Yeah I don't think there's anything wrong with taking a patient approach to this. Wemby is 19 years old and is going to take some time to get acclimated. See what you have in your young guys this season... Wemby, Vassell, Keldon, Sochan, Branham, Collins, Wesley, etc. and add some more top prospects through the draft next season. You will still have loads of $ to spend at that time and have a better idea of what you need.
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Enzo The Baker said:AggieEP said:Guitarsoup said:**** I read it wrong and I hate it so much.Enzo The Baker said:Guitarsoup said:Free agent Max Strus has agreed on a four-year, $63M sign-and-trade with the Cleveland Cavaliers, agent Mark Bartelstein of @PrioritySports tells ESPN. In three-team deal, Heat get a second-round pick and Spurs acquire Cedi Osman, Lamar Stevens and a second-rounder. pic.twitter.com/xKAmqlx3aF
— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) July 1, 2023
Good, we didn't get roped in to cedi
Both players we are getting are on expirings. Essentially paying $8MM+ for a second rounder.
Are you guys with me now?
After a letdown on draft night when the Spurs whiffed on a chance to be bold, now the Spurs slept through free agency.
I just don't get the plan here. You guys don't think the Spurs are planning on tanking this year? It seems like the whole plan is to run it back with a bottom 3 team + Wemby, and we already know the plan with Wemby is going to be to limit the wear and tear as he learns the NBA game.
I think they've fallen too in love with the idea of collecting assets and preserving cap space that they've forgotten that at some point you have to use that capital. We can't roster 43 second round picks, and cap space is worthless if you wait until every free agent has signed to try and use it.
Or they are preserving cap because the options right now are complete ass.
This. BW has made it clear we're not going to spend just to spend. There hasn't been a move out there this week that I was dying for the Spurs to make. Next few years FA classes will be better. Getting Wemby was a huge first step that will speed up the rebuild but we're still playing the long game
Also, who do you want to give massive, long-term contracts to? VanVleet?
I loved Bruce Brown for us, but not at 2y45mm like Indiana gave him.
Jeremi Grant got 5y160mm. He;s never been an All-Star and never had a single vote for All-NBA or All-Defense.
Khris Middleton just shot .436/.315, is old and just got a 3y105mm contract.
Wizards gave Kuz a 4y105mm contract.
Jakob got 4y80mm.
I'm not hating that we didn't offer any of these guys.
I loved Bruce Brown for us, but not at 2y45mm like Indiana gave him.
Jeremi Grant got 5y160mm. He;s never been an All-Star and never had a single vote for All-NBA or All-Defense.
Khris Middleton just shot .436/.315, is old and just got a 3y105mm contract.
Wizards gave Kuz a 4y105mm contract.
Jakob got 4y80mm.
I'm not hating that we didn't offer any of these guys.
And listening to Pop's press conference the other day... he really likes this group of guys. I think they're being very careful with maintaining chemistry by not bringing in guys with big salaries who don't necessarily deserve it. Let these guys all turn 20 and 21 together and grow organically. They had a terrible record last season but some of that was due to injury. They rarely had Vassell, Sochan, and Johnson on the floor together. I also think Collins turned a corner and they really liked what Bassey was starting to do before he got hurt.Sher Thing said:
Yeah I don't think there's anything wrong with taking a patient approach to this. Wemby is 19 years old and is going to take some time to get acclimated. See what you have in your young guys this season... Wemby, Vassell, Keldon, Sochan, Branham, Collins, Wesley, etc. and add some more top prospects through the draft next season. You will still have loads of $ to spend at that time and have a better idea of what you need.
That's the price of doing business with veterans, I don't love those prices either, but it's not my money the team is spending, they have to hit a salary floor.Guitarsoup said:
Also, who do you want to give massive, long-term contracts to? VanVleet?
I loved Bruce Brown for us, but not at 2y45mm like Indiana gave him.
