I know this is probably captain obvious but it's just so apropos imho.....

Jimmy, who Chuck regards as an incompetent lawyer, completely played Chuck like a fiddle on the stand. Even when Chuck condescendingly would see through what Jimmy was doing - it was intentional that he would see through it and played right into the next step of the plan. He was so overconfident and smug.....that was gold.


Also...The way Chuck overanalyzes everything (remember him rehearsing his testimony and the amount of time he spent figuring out the error on the Mesa Verde thing) he would have to reflect on this and see he was outplayed completely. But he probably won't he will go down kicking and screaming. That's what will probably end Hamlin's support.

I don't think Chuck views Jimmy as an incompetent lawyer. Chuck doesn't think Jimmy deserves to be a lawyer at all for a lot of reasons.

I think Chuck realizes Jimmy is smart and competent, but of course he very much underestimates Jimmy. Chuck also overestimates himself. He knows he will out smart Jimmy, but more because he feels so superior rather than thinking Jimmy is a fool.

Chuck is jealous of Jimmy because people actually like him. Everything Chuck could hold onto that made him better than Jimmy is going down the tubes; his marriage, career, reputation, sanity, etc.

That episode was simply perfect. Best of the series so far.

Just finished watching it after DVRing it.

Another fantastic episode. And while I enjoy Mike and Gus I don't need for an episode to have them in it in order to like it.

I really hope buzz picks up for this show on its next hiatus. Don't want AMC getting any ideas about nixing it.

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Don't want AMC getting any ideas about nixing it.

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i'd be pissed- like John From Cincinnati pissed.

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I really hope buzz picks up for this show on its next hiatus. Don't want AMC getting any ideas about nixing it.

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Didn't the ratings for BB start off pretty low too? I hope AMC doesn't forget that!

oops

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So Hillary firing "the guy investigating her" the day after she was inagurated (in a parallel universe that libs wish they could transport to) that would be fine, right? Since the email investigation was "fake news" but the Russian one is very real? Right?

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Are you suggesting Jimmy has something to do with the Russians?

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So Hillary firing "the guy investigating her" the day after she was inagurated (in a parallel universe that libs wish they could transport to) that would be fine, right? Since the email investigation was "fake news" but the Russian one is very real? Right?

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Actually Hillary was going to have Mike take out Comey, Huell is going to help him.

So, back to the "beginning of season supposed flash forwards".

I can't see the reason for showing these if they are truly post Breaking-Bad (unless Saul is going to say "Screw this, I want back in the game... and we see at the end of this series Saul going back into business).

I think something really bad happens at the end of this series that drives Jimmy into Witness Protection/hiding AFTER he was already set to start airing his Saul Goodman commercials. he never could get that going because of the "bad thing" but he had the commercials made. Him watching the commercials in one of those openings were commercials that never aired.

After he wakes up from the hospital, he says "life is too short" and becomes Saul Goodman and the series ends.

You believe gene at cinnabon is pre breaking bad? 0 chance

So.... something so bad it would drive him into witness protection but he decides to just take his chances and lives in the same town under a different name and runs commercials with his face all over them.

Ummmmmm. Ok.

Pretty sure cinnabon is post-BB. Saul hired the same guy Walt did to change his identity and get him out of New Mexico.

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Pretty sure cinnabon is post-BB. Saul hired the same guy Walt did to change his identity and get him out of New Mexico.

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It absolutely is. Saul even mentioned that he would probably end up working in a Cinnabon in Nebraska in BB before he called the vacuum cleaner repair guy.

hahaha wrong thread

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Pretty sure cinnabon is post-BB. Saul hired the same guy Walt did to change his identity and get him out of New Mexico.

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Saul gave WALT that info, Right?

Where did Saul first learn about that guy?

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Pretty sure cinnabon is post-BB. Saul hired the same guy Walt did to change his identity and get him out of New Mexico.

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Saul gave WALT that info, Right?

Where did Saul first learn about that guy?

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They make him look older and more bald in the flash forwards.

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Pretty sure cinnabon is post-BB. Saul hired the same guy Walt did to change his identity and get him out of New Mexico.

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Saul gave WALT that info, Right?

Where did Saul first learn about that guy?

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You're right about Saul giving Walt the info originally I believe. Did he learn about him from Mike?

my 2nd favorite character from BB

It was just a WAG. probably wrong, but it seems weird for them to just show snippets of his Cinnabon life after BB.

but to double-down on it, he is more bald because that's part of his disguise in Witness Protection, like the bad mustache as well.

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but it seems weird for them to just show snippets of his Cinnabon life after BB.

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Not really. You're seeing the life of a wistful, broken guy paying for his "sins." The flash forwards are a set up to his story, since BB wasn't really about him.

