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Second, I said there is nothing in the constitution that indicates it is based on racist principles. you haven't found anything in it to back up your claim, have you?

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Really? You think that the only way the Constitution can be proven to be based upon racist ideas is for it to say something like "We, the People of Texas, hate black folks, and don't want them to vote?"

It's not what's in it. It's what's not. Compare the Bill of Rights, for example, of the Reconstruction Constitution to the rights granted in the 1876 Constitution. The Reconstruction Constitution specifically grants to blacks the right to vote. The 1876 does not (and, strangely, for a few generations, most blacks did not vote. Weird).

For that matter, the Constitution of the United States never actually uses the word "slave" or "slavery," but throughout the instrument, ther are provisions that support slavery.

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No lying, blimping retard. Stop constantly making stuff up. You said because he was a Confederate soldier there is no difference between him and a founder of the KKK.

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Well, that should be easy for you to prove. Point to the actual post where I actually said that, or anything like it.

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Then you went back to refuting Simkins was part of the KKK and demanding proof.

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No, little fella, I did not. I simply applied the same "reasoning" (if it can be called that) to all of your arguments that Ted applied to mine. Like I said, if it sounded silly, you should take it up with Ted.

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what's the world record of a fish staying hooked on the line. We might have a new one.

Again, just to tally this:

Simkins:
Klan Founder ---> Racist

Coke:
Governer ---> his party hate the reconstruction constitution ---> Dems hated black rights ---> Dems demand new constitution ---> Coke cautioned them to take their time and get the best minds working on it ---> Coke calls a convention ---> Coke is a racist.

Six Decrees of Kevin Bacon

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this thread may reach eleventy billion pages

I found your proof you asked for (simkins in the KKK), it's your turn. You said Coke undid the advancements of black people. Which ones? You said the constitution is based on racist principles. Which ones?

The constitution does not specifically say that black men can vote. It also does not say that they can't vote. You stated that the the new constitution was called for to undo all the progress from the 1869 constitution. I am asking, what has been undone? (or in your case, left out?)




Sorry I haven't let this die, it's been kind of fun arguing with him.

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512 is ready to never give up on this thread.

Oh. Let me revise my tally:

Simkins:
Klan Founder ---> Racist

Coke:
Texas Governer ---> his party hate the reconstruction constitution ---> Dems hated black rights ---> Dems demand new constitution ---> Coke cautioned them to take their time and get the best minds working on it ---> Coke calls a convention ---> The Dems change ______________ to make it less black-friendly ---> THE PEOPLE adopt a new constitution ---> Coke is a racist.


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So conservative democrats (of which Coke was one) hated black rights . . . but not Coke; he was just hanging out with a bad crowd.

Got it. That explains why so many blacks in Texas enjoyed so many rights during and after his time in office.

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Now we're back to Sul Ross. All Confederate Soldiers are KKK or racists or whatever.

Many of the conservative dems hated the reconstruction constitution. We assume it was because it gave blacks rights. They all wanted to change it. They, AND THE PEOPLE changed it........NOT COKE!!! AND WE STILL HAVE NO ****ING CLUE WHAT THEY CHANGED AND WHY!!!

You just suck at this, don't you.

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That's an article about Coke Stevenson in 1941!!! Did you even read that?

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But even if Stevenson were the paragon of virtue Caro claims, the morality play of Means of Ascent would have to be judged wanting, for this good man was the servant of some very nasty ideas and interests, not the least of which was white supremacy. Caro’s treatment of Stevenson’s racism is extremely brief and unconvincing. "There were almost no Negroes in the Hill Country," he notes, "and Stevenson accepted all the Southern stereotypes about that race." Racism was a problem "to which his upbringing in that isolated country made it difficult to relate." But Johnson was also from the Hill Country, and, as George Brown said, "he was for the ******s" even if he only worked on their behalf when it was politically expedient. Stevenson’s attitudes thus cannot so easily be explained away. Caro notes Stevenson’s pride in being named after Richard Coke, the governor who "redeemed" Texas from Reconstruction in 1873, but he fails to grasp that what, Stevenson inherited from Coke was not only a "distrust of all government" but a commitment to white supremacy. On more that one occasion Caro offers an interpretation of the "injustices of Reconstruction" long repudiated by historians, and he fails to observe that Coke’s administration, backed by the Ku Klux Klan, put Texas on the road to segregation and black disenfranchisement. This was the "lion-hearted Richard Coke" whose name Caro’s hero proudly bore.

