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as a society we must acknowledge what was done in the past and how a legacy of hate and racism is hurting our fellow African American citizens today

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Clown post. Slavery and racial wrongs have been MORE than acknowledged and addressed ad infinitum. Also, as a Texan-American who happens to be black, I'm not "hurt" at all by the sins of ancestors (mine or yours). I control my own life. Any minority American has the opportunity to do the same. A mixed QB1 (NTTAWWT, as my own kids are mixed) leading a misguided charge to pull down a freaking statue does absolutely NOTHING to address or improve anything regarding race relations. In fact, one could say it's had the opposite effect.

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so awesome!

So I have a semi-related question regarding the idea of "reparations".

I've looked up my family roots (immigrated to the US the mid-1880s, never slave owners...so there's that). My ancestors were primarily from Northwest Europe & Great Britain (areas inhabited by Gauls, or Celts, depending on who you ask - "celtic" has been jokingly defined as 'anyone who claims to be'). Based on Julias Caesar's own writings about the Gallic Wars, the Romans took as many as 3 million Gauls back to Rome as slaves. So does Italy owe me reparations?

I'm being intentionally flippant to make the point that when you start going down that road, it becomes a slippery slope in a big hurry - especially when you're discussing transgressions that personally affected no living person on the planet.

Here are the reparations I offer. As I have all my life, I will look at all people with an attitude of color blindness. I'll treat others in a way that I would hope they will reciprocate. I'll call out racism - TRUE racism - when I see it perpetrated against blacks, asians, hispanics, native americans, and yes even caucasians. I'll refrain from making blanket assumptions about any group of people because of their race or religious beliefs. I'll be as fair with the people I share this planet with as I can be, asking only the same fairness in return.

That's equality as I see it.

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This is a racist diatribe. Second paragraph and Farias is writing about Mond's athletic genes!? Go ahead and critique the man if you must, but attacking Mond because of the actions of his ancestors is a particularly cruel ad hominum attack; since when is a person responsible for the sins of their ancestors? Imagine protesting at the homes of Ross's descendants? Dragging someones grandmother into the argument? This is doxing at its worst.

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The person who wrote the letter is related to Mond you moron. They share the same lineage through the Benavides line. You don't think he went out and researched Mond's geneology for fun do you? He had everything at his fingertips because it's his family too. I know, because it's my family too.

I think you meant this post for Pease.

Well then I suppose when the time comes for reparations to be paid Mond's family should be the first to get out their checkbooks.

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tbirdspur2010 said:

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This is a racist diatribe. Second paragraph and Farias is writing about Mond's athletic genes!? Go ahead and critique the man if you must, but attacking Mond because of the actions of his ancestors is a particularly cruel ad hominum attack; since when is a person responsible for the sins of their ancestors? Imagine protesting at the homes of Ross's descendants? Dragging someones grandmother into the argument? This is doxing at its worst.

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Wait, how is the bolded portion racist?

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Oh c'mon, surely you know that old racist chestnut about the athletic prowess of Mexicans. That's why they're ubiquitous at all levels of professional sports.

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I wouldn't know about Mexicans. But my all-time favorite athlete is Argentinian, so...

....ok, I don't know where I was going with that. But I love me some MG20.

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Ginobli or Messi?

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Yes, my username checks out:

And the point is that the statue of Kellen Mond in the pocket should not be torn down either. You can't judge civil war era actions using 2020 logic.

This is His Story.

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Here's the thing, he most likely has absolutely no ability to change any schools or monuments that are named after his ancestors because there have been several generations since then and several splits of the family. It makes the most sense to fight where you actually have a voice, and that's at Texas A&M as the quartback for the football team. If people want to change the world where we live in, it makes the most sense to divert your efforts to where you could get the most done.

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as a society we must acknowledge what was done in the past and how a legacy of hate and racism is hurting our fellow African American citizens today

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Clown post. Slavery and racial wrongs have been MORE than acknowledged and addressed ad infinitum. Also, as a Texan-American who happens to be black, I'm not "hurt" at all by the sins of ancestors (mine or yours). I control my own life. Any minority American has the opportunity to do the same. A mixed QB1 (NTTAWWT, as my own kids are mixed) leading a misguided charge to pull down a freaking statue does absolutely NOTHING to address or improve anything regarding race relations. In fact, one could say it's had the opposite effect.