Jeremi Grant got 5y160mm. He;s never been an All-Star and never had a single vote for All-NBA or All-Defense.
Khris Middleton just shot .436/.315, is old and just got a 3y105mm contract.
Wizards gave Kuz a 4y105mm contract.
Jakob got 4y80mm.
I'm not hating that we didn't offer any of these guys.
I'm just not in love with the total nothing, it would have been nice to bring in Bruce Brown even at that price. Over 2 years, who cares, it's nothing that affects the long term cap outlook and he gives you the thing this team needs more than anything, defense.
I told you a week ago, that I'd want Hart and Johnson to add depth and shooting to this team along with more of a veteran presence.
Hart opted in and wasn't a FA and Cam Johnson was restricted, never talked to any other teams and immediately announced a 4y108mm deal.
I like Brown a lot, but wouldn't pay that. We could get Lowry for nothing right now and that's a better long term choice
I like Brown a lot, but wouldn't pay that. We could get Lowry for nothing right now and that's a better long term choice
Charlotte gave la Melo a 5y250mm extension
Lakers gets Reaves for $14m per year. Good deal. Lakers did a solid job this off season.
Lopez back to bucks on two year deal.
Lopez back to bucks on two year deal.
Sher Thing said:
Lakers gets Reaves for $14m per year. Good deal. Lakers did a solid job this off season.
Lopez back to bucks on two year deal.
Boo. Make the lakers pay, Spurs.
Unless we make an offer to Williams or someone like PJ Washington, I fully expect us to use the rest of the cap space to build more draft assets.
Also probably working out Dev's extension now.
Enzo The Baker said:
Also probably working out Dev's extension now.
And Collins
Guitarsoup said:
Yall want the Spurs in on this?
Ok, Portland sends their three worst contracts that aren't Jeremi Grant to Miami.
Miami sends all their good young guys to Portland as well as all their 1st round picks.
Spurs send Birch to Portland.
Portland and Miami send a bunch of second round picks to the Spurs, because Brian Wright has a 2RP fetish.Oh, we also get one year of overpaid Kyle Lowry.
Cap Floor reached. Next year's cap room preserved so that we can do nothing with it then.
If we could sneak Graham in there and only take back Lowry and pick compensation then I would love to be the third team in on this deal. Get Wemby a vet with championship experience for his rookie year while completely clearing the deck for next offseason and overflowing our treasure trove of picks.
Without including Graham, it puts us exactly at 136mm - the salary cap. We would still have the room exception and I think Doug, Graham and Cedi would all be easy to move.
Wemby signed today.
Free agent G Dillon Brooks has agreed on a four-year, $80 million contract with the Houston Rockets, his agent Mike George of @OneLegacySports tells ESPN. Rockets have now landed two targets in free agency — Fred VanVleet and Brooks.
— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) July 1, 2023
Free agent Jock Landale has agreed to a four-year, $32 million deal with the Houston Rockets, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium. Agents Sammy Wloszczowski and Michael Lelchitski of @SIGSports negotiated the new contract for Landale.
— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) July 1, 2023
Add in FVV at 3yMax and holy *****
32 million for Jock. Lolwut
FTAG 2000 said:
32 million for Jock. Lolwut
The Rockets agreed with free agent center Jock Landale on a four-year, $32M deal — with only the first season guaranteed, sources tell ESPN.
— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) July 1, 2023
Free agent C Sandro Mamukelashvili has agreed to a one-year, $2 million deal with the San Antonio Spurs, his agents George Roussakis and Mark Bartelstein of @PrioritySports tell ESPN.
— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) July 1, 2023
Championship team ready
Can't wait for the rockets to sink after all that money spent. Wild.
Free agent G Donte DiVincenzo has agreed on a four-year, $50 million contract with the New York Knicks, Jason Glushon of @GlushonSM tells ESPN. DiVincenzo reunites with his Villanova title teammates Jalen Brunson and Josh Hart to bolster the Eastern Conference semifinalists. pic.twitter.com/MSr1wXS4GC
— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) July 1, 2023
I was already pro-Mamu, but he's a lifer as well!