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Dude. There is NO SOURCE showing that this is factually accurate. Have you ever done a research paper or any type of work requiring sources be cited.

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Dude, Sul Ross WAS IN the KKK. His robe is still in Cushing Library

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I know. It's getting ridiculous, right?

See, klanhorn. Even your t-shirt klanhorns have thrown in the towel.

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So... Were the blacks that fought on the side of the confederacy members of the KKK? Maybe 512 can tell me what their thought process was?

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It's not what's in it. It's what's not. Compare the Bill of Rights, for example, of the Reconstruction Constitution to the rights granted in the 1876 Constitution. The Reconstruction Constitution specifically grants to blacks the right to vote. The 1876 does not

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It is unnecessary to mention that right in the 1876 constitution due to the 15th amendment coupled with the supremacy clause. The 15th amendment was ratified in 1870, meaning that said law was already in effect when the 1876 constitution was drafted. However, the 15th amendment had not yet been ratified in 1869 when the previous constitution had been passed. Not including a black suffrage amendment in the 1876 constitution did not take away any rights from Blacks, or seek to eliminate Republican successes because all the rights that you are claiming were "stripped" were already in place at the Federal level.


Despite this, Article 1 Section 19 which states, “No citizen of this State shall be deprived of life, liberty, property, privileges or immunities, or in any manner disfranchised, except by the due course of the law of the land.” and Article 6 (Suffrage) in its entirety give blacks the right to vote. Simply because the word “race” is not mentioned in the bill of rights with regard to suffrage (being that suffrage is not mentioned at all in the 1876 Texas Constitution’s Bill of Rights), does not imply that it is based on racist principles.

In addition, the original Alaska Constitution (1956) did not have an amendment reaffirming black suffrage. Are the folks who wrote it racists? (Amendment became effective in 1972, 16 years after ratification. And even then, it is not specific to race instead incorporating creed and gender as well.)

The California Constitution (1879) does not have an amendment reaffirming black suffrage. Are the folks who wrote it racists?

The Colorado Constitution (1876) does not have an amendment reaffirming black suffrage. Are the folks who wrote it racists?

These are just three examples of states whose Constitutions were ratified after 1870 and did not originally (or currently)contain a provision specifically reaffirming black suffrage, instead having statutes similar to the ones present in Article 1 Section 19 and Article 6 of the Texas Constitution.

Texas Constitutionhttp://tarlton.law.utexas.edu/constitutions/text/1876index.html

Alaska Constitution http://www.legis.state.ak.us/cgi-bin/folioisa.dll/acontxt

California Constitution http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/const.html

Colorado Constitution http://www.michie.com/colorado/

US Constitution http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html

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klanhorns also had a racist on their football team

http://www.vitallycool.com/?p=70

To change things up, here the facts presented in Swahili, a language spoken by people hated by Klanhorns:

* Tu bado ina Dorm katika Chuo hicho aitwaye baada ya mwanzilishi KKK.
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* Kujenga math ni jina lake baada ya mwanachama longtime ubaguzi wa kitivo hiyo.
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* Bado got a ubaguzi profesa katika Kitivo cha Sheria ya sasa.
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* Uwanja bado jina lake baada ya icon shule ambao walipigana integration.
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* Uwanja bado jina lake baada ya kocha ambao walipigana integration.
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* Bado 4 Confederate 'sanamu shingo ya chuo.
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* Ya sanamu MLK katika Chuo hicho ni lengo mara kwa mara ya vandalism na Klanhorns.
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Here it is in Chinese, a language of a race of people that I'm sure the klanhorns hate:

* tu仍然有在以KKK創建者命名的校園的一棟宿舍。 鏈接 *算術大廈以那教職員的一名長期種族主義者的成員命名。 鏈接 * it' s仍然得到了當前教職員的一位種族主義者的法律学教授。 鏈接 *競技場以與綜合化戰鬥的學校像仍然命名。 鏈接 *體育場以與綜合化戰鬥的教練仍然命名。 鏈接 *仍有4同盟' 在校園的脖子雕像。 鏈接 *在校園的MLK雕像是故意破壞的一個規則目標由Klanhorns。 鏈接。

TTT

I should do the updated list in Swahili again. Here it is in English. I will try to do a picture book version for tards one day...