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So, back to the "beginning of season supposed flash forwards".

I can't see the reason for showing these if they are truly post Breaking-Bad (unless Saul is going to say "Screw this, I want back in the game... and we see at the end of this series Saul going back into business).

I think something really bad happens at the end of this series that drives Jimmy into Witness Protection/hiding AFTER he was already set to start airing his Saul Goodman commercials. he never could get that going because of the "bad thing" but he had the commercials made. Him watching the commercials in one of those openings were commercials that never aired.

After he wakes up from the hospital, he says "life is too short" and becomes Saul Goodman and the series ends.

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Don't mind that they've shown him watching his old Saul Goodman commercials to relive the good ol' days.

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So, back to the "beginning of season supposed flash forwards".

I can't see the reason for showing these if they are truly post Breaking-Bad (unless Saul is going to say "Screw this, I want back in the game... and we see at the end of this series Saul going back into business).

I think something really bad happens at the end of this series that drives Jimmy into Witness Protection/hiding AFTER he was already set to start airing his Saul Goodman commercials. he never could get that going because of the "bad thing" but he had the commercials made. Him watching the commercials in one of those openings were commercials that never aired.

After he wakes up from the hospital, he says "life is too short" and becomes Saul Goodman and the series ends.

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What you've just written is one of the most insanely idiotic things I've ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response was there anything that could even be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul!

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So, back to the "beginning of season supposed flash forwards".

I can't see the reason for showing these if they are truly post Breaking-Bad (unless Saul is going to say "Screw this, I want back in the game... and we see at the end of this series Saul going back into business).

I think something really bad happens at the end of this series that drives Jimmy into Witness Protection/hiding AFTER he was already set to start airing his Saul Goodman commercials. he never could get that going because of the "bad thing" but he had the commercials made. Him watching the commercials in one of those openings were commercials that never aired.

After he wakes up from the hospital, he says "life is too short" and becomes Saul Goodman and the series ends.

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Well, everyone knows that Jimmy/Saul goes into hiding after the Breaking Bad timeline. What this post presupposes is, maybe he didn't?

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So, back to the "beginning of season supposed flash forwards".

I can't see the reason for showing these if they are truly post Breaking-Bad (unless Saul is going to say "Screw this, I want back in the game... and we see at the end of this series Saul going back into business).

I think something really bad happens at the end of this series that drives Jimmy into Witness Protection/hiding AFTER he was already set to start airing his Saul Goodman commercials. he never could get that going because of the "bad thing" but he had the commercials made. Him watching the commercials in one of those openings were commercials that never aired.

After he wakes up from the hospital, he says "life is too short" and becomes Saul Goodman and the series ends.

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Don't mind that they've shown him watching his old Saul Goodman commercials to relive the good ol' days.

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Did you read my post that explains that part? Or were you just here for the gangbang?

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So, back to the "beginning of season supposed flash forwards".

I can't see the reason for showing these if they are truly post Breaking-Bad (unless Saul is going to say "Screw this, I want back in the game... and we see at the end of this series Saul going back into business).

I think something really bad happens at the end of this series that drives Jimmy into Witness Protection/hiding AFTER he was already set to start airing his Saul Goodman commercials. he never could get that going because of the "bad thing" but he had the commercials made. Him watching the commercials in one of those openings were commercials that never aired.

After he wakes up from the hospital, he says "life is too short" and becomes Saul Goodman and the series ends.

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Don't mind that they've shown him watching his old Saul Goodman commercials to relive the good ol' days.

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Did you read my post that explains that part? Or were you just here for the gangbang?

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So what you're saying is, Jimmy goes into Witness relocation as Gene at Cinnabon. Then he says eff it, and goes back to ABQ, changes his name to Saul Goodman, re-establishes his relationship with his secretary, Mike, Huell, lives his life as in BB, then gets a new identity again?

Is that what you're really saying happens?

Gangbang is not a word I recall hearing in either series.

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91_Aggie said:

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So, back to the "beginning of season supposed flash forwards".

I can't see the reason for showing these if they are truly post Breaking-Bad (unless Saul is going to say "Screw this, I want back in the game... and we see at the end of this series Saul going back into business).

I think something really bad happens at the end of this series that drives Jimmy into Witness Protection/hiding AFTER he was already set to start airing his Saul Goodman commercials. he never could get that going because of the "bad thing" but he had the commercials made. Him watching the commercials in one of those openings were commercials that never aired.

After he wakes up from the hospital, he says "life is too short" and becomes Saul Goodman and the series ends.

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Don't mind that they've shown him watching his old Saul Goodman commercials to relive the good ol' days.

