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Simmons also liked Grant Williams to us for 4y40mm. You let him grind the post with his strength, but on offense, he is a great 3pt threat. Use him as a small center with wemby at PF bc grant will guard the stronger guys inside and Wemby will be the help.

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I'd love to get Grant Williams. Improves our defense and 3 point shooting and won't be someone to demand the ball on the offensive end to take away from our younger guys that we need to see create. We could front load his contract so that we meet the floor, but still have a little more cap flexibility down the line/makes it easier to off load him if need be.

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He makes sense on paper but I can't stand that guy. I think there's a reason Boston would let him walk.

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I think Boston likes him, but they just got Kristaps. At C/PF they have Kristaps, Hortford, TimeLord, Tatum, and Kornet

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Simmons also liked Grant Williams to us for 4y40mm. You let him grind the post with his strength, but on offense, he is a great 3pt threat. Use him as a small center with wemby at PF bc grant will guard the stronger guys inside and Wemby will be the help.

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I'd love to get Grant Williams. Improves our defense and 3 point shooting and won't be someone to demand the ball on the offensive end to take away from our younger guys that we need to see create. We could front load his contract so that we meet the floor, but still have a little more cap flexibility down the line/makes it easier to off load him if need be.

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He makes sense on paper but I can't stand that guy. I think there's a reason Boston would let him walk.

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Random bit of intel just came across. My son happens to be friends with Grant William's roommate. Apparently Pop himself has already called to tell Grant he's their number one target.

That would never happen. That's tampering.

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That would never happen. That's tampering.

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They lifted the ban on tampering.

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Simmons also liked Grant Williams to us for 4y40mm. You let him grind the post with his strength, but on offense, he is a great 3pt threat. Use him as a small center with wemby at PF bc grant will guard the stronger guys inside and Wemby will be the help.

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I'd love to get Grant Williams. Improves our defense and 3 point shooting and won't be someone to demand the ball on the offensive end to take away from our younger guys that we need to see create. We could front load his contract so that we meet the floor, but still have a little more cap flexibility down the line/makes it easier to off load him if need be.

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He makes sense on paper but I can't stand that guy. I think there's a reason Boston would let him walk.

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Random bit of intel just came across. My son happens to be friends with Grant William's roommate. Apparently Pop himself has already called to tell Grant he's their number one target.

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Williams would be okay. Hard to get excited about a break glass in case of emergency player from the playoffs though. Thanks for sharing. Almost more surprised that Grant Williams has a roommate.

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That would never happen. That's tampering.

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They lifted the ban on tampering.

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Wait no. They created a "negotiating window" now but that doesn't start until July 1st. I don't know if a team can call a player. They certainly can't "negotiate" until then.

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That would never happen. That's tampering.

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They lifted the ban on tampering.

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They just increased the penalties.

Two years ago, NBA elevated maximum tampering fine to $10M for teams and opened door for suspension of executives, forfeiture of draft picks and voiding of contracts. Team execs can also have their communications – such as phone records, texts and emails – randomly audited.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) August 7, 2021

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Simmons also liked Grant Williams to us for 4y40mm. You let him grind the post with his strength, but on offense, he is a great 3pt threat. Use him as a small center with wemby at PF bc grant will guard the stronger guys inside and Wemby will be the help.

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I'd love to get Grant Williams. Improves our defense and 3 point shooting and won't be someone to demand the ball on the offensive end to take away from our younger guys that we need to see create. We could front load his contract so that we meet the floor, but still have a little more cap flexibility down the line/makes it easier to off load him if need be.

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He makes sense on paper but I can't stand that guy. I think there's a reason Boston would let him walk.

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Random bit of intel just came across. My son happens to be friends with Grant William's roommate. Apparently Pop himself has already called to tell Grant he's their number one target.

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Williams would be okay. Hard to get excited about a break glass in case of emergency player from the playoffs though. Thanks for sharing. Almost more surprised that Grant Williams has a roommate.

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Well it's not to share rent

It's a childhood friend of the family. 100% mooch

I like Grant Williams but he just seemed a little redundant. But he's a good defender and can bring toughness and energy to a team. I think you need to move McDermott if you make that signing though to open up minutes as it would be a log jam at the forward position. I do think the Spurs need to bring in more defensive minded guys so I wouldn't hate it.

