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link to the article
https://www.insider.com/mlb-used-two-balls-again-this-year-and-evidence-points-to-a-third-2022-12
pretty interesting analysis, definitely seems like something fishy
https://www.insider.com/mlb-used-two-balls-again-this-year-and-evidence-points-to-a-third-2022-12
pretty interesting analysis, definitely seems like something fishy
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blummer was saying we had dead baseballs early in the season.
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Correa to Giants at $350M for 13 years
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Absolutely stupid insane contract. Good for Correa, dumb for SF
Glad we got Peña
Glad we got Peña
he'll be healthy for 3 of those years. Gotta be one of the worse contracts ever. Bobby Bonilla level.
Can't be guaranteed.... If fully or mostly guaranteed then I agree.
Nah, he'll be healthy for more than 3. I feel like people over exaggerate the injury proneness of him. It is an absolutely terrible contract that'll drag them down the last several years, though. And I love that.
Brings me to a hypothetical, say you have a guy like judge. What if the Astros offered him 30 years at 12 mil? Think that's a good deal for the Astros? Thought process being you can absorb that 12 mil in the future and won't hurt you as much as 30+ the ladder years of his contract.
I said it was a moot point as I don't see any baseball player taking that kind of contract. They have the competitiveness to be paid the highest per year and they want the money now.
Brings me to a hypothetical, say you have a guy like judge. What if the Astros offered him 30 years at 12 mil? Think that's a good deal for the Astros? Thought process being you can absorb that 12 mil in the future and won't hurt you as much as 30+ the ladder years of his contract.
I said it was a moot point as I don't see any baseball player taking that kind of contract. They have the competitiveness to be paid the highest per year and they want the money now.
aren't all MLB contracts guaranteed?
Here's the ESPN article: https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/35249116/san-francisco-giants-carlos-correa-agree-13-year-350m-deal
Here's the ESPN article: https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/35249116/san-francisco-giants-carlos-correa-agree-13-year-350m-deal
Thirty years?
Yes, all MLB contracts are guaranteed
So this contract will last til he's 41 years old
So this contract will last til he's 41 years old
Sea Speed said:
Thirty years?
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Yea that is the huuuuge exception not the rule
Sea Speed said:
Yea that is the huuuuge exception not the rule
Yep. Mets had it made with all that Bernie Madoff money invested. Was gonna be a steal b
Yeah, that's why it's a hypothetical. It's a smaller amount so you can build around him. If he has a solid 8+ years and you win a couple WS, is it worth it to still pay him for another 20 after he's retired? But it's not really enough that you can't absorb it in those years, either.Sea Speed said:
Yea that is the huuuuge exception not the rule
Essentially, say you have a player that is going to get a 10 year 320mm contract. Would you be better off paying him a little more, say 350mm, but over 30 years.
Basically like a really long car payment.
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13 years in this era is just ridiculous for any player. There is zero chance that if they perform like you are hoping they will that they won't decide to hold out and renegotiate a better deal by year 6-7. So there is no upside to locking them down for that long and a huge downside if they don't perform up to that level or get hurt.
What if the owner looks at it like "I'm willing to pay you $50+ mil a year these next 2/3 years, but I'm not willing to take the cap penalty due to the other big salaries that I'm paying, so I'm going to spread it out over several years.
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do they make aging pros climb **** when they can't hit anymore?htxag09 said:
Nah, he'll be healthy for more than 3. I feel like people over exaggerate the injury proneness of him. It is an absolutely terrible contract that'll drag them down the last several years, though. And I love that.
Brings me to a hypothetical, say you have a guy like judge. What if the Astros offered him 30 years at 12 mil? Think that's a good deal for the Astros? Thought process being you can absorb that 12 mil in the future and won't hurt you as much as 30+ the ladder years of his contract.
I said it was a moot point as I don't see any baseball player taking that kind of contract. They have the competitiveness to be paid the highest per year and they want the money now.
