much last night when she was going over the situation with Jimmy out in the lobby of their offices. Right before he stormed out and went to Chuck's house.TriumphForks said:
I guess his fatal character flaw as a con man is he cares too much about his brother.
Still though - even though there were witnesses to him destroying the tape couldn't he still say in court that the only reason he confessed to Chuck was because he perceived that Chuck was disturbed so he just told him what he knew he wanted to hear so that he would snap out of it? Obviously not knowing he was being recorded and then finding out that Chuck planned to use his "fake" confession against him which would still be motivation enough to go and destroy the tape.
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Kim gave him the defense strategy after calling her old professor.
Yeah, I understand his character. It's just a frustrating character to root for.
He's a guy, who normally sees all the angles, and uses them to his advantage, but then continually poops in his own bed (especially when it comes to a brother who doesnt like him). A one step forward, two steps back kind of guy.
The show's story hit the ground running this season.
Curious to see how long Kim's in the picture, and how they eventually split.
He's a guy, who normally sees all the angles, and uses them to his advantage, but then continually poops in his own bed (especially when it comes to a brother who doesnt like him). A one step forward, two steps back kind of guy.
The show's story hit the ground running this season.
Curious to see how long Kim's in the picture, and how they eventually split.
Jimmy was making it so obvious when watching the guy in Pollos. Im sure Gus was onto it quick and didn't grab the bag like he usually does.
Yep. I thought the same thing.
He's always been kind of a push over, even after he "broke bad" (like him vs Walt and Mike and Jesse at times in BB)
Yes, Gus is way ahead of Mike and Saul.
When Gus is in the parking lot and we see his face for the first time, he is facing the camera, but in the background we see Saul driving away and Mike parked there. The implication is that Gus knows exactly what is going on in the background. He has obviously followed Saul out there and seen where he was parked and who he was with.
When Gus is in the parking lot and we see his face for the first time, he is facing the camera, but in the background we see Saul driving away and Mike parked there. The implication is that Gus knows exactly what is going on in the background. He has obviously followed Saul out there and seen where he was parked and who he was with.
I don't think he knew Mike was involved until that point, so I don't think he realized anything was going on until Jimmy was in there acting weird. You can see his whole demeanor change when he realizes Jimmy was with Mike.OldArmy71 said:
Yes, Gus is way ahead of Mike and Saul.
When Gus is in the parking lot and we see his face for the first time, he is facing the camera, but in the background we see Saul driving away and Mike parked there. The implication is that Gus knows exactly what is going on in the background. He has obviously followed Saul out there and seen where he was parked and who he was with.
Last night was a slow burn, but it went down smooth. As somebody who has a rocky relationship with their older brother I totally get Saul's reaction to the betrayal. Such a great show.
Jimmy's defense will be this:
Chuck is a whackjob and I was only trying to help. I've been taking care of him for years. He messed up the address on his case and had a mental breakdown. I lied to him and told him everything he wanted to hear in hopes he would snap out of it. Instead he recorded the conversation and used it to get me angry to goad me into blowing up in front of his hired witness (who just so happened to be there at that exact time). I agree I messed up in breaking down his door and breaking his desk.
With a jury trial, they'd feel sorry for Jimmy and he'd probably get off with a wrist slap. Chuck would be exposed as a whacko in front of the entire city.
In fact, this could be the reason he switches names. HHM drops the M and Jimmy publicly becomes Saul to separate himself from Chuck's tainted name. Saul keeps his clients and makes a killing by looking to be the compassionate brother while Chuck's reputation is ruined.
Chuck is a whackjob and I was only trying to help. I've been taking care of him for years. He messed up the address on his case and had a mental breakdown. I lied to him and told him everything he wanted to hear in hopes he would snap out of it. Instead he recorded the conversation and used it to get me angry to goad me into blowing up in front of his hired witness (who just so happened to be there at that exact time). I agree I messed up in breaking down his door and breaking his desk.
With a jury trial, they'd feel sorry for Jimmy and he'd probably get off with a wrist slap. Chuck would be exposed as a whacko in front of the entire city.
In fact, this could be the reason he switches names. HHM drops the M and Jimmy publicly becomes Saul to separate himself from Chuck's tainted name. Saul keeps his clients and makes a killing by looking to be the compassionate brother while Chuck's reputation is ruined.
I thought the same thing, and wondered about the ending.
Does Jimmy blowing up and charging into Chuck's house really change anything substantial? His defense is the same. He said what he had to, just to get his brother to snap out of his well-documented mental cycles. When he found out his brother had tried to set him up with a tape, he flipped out.
What's really different?