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That would never happen. That's tampering.

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They lifted the ban on tampering.

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They just increased the penalties.

Two years ago, NBA elevated maximum tampering fine to $10M for teams and opened door for suspension of executives, forfeiture of draft picks and voiding of contracts. Team execs can also have their communications – such as phone records, texts and emails – randomly audited.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) August 7, 2021

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Right. I was referring to the annual charade where you can't get deals done with FAs until July 6th... and then they all get done in the first hours of the window. Instead of having the rule and not enforcing it, they created a negotiating window leading up the FA start date.

Other types of tampering like in-season trade talks is absolutely being cracked down on.

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That would never happen. That's tampering.

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They lifted the ban on tampering.

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They just increased the penalties.

Two years ago, NBA elevated maximum tampering fine to $10M for teams and opened door for suspension of executives, forfeiture of draft picks and voiding of contracts. Team execs can also have their communications – such as phone records, texts and emails – randomly audited.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) August 7, 2021

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Right. I was referring to the annual charade where you can't get deals done with FAs until July 6th... and then they all get done in the first hours of the window. Instead of having the rule and not enforcing it, they created a negotiating window leading up the FA start date.

Other types of tampering like in-season trade talks is absolutely being cracked down on.

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They have had that window for years to knock out contracts. Teams cant sign them until a week later or so. That's how it has been for a long long time.

Pop calling Williams on the 28th would be tampering.

But also things like the Kristaps opting into his contract to go to Boston can't happen without tampering.

New CBA stuff:

https://theathletic.com/4607105/2023/06/28/nba-cba-new-rules/

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Over the last 10 years, there have been roughly six teams per season that go over the tax, and an average of three teams per season that spent enough to reach what will soon be the second apron level. But that swelled this past season to new highs. Nine teams went into the tax, and seven teams were above what would have been second apron level of spending.

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FIRST APRON RULES


About $7mm over luxury tax, Lux tax currently about 164mm.

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TAX RATES

0-4.999MM = $1.50 per dollar in 24/25, $1 in 25 and beyond
5-9.999MM = $1.75 per dollar in 24/25, $1.25 in 25 and beyond
10-14.999MM = $2.50 in 24/25. $3.50 in 25 and beyond
15-19.999MM = 3.25 in 24/25. $4.75 in 25 and beyond
$20+ = 3.75 (and increases $.50 per $5mm) in 24/25. $5.25 with same increases in 25 and beyond.

Repeater Tax:

0-5: $2.50 now, $3 in 2025+
5-10: 2.75 now, 3.25 in 2025+
10-15: 3.50 now, 5.50 in 2025+
15-20: 4.25 now, 6.75 in 2025+
20+: 4.75 now, 7.25 in 2025+. Add .50 for every $5mm over 20.

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Fred VanVleet and Dillon Brooks are expected to be #Rockets by Friday, via @TheSteinLine. Their projected offers:

FVV:
2 years
83.6M (max)

Brooks:
2 years
28-32M pic.twitter.com/hGIsnQDWeB

— Bradeaux (@BradeauxNBA) June 29, 2023

Houston in 2023:

28th in FG%
30th in 3FG%


Spends $60mm in cap space on:
PG that shot .393/.342 last year
SF that shot .396/.326 last year

Uses 4th pick on 20yo guy that can't shoot
Uses 20th pick on 19yo guy with major injury problems that can't pass

Amen's entire upside is that he's a point guard, and now they're gonna sign FVV?

Yeah, but he isn't ready. FVV brings defense, toughness, and played a huge role for a Championship team.

They are just closing their eyes and picking players at this point. This will be entertaining.

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Yeah, but he isn't ready. FVV brings defense, toughness, and played a huge role for a Championship team.

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I get that, but if we were in their spot and picked Amen at #4 then signed someone to start over him, I'd be pissed. Let the young guys develop and see what you got.

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Yeah, but he isn't ready. FVV brings defense, toughness, and played a huge role for a Championship team.