Texaggie7nine said:
What if the owner looks at it like "I'm willing to pay you $50+ mil a year these next 2/3 years, but I'm not willing to take the cap penalty due to the other big salaries that I'm paying, so I'm going to spread it out over several years.
Sounds like a great way to make sure you are never a dynasty and won't be able to afford to pay promising newcomers you want to keep. Good if you want a few good years, but not the way to build a long term powerhouse team IMO.
Texaggie7nine said:
What if the owner looks at it like "I'm willing to pay you $50+ mil a year these next 2/3 years, but I'm not willing to take the cap penalty due to the other big salaries that I'm paying, so I'm going to spread it out over several years.
For the amount of the contract, it's $50 million/year for seven years, not 2/3 though.
Well for the 10+ years I would think they expect to at least get 6 or more good years worth the high tag.
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But what if you can afford to. Just be a never ending money printer. I mean, the old Yankee's way of doing business worked out if you are paying the right people.txags92 said:Texaggie7nine said:
What if the owner looks at it like "I'm willing to pay you $50+ mil a year these next 2/3 years, but I'm not willing to take the cap penalty due to the other big salaries that I'm paying, so I'm going to spread it out over several years.
Sounds like a great way to make sure you are never a dynasty and won't be able to afford to pay promising newcomers you want to keep. Good if you want a few good years, but not the way to build a long term powerhouse team IMO.
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Diggity said:do they make aging pros climb **** when they can't hit anymore?htxag09 said:
Nah, he'll be healthy for more than 3. I feel like people over exaggerate the injury proneness of him. It is an absolutely terrible contract that'll drag them down the last several years, though. And I love that.
Brings me to a hypothetical, say you have a guy like judge. What if the Astros offered him 30 years at 12 mil? Think that's a good deal for the Astros? Thought process being you can absorb that 12 mil in the future and won't hurt you as much as 30+ the ladder years of his contract.
I said it was a moot point as I don't see any baseball player taking that kind of contract. They have the competitiveness to be paid the highest per year and they want the money now.
Bondag said:Sea Speed said:
Thirty years?
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Also Chris Davis and Ken Griffey Jr
People thought Correa wanted 35 million a year. This contract is for $27-ish a year. The Astros could have clearly afforded that but Jim Crane refuses long contracts and rightfully so.
Good for Correa and the agent. Both secure income for the next 13+ years assuming the contract gets restructured for longer payments after he retires.
Good for Correa and the agent. Both secure income for the next 13+ years assuming the contract gets restructured for longer payments after he retires.
The giants don't strike me as the kind of franchise to be a money printing machine.Texaggie7nine said:But what if you can afford to. Just be a never ending money printer. I mean, the old Yankee's way of doing business worked out if you are paying the right people.txags92 said:Texaggie7nine said:
What if the owner looks at it like "I'm willing to pay you $50+ mil a year these next 2/3 years, but I'm not willing to take the cap penalty due to the other big salaries that I'm paying, so I'm going to spread it out over several years.
Sounds like a great way to make sure you are never a dynasty and won't be able to afford to pay promising newcomers you want to keep. Good if you want a few good years, but not the way to build a long term powerhouse team IMO.
I was speaking more in general with all these long term signings. If anything Padres look like the new Yankees.
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That dude is a badass, assuming he's the same guy that did the display after the 2017 series?
Sweet!!!
Brantley re-signs with the 'stros for 1 year at $12M: https://www.mlb.com/news/michael-brantley-astros-agree-to-deal
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I think this is a good choice at a good price. I like Yuli and Uncle Mike at reduced roles and reduced pay. Very good insurance policies if there are injuries or poor performance.
I am fine with their team right now EXCEPT for centerfield. Must get someone better than McCormick, Dubon, or Meyers out there. Especially if we are sticking with Maldanado. We can just give up the 7,8,and 9 spots in the order.
Also, Michael Wacha is still out there. Would love to see him with the Astros.
Also, Michael Wacha is still out there. Would love to see him with the Astros.
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