Also, what was Kim doing, changing the punctuation 30 times? Was she just worried about filing the documents, and obsessing over the details because she knew Jimmy had gotten her that client nefariously?
Does Jimmy blowing up and charging into Chuck's house really change anything substantial? His defense is the same. He said what he had to, just to get his brother to snap out of his well-documented mental cycles. When he found out his brother had tried to set him up with a tape, he flipped out.
What's really different?
Also, what was Kim doing, changing the punctuation 30 times? Was she just worried about filing the documents, and obsessing over the details because she knew Jimmy had gotten her that client nefariously?
I was thinking there are probably charges which would cause one to lose their law license in NM, perhaps breaking and entering is a felony and would cause him to lose the right to practice law - which Chuck wants. Maybe that is when he counters with "I'll change my name to not embarrass you or the family" as a plea deal?AgGrad99 said:
I thought the same thing, and wondered about the ending.
Does Jimmy blowing up and charging into Chuck's house really change anything substantial? His defense is the same. He said what he had to, just to get his brother to snap out of his well-documented mental cycles. When he found out his brother had tried to set him up with a tape, he flipped out.
What's really different?
Also, what was Kim doing, changing the punctuation 30 times? Was she just worried about filing the documents, and obsessing over the details because she knew Jimmy had gotten her that client nefariously?
Quote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Kim said as much last night when she was going over the situation with Jimmy out in the lobby of their offices. Right before he stormed out and went to Chuck's house.Quote:
TriumphForks said:
I guess his fatal character flaw as a con man is he cares too much about his brother.
Still though - even though there were witnesses to him destroying the tape couldn't he still say in court that the only reason he confessed to Chuck was because he perceived that Chuck was disturbed so he just told him what he knew he wanted to hear so that he would snap out of it? Obviously not knowing he was being recorded and then finding out that Chuck planned to use his "fake" confession against him which would still be motivation enough to go and destroy the tape.
The out come of all this will be Jimmy having Chuck commited. The tin foil, cell phones, etc., will all be convincing enough to put him in a looney bin. I can envision Jimmy's criminal atty being a slime ball, putting a cell phone in Chuck's hand while he's on the stand and having him melt down in front of a jury to prove the point. This will also be Jimmy's first real close look at what a slimy criminal defense atty looks like.
Perhaps. But Jimmy's been Chuck's primary care taker with access to the house for years now.Quote:
I was thinking there are probably charges which would cause one to lose their law license in NM, perhaps breaking and entering is a felony and would cause him to lose the right to practice law - which Chuck wants. Maybe that is when he counters with "I'll change my name to not embarrass you or the family" as a plea deal?
I bet your right though, and could see this being the reason for the name change.
Not sure if "On the next episode" is out of bounds/considered a spoiler, but per that he will be representing himself.Ag00Ag said:Quote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Kim said as much last night when she was going over the situation with Jimmy out in the lobby of their offices. Right before he stormed out and went to Chuck's house.Quote:
TriumphForks said:
I guess his fatal character flaw as a con man is he cares too much about his brother.
Still though - even though there were witnesses to him destroying the tape couldn't he still say in court that the only reason he confessed to Chuck was because he perceived that Chuck was disturbed so he just told him what he knew he wanted to hear so that he would snap out of it? Obviously not knowing he was being recorded and then finding out that Chuck planned to use his "fake" confession against him which would still be motivation enough to go and destroy the tape.
The out come of all this will be Jimmy having Chuck commited. The tin foil, cell phones, etc., will all be convincing enough to put him in a looney bin. I can envision Jimmy's criminal atty being a slime ball, putting a cell phone in Chuck's hand while he's on the stand and having him melt down in front of a jury to prove the point. This will also be Jimmy's first real close look at what a slimy criminal defense atty looks like.
Loved when he asked the receptionist if the "M" in the wexler/McGill mural on the wall was crooked. She said yes, he says "perfect" great symbolism of him being a crooked lawyer
Or when he was removing the tape from the wall the exact way Chuck told him to do at his house.
Junkhead said:
Or when he was removing the tape from the wall the exact way Chuck told him to do at his house.
until the end and he ripped it off....and if you notice it left uneven edges when he did that. lol..
Ervin Burrell said:Not sure if "On the next episode" is out of bounds/considered a spoiler, but per that he will be representing himself.Ag00Ag said:Quote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Kim said as much last night when she was going over the situation with Jimmy out in the lobby of their offices. Right before he stormed out and went to Chuck's house.Quote:
TriumphForks said:
I guess his fatal character flaw as a con man is he cares too much about his brother.