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Did you read my post that explains that part? Or were you just here for the gangbang?

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So what you're saying is, Jimmy goes into Witness relocation as Gene at Cinnabon. Then he says eff it, and goes back to ABQ, changes his name to Saul Goodman, re-establishes his relationship with his secretary, Mike, Huell, lives his life as in BB, then gets a new identity again?

Is that what you're really saying happens?

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Hey now... we never saw him actually get a new identity and live his life after BB in the BB series.

Look, I already said it was a WAG. I'm happy to be wrong about it.

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91_Aggie said:

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91_Aggie said:

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So, back to the "beginning of season supposed flash forwards".

I can't see the reason for showing these if they are truly post Breaking-Bad (unless Saul is going to say "Screw this, I want back in the game... and we see at the end of this series Saul going back into business).

I think something really bad happens at the end of this series that drives Jimmy into Witness Protection/hiding AFTER he was already set to start airing his Saul Goodman commercials. he never could get that going because of the "bad thing" but he had the commercials made. Him watching the commercials in one of those openings were commercials that never aired.

After he wakes up from the hospital, he says "life is too short" and becomes Saul Goodman and the series ends.

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Don't mind that they've shown him watching his old Saul Goodman commercials to relive the good ol' days.

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Did you read my post that explains that part? Or were you just here for the gangbang?

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So what you're saying is, Jimmy goes into Witness relocation as Gene at Cinnabon. Then he says eff it, and goes back to ABQ, changes his name to Saul Goodman, re-establishes his relationship with his secretary, Mike, Huell, lives his life as in BB, then gets a new identity again?

Is that what you're really saying happens?

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Hey now... we never saw him actually get a new identity and live his life after BB in the BB series.

Look, I already said it was a WAG. I'm happy to be wrong about it.

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There's a difference between a WAG and just throwing something out there that is so ridiculous that it makes no sense whatsoever.

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91_Aggie said:

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So, back to the "beginning of season supposed flash forwards".

I can't see the reason for showing these if they are truly post Breaking-Bad (unless Saul is going to say "Screw this, I want back in the game... and we see at the end of this series Saul going back into business).

I think something really bad happens at the end of this series that drives Jimmy into Witness Protection/hiding AFTER he was already set to start airing his Saul Goodman commercials. he never could get that going because of the "bad thing" but he had the commercials made. Him watching the commercials in one of those openings were commercials that never aired.

After he wakes up from the hospital, he says "life is too short" and becomes Saul Goodman and the series ends.

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Don't mind that they've shown him watching his old Saul Goodman commercials to relive the good ol' days.

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Did you read my post that explains that part? Or were you just here for the gangbang?

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I'll be honest, I only got through the first part of your post and felt it was going nowhere fast so I moved on. Then I saw the pile-on that commenced and I remembered he had watched his old commercials.

Good stuff!

ok....let's get back to the episode, and forget the theory.


I liked the scene when Kim and Jimmy were waiting outside the court room on break, and Jimmy's just sitting there calmly eating pretzels.

Kim mentions that Chuck's wife is going to hate Jimmy when it's all over, which...I know showed Jimmy's understanding of the situation, and callous nature when it comes to getting stuff done. But from his/her perspective, what other option did Jimmy have? And she knows he's taken care of Chuck...and is now aware of Chuck's condition...which would explain why Jimmy had to make an issue of it in court. That was an interesting exchange to me.

Also, Im really anxious to see what happens between Chuck and Howard. Not only are they apparently going to lose in court, but Chuck's condition and obsession with putting Jimmy in his place is now reflecting poorly on the firm. Wonder if this was the last straw....

One last comment: Kim promised that Mesa Verde wouldnt be affected by all this. So far, that's true. But I wonder if Chuck will go on his own, and drag Mesa Verde into a suit, causing Kim to lose them as a client. Seems like something is brewing there, after the exchange she had with them.

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One last comment: Kim promised that Mesa Verde wouldnt be affected by all this. So far, that's true. But I wonder if Chuck will go on his own, and drag Mesa Verde into a suit, causing Kim to lose them as a client. Seems like something is brewing there, after the exchange she had with them.

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100% agree, this show is so good always slowly added tension to things. There is no way they had the scene with Kim warning Mesa Verde without intending to follow that story line. I think now that Chuck was broken in court we will get to see the "mud slinging" the CEO said he wouldn't care about.

I don't know about that. Maybe, but it seems like once Chuck is shown to be crazy, they're not going to believe his allegations, even with the tape.

i have ZERO DOUBT Mesa Verde will be affected or drug into all this somehow now.

no way they have that "assurance" given by Kim and that scene without Mesa Verde entering the fray at some point again.