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Thank God for tbird and his fellow compadres that shout down the garbage, racist, white liberals!!

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Y'all are all lucky. One of my ancestors just showed up in Texas on a census around 1900 or so. He had a very common surname, but no birth record or any census info from anywhere else that could be found. We're pretty sure he was running from something but we have no idea if it was criminal and/or abandoning a family or what. My ancestor did something and we don't even know who we need to apologize to or just exactly how we should feel guilty about it.

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Well, he came to Texas for a second chance, which is what so much of our great state's history is about. All the people that fought for Texas independence - Houston, Travis, Bowie, Crockett, etc etc etc - why did they come to Texas? For a second chance.

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You don't understand...we are talking the founding fathers of cities (Plural) in south Texas. It's not gonna happen.

So yeah it's hypocritical.

Doesn't change anything for you. You've got no skin in the game. Not your family tree.

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It literally isn't hypocritical to have ancestry with confederate soldiers and to argue against having statues of confederate soldiers. Your ancestors don't dictate what you can fight for. It's only hypocritical if you dont want to get rid of your ancestors statues who did horrible things and want to get rid of all others.

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Maybe he should bring down the buildings/statues/parks/etc named for his confederate family first.

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If this is actually true, and that's a big if, then it doesn't matter what he tries to bring down first as long as he doesn't support either of them. The one where he has the most say in right now is the Sully statue since he's the quarterback at the university where it's a problem. It makes sense to fight most for the things you have the most say in, and the places where you can make the biggest impact

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All power to him as I presume he will journey to erase honors his ancestors collected.

To answer your question, he is asking others to live up to a standard and position that he hasn't addressed within his family. A lot of people were harmed by his ancestors and still are made uncomfortable living and seeing the name honored where they work and live. It seems appropriate for Kellen to use his power as a family member to have those things scrubbed from the society we currently live in before asking others to do something he has not address personally with family to accomplish.

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Here's the thing, he most likely has absolutely no ability to change any schools or monuments that are named after his ancestors because there have been several generations since then and several splits of the family. It makes the most sense to fight where you actually have a voice, and that's at Texas A&M as the quartback for the football team. If people want to change the world where we live in, it makes the most sense to divert your efforts to where you could get the most done.

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Nice of you to join us Isiah! How's it going? See any racist notes lately?

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UniqueIGN said:

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You don't understand...we are talking the founding fathers of cities (Plural) in south Texas. It's not gonna happen.

So yeah it's hypocritical.

Doesn't change anything for you. You've got no skin in the game. Not your family tree.

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It literally isn't hypocritical to have ancestry with confederate soldiers and to argue against having statues of confederate soldiers. Your ancestors don't dictate what you can fight for. It's only hypocritical if you dont want to get rid of your ancestors statues who did horrible things and want to get rid of all others.

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Maybe he should bring down the buildings/statues/parks/etc named for his confederate family first.

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If this is actually true, and that's a big if, then it doesn't matter what he tries to bring down first as long as he doesn't support either of them. The one where he has the most say in right now is the Sully statue since he's the quarterback at the university where it's a problem. It makes sense to fight most for the things you have the most say in, and the places where you can make the biggest impact

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All power to him as I presume he will journey to erase honors his ancestors collected.

To answer your question, he is asking others to live up to a standard and position that he hasn't addressed within his family. A lot of people were harmed by his ancestors and still are made uncomfortable living and seeing the name honored where they work and live. It seems appropriate for Kellen to use his power as a family member to have those things scrubbed from the society we currently live in before asking others to do something he has not address personally with family to accomplish.

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Here's the thing, he most likely has absolutely no ability to change any schools or monuments that are named after his ancestors because there have been several generations since then and several splits of the family. It makes the most sense to fight where you actually have a voice, and that's at Texas A&M as the quartback for the football team. If people want to change the world where we live in, it makes the most sense to divert your efforts to where you could get the most done.

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Nice of you to join us Isiah! How's it going? See any racist notes lately?

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Why do white woke libs think they are the only ones who can define racism?

I think I will stick with our own third spur. Who by the way is actually black. Or Herschel Walker. Or Thomas Sowell. Or Clarence Thomas.

This is not actually about race anymore(and yes we as a nation have to get better). It is about liberalism. And Marxism. And destruction of the US as we know it.