Still though - even though there were witnesses to him destroying the tape couldn't he still say in court that the only reason he confessed to Chuck was because he perceived that Chuck was disturbed so he just told him what he knew he wanted to hear so that he would snap out of it? Obviously not knowing he was being recorded and then finding out that Chuck planned to use his "fake" confession against him which would still be motivation enough to go and destroy the tape.
The out come of all this will be Jimmy having Chuck commited. The tin foil, cell phones, etc., will all be convincing enough to put him in a looney bin. I can envision Jimmy's criminal atty being a slime ball, putting a cell phone in Chuck's hand while he's on the stand and having him melt down in front of a jury to prove the point. This will also be Jimmy's first real close look at what a slimy criminal defense atty looks like.
well....that may be his initial reaction......I have the feeling he is going to be convinced to let some shady lawyer represent him courtesy of maybe Gus Fring who is now aware of him. Part of turning him to the dark side and owing Gus. maybe. Remember it was Saul Goodman that put Walter White in touch with Gus Fring and set up their first meet at Los Pollos Hermanos.
1. Chuck has become my most hated villian of all time
2. I vaguely remember a subplot about Jimmy having custody of Chuck from last season. Could Jimmy have Chuck committed?
3. Gus gets the content from the bag at Los Pollos Hermanos using the broom/dustpan, right?
4. Walt met Gus thru Saul by way of "his guy" that we later find out to be Mike. Saul did not know about Gus at that time.
2. I vaguely remember a subplot about Jimmy having custody of Chuck from last season. Could Jimmy have Chuck committed?
3. Gus gets the content from the bag at Los Pollos Hermanos using the broom/dustpan, right?
4. Walt met Gus thru Saul by way of "his guy" that we later find out to be Mike. Saul did not know about Gus at that time.
Its going to be awesome when Michael McKean and Bob Odenkrk win Emmys. A guy from Spinal Tap and a guy from Mr Show.
3. Gus gets the content from the bag at Los Pollos Hermanos using the broom/dustpan, right?
Wouldnt that bag be full of drugs? I'm pretty sure Gus' guy pulled a brick of coke or meth out of the stash spot. So assuming that bag is full of drugs, there is no way he would get the content from the bag in the open in front of customers.
I just assumed he was going to just get the whole bag, but when Jimmy was making it obvious he was looking at the guy with the back, Gus backed off. It probably wouldnt have been a big deal for the guy to leave the bag under the seat (like he forgot it), then a minute or so later for Gus to grab it and bring it in the back.
Wouldnt that bag be full of drugs? I'm pretty sure Gus' guy pulled a brick of coke or meth out of the stash spot. So assuming that bag is full of drugs, there is no way he would get the content from the bag in the open in front of customers.
I just assumed he was going to just get the whole bag, but when Jimmy was making it obvious he was looking at the guy with the back, Gus backed off. It probably wouldnt have been a big deal for the guy to leave the bag under the seat (like he forgot it), then a minute or so later for Gus to grab it and bring it in the back.
The D said:
3. Gus gets the content from the bag at Los Pollos Hermanos using the broom/dustpan, right?
Wouldnt that bag be full of drugs? I'm pretty sure Gus' guy pulled a brick of coke or meth out of the stash spot. So assuming that bag is full of drugs, there is no way he would get the content from the bag in the open in front of customers.
I just assumed he was going to just get the whole bag, but when Jimmy was making it obvious he was looking at the guy with the back, Gus backed off. It probably wouldnt have been a big deal for the guy to leave the bag under the seat (like he forgot it), then a minute or so later for Gus to grab it and bring it in the back.
He went to multiple stash spots and pulled a brick out of each to fill the bag.
My guess is Gus backed off because they knew what Mike was doing by watching them and they did a dry run to confuse the situation. Remember that Mike then got led down the goose chase only to find out he was being ****ed with when he saw the gas cap in the road with the phone ringing.
My bet is the drop works differently when it's a normal run. No way it's done right in the middle of the store. It was clearly meant to show that he wasnt doing anything with the bag. Showing Gus sweep up near him was just to build the drama.
Zombie Jon Snow said:Ervin Burrell said:Not sure if "On the next episode" is out of bounds/considered a spoiler, but per that he will be representing himself.Ag00Ag said:Quote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Kim said as much last night when she was going over the situation with Jimmy out in the lobby of their offices. Right before he stormed out and went to Chuck's house.Quote:
TriumphForks said:
I guess his fatal character flaw as a con man is he cares too much about his brother.
Still though - even though there were witnesses to him destroying the tape couldn't he still say in court that the only reason he confessed to Chuck was because he perceived that Chuck was disturbed so he just told him what he knew he wanted to hear so that he would snap out of it? Obviously not knowing he was being recorded and then finding out that Chuck planned to use his "fake" confession against him which would still be motivation enough to go and destroy the tape.