GSG 🖤 pic.twitter.com/j80ILkqoaA
— Sandro Mamukelashvili (@Mamukelashvili5) July 2, 2023
Rocking that Derek Anderson jersey?West Texan said:
I was already pro-Mamu, but he's a lifer as well!GSG 🖤 pic.twitter.com/j80ILkqoaA
— Sandro Mamukelashvili (@Mamukelashvili5) July 2, 2023
Oh thank God
Recently-acquired point guard Patty Mills is not staying in Houston and will be rerouted, sources tell @TheAthletic. He is being looped into the Dillon Brooks sign-and-trade in an expanded deal, sources say.
— Kelly Iko (@KellyIko) July 2, 2023
Guitarsoup said:Rocking that Derek Anderson jersey?West Texan said:
I was already pro-Mamu, but he's a lifer as well!GSG 🖤 pic.twitter.com/j80ILkqoaA
— Sandro Mamukelashvili (@Mamukelashvili5) July 2, 2023
Pssh, definitely Howard Eisley
We have 16 players under contract, (15 guaranteed) and are 3mm from the salary floor. All this includes Primo's 4.3mm.
That also includes Lamar Stevens unguaranteed 1.9mm. So if we cut him, we still have 15 players and are ~5mm from the floor.
117.4 in salary without Stevens, 119.25 with. 136mm cap, 122.4 floor.
So we can cut Stevens and Birch and take in a ~18mm player via trade or signing and not touch the cap.
Or they should just sign a random fan to a $5mm guaranteed contract and cut their ass after they get yelled at by Pop for sucking.
That also includes Lamar Stevens unguaranteed 1.9mm. So if we cut him, we still have 15 players and are ~5mm from the floor.
117.4 in salary without Stevens, 119.25 with. 136mm cap, 122.4 floor.
So we can cut Stevens and Birch and take in a ~18mm player via trade or signing and not touch the cap.
Or they should just sign a random fan to a $5mm guaranteed contract and cut their ass after they get yelled at by Pop for sucking.
Guitarsoup said:
We have 16 players under contract, (15 guaranteed) and are 3mm from the salary floor. All this includes Primo's 4.3mm.
That also includes Lamar Stevens unguaranteed 1.9mm. So if we cut him, we still have 15 players and are ~5mm from the floor.
117.4 in salary without Stevens, 119.25 with. 136mm cap, 122.4 floor.
So we can cut Stevens and Birch and take in a ~18mm player via trade or signing and not touch the cap.
Or they should just sign a random fan to a $5mm guaranteed contract and cut their ass after they get yelled at by Pop for sucking.
Hell I'll go do it and split the five million fifty ways with the top 50 posters on this thread.
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Oh thank GodRecently-acquired point guard Patty Mills is not staying in Houston and will be rerouted, sources tell @TheAthletic. He is being looped into the Dillon Brooks sign-and-trade in an expanded deal, sources say.
— Kelly Iko (@KellyIko) July 2, 2023
Oklahoma City is acquiring Brooklyn guard Patty Mills as part of a broader deal through Houston, sources tell ESPN. The Thunder will receive draft compensation to take on Mills’ $6.8M expiring deal.
— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) July 2, 2023
Lonnie just playing year to year.
Free agent Lonnie Walker has agreed to a one year deal with the Brooklyn Nets, Klutch Sports CEO Rich Paul and agent Lucas Newton tell ESPN.
— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) July 2, 2023
Man Champaigne is a player. Impressive start on both ends of the floor so far
Sissoko is showing some good stuff as well.
His defense has been pretty dang good so far especially against Miller
There was a possession a couple of minutes ago where it really looked like the Beautiful Game for a minute and on replay you could Sissoko line up who was going to get the ball from him and he hadn't even received the pass yet. That one made my spurs pants get a bit tighter.
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