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poor tu.

Their greatest RB in history is a cross-dressing pothead who pissed away the best years of his career and a possible HOF slot.

A video distributed globally shows one of their former players hitting a chick in the back of the head, only to end up getting his ass beaten down by a UFC fighter.

Their legal department keeps trying to rademark commonly-used words, hoping to make more money off the backs of hard-working Americans during a time of economic crisis.

Their second-greatest RB in history is a burglarizing, drunken, pot-smoking, repeat offender who is always in trouble with the law.

Their greatest QB in history is paralyzed from the waist up. His idiocy is documented. His inabilty to pass is documented. But he can throw punches at women in night clubs.

Their greatest basketball player in history, like their greatest QB, can't pass to save his life. He put a young and talented team on his back and carried it to an unimpressive No. 8 seed in a weakened Westeran Conference.

The greatest WR in the history of the school is an overpaid, underperforming, stone-handed, route-destroying idiot.

The greatest placekicker in school history is a convicted felon who is now involved with and being investigated in connection with YET ANOTHER financial scam. This shows that Klanhorns aren't just lying, Aggie-obsessed, chode-smoking, anti-American, anti-hetero racists -- they're dishonest AND stupid, too.

The greatest baseball player in school history is a lying, cowardly, steroid-taking, perjuring anger case who began an extra-marital relationship with a talentless, skanky, underage teenage country singer. Wait. This just in: Clemens just gave up another home room at the All-Star game in Houston.

Their 2nd greatest QB in history is a woman who separated his shoulder changing a tampon, causing him to drift to the 3rd round of the draft.

Their 3rd greatest QB in history was arrested for driving while stoned. He sucks so badly on the field, he can't beat out the other crappy
Klanhorn QB on the Titans for playing time.

Their basketball coach is a joke among his peers, gifted with the ability to take world-class talent and make it mediocre.

The baseball coach is a drunk.

The baseball and basketball teams choked away their respective seasons in classic style, reaching a No. 1 Ranking and then folding like lawn chairs at the end of the season and going into witness protection in the post-season.

They've got a 40-acre campus that includes shrines to the Ku Klux Klan and the Confederacy (Simkins Hall, the Math building, 4 Confederate statues, DKKKR field).

In 2008, Klanhorn lineman/kleagle Buck Burnette was kicked off the team for a racist status update on Facebook.

They are tax cheats

The school is going broke.

A recent tu grad was caught lying on his resume and has become an internet meme for his dishonesty.

And now, thanks to the conference re-alignment fiasco, the entire world knows what we've always known about the Klanhorns -- they are spineless cowards beholden to their Aggie daddies.

It's good to be America's laughing stock, eh Klanhorns?

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512 has taken an absolute ass whooping on this thread.

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512 has taken an absolute ass whooping on this board.

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512 has taken an absolute ass whooping in life.

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another possible fify

Boozing

Who wrote that line that is used as the example in the Urban Dictionary definition?

this thread delivers.

TTT for BTHOB

klanhorns

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William Stewart Simkins, who taught at the UT School of Law for 30 years, organized the Klan in Florida along with his brother, Eldred, who later became a member of the UT System Board of Regents.

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http://www.utexas.edu/opa/utbrand/images/whatStartsRight.gif

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And both the building and park named for them have been renamed.

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"A building name that is changed after a newspaper story changes history."

bump

Bump.

One of the best that's come through here in awhile. The beating 5oneghey took is epic.

Wow, 20 pages. Is this where the 'klanhorn' legacy started?

How are your "nest eggs"?

I don't know who this Five1Two guy is, but I can tell that he's (a) smart and (b) probably pretty jacked.

(c) he enjoys getting his sh*t kicked in daily everytime he posts