The out come of all this will be Jimmy having Chuck commited. The tin foil, cell phones, etc., will all be convincing enough to put him in a looney bin. I can envision Jimmy's criminal atty being a slime ball, putting a cell phone in Chuck's hand while he's on the stand and having him melt down in front of a jury to prove the point. This will also be Jimmy's first real close look at what a slimy criminal defense atty looks like.
well....that may be his initial reaction......I have the feeling he is going to be convinced to let some shady lawyer represent him courtesy of maybe Gus Fring who is now aware of him. Part of turning him to the dark side and owing Gus. maybe. Remember it was Saul Goodman that put Walter White in touch with Gus Fring and set up their first meet at Los Pollos Hermanos.
Drugs go out and money comes in. I assume those were dead drops for the incoming money from his multiple dealers not drugs. Remember in Breaking Bad when Mike led Jesse all over the place to pick up money drops? I think this is that sort of thing.The D said:
3. Gus gets the content from the bag at Los Pollos Hermanos using the broom/dustpan, right?
Wouldnt that bag be full of drugs? I'm pretty sure Gus' guy pulled a brick of coke or meth out of the stash spot. So assuming that bag is full of drugs, there is no way he would get the content from the bag in the open in front of customers.
I just assumed he was going to just get the whole bag, but when Jimmy was making it obvious he was looking at the guy with the back, Gus backed off. It probably wouldnt have been a big deal for the guy to leave the bag under the seat (like he forgot it), then a minute or so later for Gus to grab it and bring it in the back.
I think Kim ends up representing Jimmy because he can't afford anyone else. She puts Chuck on the stand and grills the hell out of him. He has a seizure, keels over and dies. Trial erupts into total chaos. Judge declares a mistrial and admonishes Kim for her treatment of Chuck. Meanwhile, Mesa sues Kim over her mishandling of their case, failing to make necessary filings, etc. She's run out of town in disgrace, probably losing her license. Even though Jimmy walks, what's left of his shaky reputation is totally destroyed, driving him once and for all into the loving embrace of his alter-ego, Saul. I'm sure it won't happen this way but it's fun to speculate.DG-Ag said:Zombie Jon Snow said:Ervin Burrell said:Not sure if "On the next episode" is out of bounds/considered a spoiler, but per that he will be representing himself.Ag00Ag said:Quote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Kim said as much last night when she was going over the situation with Jimmy out in the lobby of their offices. Right before he stormed out and went to Chuck's house.Quote:
TriumphForks said:
I guess his fatal character flaw as a con man is he cares too much about his brother.
Still though - even though there were witnesses to him destroying the tape couldn't he still say in court that the only reason he confessed to Chuck was because he perceived that Chuck was disturbed so he just told him what he knew he wanted to hear so that he would snap out of it? Obviously not knowing he was being recorded and then finding out that Chuck planned to use his "fake" confession against him which would still be motivation enough to go and destroy the tape.
The out come of all this will be Jimmy having Chuck commited. The tin foil, cell phones, etc., will all be convincing enough to put him in a looney bin. I can envision Jimmy's criminal atty being a slime ball, putting a cell phone in Chuck's hand while he's on the stand and having him melt down in front of a jury to prove the point. This will also be Jimmy's first real close look at what a slimy criminal defense atty looks like.
well....that may be his initial reaction......I have the feeling he is going to be convinced to let some shady lawyer represent him courtesy of maybe Gus Fring who is now aware of him. Part of turning him to the dark side and owing Gus. maybe. Remember it was Saul Goodman that put Walter White in touch with Gus Fring and set up their first meet at Los Pollos Hermanos.
Edit: Took me a few tries to figure out the whole spoiler thing. That's why I ended up replying to myself.
Is Gus a massive Kingpin at this point? We don't know, do we? I do remember some stuff that showed back in the day in mexico. I thought I saw his guy pulling what looked like a brick of coke out of the drop site and putting it into the bag. It makes more sense if its money but it looked like coke,aTmAg said:Drugs go out and money comes in. I assume those were dead drops for the incoming money from his multiple dealers not drugs. Remember in Breaking Bad when Mike led Jesse all over the place to pick up money drops? I think this is that sort of thing.The D said:
3. Gus gets the content from the bag at Los Pollos Hermanos using the broom/dustpan, right?
Wouldnt that bag be full of drugs? I'm pretty sure Gus' guy pulled a brick of coke or meth out of the stash spot. So assuming that bag is full of drugs, there is no way he would get the content from the bag in the open in front of customers.