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I get that, but if we were in their spot and picked Amen at #4 then signed someone to start over him, I'd be pissed. Let the young guys develop and see what you got.

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It's gonna be a cluster**** regardless.

Jalen Green SG, 22/4/4 with awful shooting splits, 2021 2nd pick
FVV, PG, Championship experienced PG
Amen, PG, 2023 4th pick 2023
Kevin Porter Jr, PG, 19/6/5, highest paid player in 2022-23.

They need better players and good leaders. Amen can at least start at SF and be like the old school SFs that cut and slash.

Today is the final day for the Spurs to tender qualifying offers to the following players if SA wants them to be restricted free agents:

Tre Jones
Sandro Mamukelashvili
Romeo Langford
Julian Champagnie
Dominick Barlow https://t.co/aRjLwtiDpr

— Paul Garcia (@PaulGarciaNBA) June 29, 2023

Jones, Champagnie and Barlow would be nice to retain.

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Today is the final day for the Spurs to tender qualifying offers to the following players if SA wants them to be restricted free agents:

Tre Jones
Sandro Mamukelashvili
Romeo Langford
Julian Champagnie
Dominick Barlow https://t.co/aRjLwtiDpr

— Paul Garcia (@PaulGarciaNBA) June 29, 2023

Jones, Champagnie and Barlow would be nice to retain.

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Hoping 3y30 for Jones, with declining salary.
DGAF about Champagnie or Barlow. Keep, let go, were all gonna die. Eat at Arby's

https://www.kens5.com/article/sports/nba/spurs/report-spurs-add-victor-wembanyamas-long-time-trainer-staff-nba-san-antonio/273-d2dc59e1-b750-4c40-8247-c369ba5d5006

Wemby's trainer to join Spurs.

Barlow I can let go of. To me Champagnie showed he's a player. He can do a lot of stuff offensively and brings the effort on D. Reminds me of a Miami bargain barrel guy.

Lakers confident they can get Bruce Brown.

I love him, but don't hate us just going after Grant Williams as a small 5 and calling it a day, especially if we can get Grant for 3y30 or something under the mle

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Barlow I can let go of. To me Champagnie showed he's a player. He can do a lot of stuff offensively and brings the effort on D. Reminds me of a Miami bargain barrel guy.

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Spurs have tendered a qualifying offer to Dominick Barlow, making him a restricted FA, a league source said.

— Tom Orsborn (@tom_orsborn) June 29, 2023

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Barlow I can let go of. To me Champagnie showed he's a player. He can do a lot of stuff offensively and brings the effort on D. Reminds me of a Miami bargain barrel guy.

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I'm good with it. JC's also got a good body for what we need.

Jones got QO too.

With Jones and Barlow getting QOs, the Spurs currently have $32.8 million in cap space entering tomorrow.

Still awaiting decisions on Langford, Champagnie, and Mamu.

— Paul Garcia (@PaulGarciaNBA) June 29, 2023

Don't know how Barlow gets a QO before Manu and Julian

New season starts tomorrow, who wants the esteemed honor of starting the season thread?

Is Adam87 still around? Who's our team elder statesman?

West Texan did a fine job last year.

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Don't know how Barlow gets a QO before Manu and Julian

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Julian is in the summer league roster. Hopefully just a matter of time.

Here’s the @spurs roster for the California Classic July 3rd & 5th in Sacramento. #PorVida pic.twitter.com/sdANROdqKr

— Dan Weiss (@DanWeissPBP) June 29, 2023

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New season starts tomorrow, who wants the esteemed honor of starting the season thread?

Is Adam87 still around? Who's our team elder statesman?

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This is the only time I ever started a season thread and it netted us the first pick. While I feel accomplished, I'm hoping for better results, so someone else needs to start it.

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Don't know how Barlow gets a QO before Manu and Julian

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This.

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New season starts tomorrow, who wants the esteemed honor of starting the season thread?

Is Adam87 still around? Who's our team elder statesman?

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This is the only time I ever started a season thread and it netted us the first pick. While I feel accomplished, I'm hoping for better results, so someone else needs to start it.

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If that's the case, you need to start it for 2025 for the Atlanta pick.

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West Texan did a fine job last year.

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I'm ready to pass the torch.