I just assumed he was going to just get the whole bag, but when Jimmy was making it obvious he was looking at the guy with the back, Gus backed off. It probably wouldnt have been a big deal for the guy to leave the bag under the seat (like he forgot it), then a minute or so later for Gus to grab it and bring it in the back.
If you had money out in the elements you would want it to be protected. Id bet all of Gus dealers stash their money and the Bag Man picks it up each night/early morning.
My interpretation was:
1. The bag man collected the money and bundled it all together.
2. Bag man goes into Los Pollos Hermanos gets breakfast and sits down the face of the bag open outwards.
3. Gus comes out and makes his round with broom and dustpan and sweeps the money bundle into the dustpan.
4. Gus then goes to the back of the restaurant and stashes the money bundle while the bag man leaves.
It'd be a system of drops with no communication between Gus and the bag man. It's extremely careful and even if someone (Jimmy) was looking for it, they'd never suspect it. It's a very Gus thing to do.
1. The bag man collected the money and bundled it all together.
2. Bag man goes into Los Pollos Hermanos gets breakfast and sits down the face of the bag open outwards.
3. Gus comes out and makes his round with broom and dustpan and sweeps the money bundle into the dustpan.
4. Gus then goes to the back of the restaurant and stashes the money bundle while the bag man leaves.
It'd be a system of drops with no communication between Gus and the bag man. It's extremely careful and even if someone (Jimmy) was looking for it, they'd never suspect it. It's a very Gus thing to do.
This start to this season has been great, I hope they continue to keep up these great shows throughout. One thing is for sure is that Wlking Dead needs to take note and follow a similar philosophy of great writing.
This show is so amazing. The details and nods to BB are very satisfying. Did anyone notice Mike driving down the road with the Pollos Hermanos sign on the left and the Dead End sign on the right?
Bobcat06 said:
My interpretation was:
1. The bag man collected the money and bundled it all together.
2. Bag man goes into Los Pollos Hermanos gets breakfast and sits down the face of the bag open outwards.
3. Gus comes out and makes his round with broom and dustpan and sweeps the money bundle into the dustpan.
4. Gus then goes to the back of the restaurant and stashes the money bundle while the bag man leaves.
It'd be a system of drops with no communication between Gus and the bag man. It's extremely careful and even if someone (Jimmy) was looking for it, they'd never suspect it. It's a very Gus thing to do.
Using a dust bin to sweep loads and loads of cash out of a bag is hardly something you could do without getting noticed, or spending an inordinate amount of time at the feet of a supposed regular customer. And then what? He just walks to the back of the restaurant with 20 grand cash in a dustbin and no one notices?
Using the dustpan to collect money is something TWD or SoA would do
So people all over the city each produce a single brick of coke, and place it at a dead drop, and a courier goes all over the city collecting single bricks of coke and then brings it to Gus's store? That wouldn't make any sense. Somebody makes the drugs in bulk and that is dispersed to suppliers/individual dealers. That wouldn't be done anywhere near the store.The D said:Is Gus a massive Kingpin at this point? We don't know, do we? I do remember some stuff that showed back in the day in mexico. I thought I saw his guy pulling what looked like a brick of coke out of the drop site and putting it into the bag. It makes more sense if its money but it looked like coke,aTmAg said:Drugs go out and money comes in. I assume those were dead drops for the incoming money from his multiple dealers not drugs. Remember in Breaking Bad when Mike led Jesse all over the place to pick up money drops? I think this is that sort of thing.The D said:
3. Gus gets the content from the bag at Los Pollos Hermanos using the broom/dustpan, right?
Wouldnt that bag be full of drugs? I'm pretty sure Gus' guy pulled a brick of coke or meth out of the stash spot. So assuming that bag is full of drugs, there is no way he would get the content from the bag in the open in front of customers.
I just assumed he was going to just get the whole bag, but when Jimmy was making it obvious he was looking at the guy with the back, Gus backed off. It probably wouldnt have been a big deal for the guy to leave the bag under the seat (like he forgot it), then a minute or so later for Gus to grab it and bring it in the back.
I assume that there is a signal (or lack thereof) that Gus gave the courier that told him to cancel the drop. If I were to setup a drop at the store, then I'd do it in the bathroom. The courier goes into the stall, opens a trap door or something, sticks the money in there, flushes, and then leaves with his bag like nothing happend. Later Gus goes in there, takes the money, and puts it in the store safe to launder/deposit later.
Okay, this is all well and good, but there was one detail about Jimmy that came up TWICE in the episode that I didn't see anyone mention:
Jimmy has a velcro wallet.
Jimmy has a velcro wallet.
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