Yes. And I'd bet the USCG already has it.torrid said:
I assume ships have the equivalent of the voice and flight data recorders on airplanes?
If you look at the AIS plotter, the Dali veered just a few degrees off the main channel, and bam.
Yes. And I'd bet the USCG already has it.torrid said:
I assume ships have the equivalent of the voice and flight data recorders on airplanes?
not yet.BassCowboy33 said:Yes. And I'd bet the USCG already has it.torrid said:
I assume ships have the equivalent of the voice and flight data recorders on airplanes?
If you look at the AIS plotter, the Dali veered just a few degrees off the main channel, and bam.
Psycho Bunny said:
To the idiot pilotling the ship
Quite surprising. It's usually the first thing done after an accident involving a ship, often within a couple of hours. Very standard pull. The only thing I could imagine is that the vessel is in a precarious physical setup, which I guess is possible with rescue going on around it..C@LAg said:not yet.BassCowboy33 said:Yes. And I'd bet the USCG already has it.torrid said:
I assume ships have the equivalent of the voice and flight data recorders on airplanes?
If you look at the AIS plotter, the Dali veered just a few degrees off the main channel, and bam.
press conference going on now.
no physical contact with the boat yet. all contact with the boat so far has just been boat to USCG radio chat
Yeah, just based on the video, I wouldn't guess pilot error. Even at a slow speed, it takes a 980 ft ship a long time to stop. It'll take even longer at shallow depths.Sea Speed said:Psycho Bunny said:
To the idiot pilotling the ship
Maybe so, but there are a million things that could have gone wrong on a ship that led to this without the pilot being an idiot.
yeah. they said rescue is top priority right now. using ROVs and side scan sonar to look for cars (I presume for victims) as well as get an early idea of the debris field.BassCowboy33 said:
Quite surprising. It's usually the first thing done after an accident involving a ship, often within a couple of hours. Very standard pull. The only thing I could imagine is that the vessel is in a precarious physical setup, which I guess is possible with rescue going on around it..
I'm now reading the Dali has a hull breach on the bow. So, that explains that.BassCowboy33 said:Quite surprising. It's usually the first thing done after an accident involving a ship, often within a couple of hours. Very standard pull. The only thing I could imagine is that the vessel is in a precarious physical setup, which I guess is possible with rescue going on around it..C@LAg said:not yet.BassCowboy33 said:Yes. And I'd bet the USCG already has it.torrid said:
I assume ships have the equivalent of the voice and flight data recorders on airplanes?
If you look at the AIS plotter, the Dali veered just a few degrees off the main channel, and bam.
press conference going on now.
no physical contact with the boat yet. all contact with the boat so far has just been boat to USCG radio chat
If it's on the forward section, an oil spill is not likely. Fuel is located at the stern. But, again, a grounding might cause a leak? In that case, you'd be pushing out HFO or MDO.C@LAg said:yeah. they said rescue is top priority right now. using ROVs and side scan sonar to look for cars (I presume for victims) as well as get an early idea of the debris field.BassCowboy33 said:
Quite surprising. It's usually the first thing done after an accident involving a ship, often within a couple of hours. Very standard pull. The only thing I could imagine is that the vessel is in a precarious physical setup, which I guess is possible with rescue going on around it..
air support is overhead helping look; no assessment yet if there is an oil spill or not but the smell is there. were waiting on more daylight to assess.
Foreverconservative said:Yeah I did notice all the lights on the ship go off for about three seconds before the impact, however the ship has a backup uninterruptible power supply, or UPS, that can provide power and automation in case of emergency. SO I'm not really buying power loss yet.C@LAg said:it looks like it loses power at one point, and then the drifting/turn into the bridgeForeverconservative said:
Is it just me or does it not appear like there was a course correction to run directly into the bridge pylon?
so engine was still puffing generating pressure, driving it, but the loss of power may have doomed it.
ts5641 said:
Yeah it appears it turned right into it.
Never once did I say anything about propulsion, I said automation.Sea Speed said:Foreverconservative said:Yeah I did notice all the lights on the ship go off for about three seconds before the impact, however the ship has a backup uninterruptible power supply, or UPS, that can provide power and automation in case of emergency. SO I'm not really buying power loss yet.C@LAg said:it looks like it loses power at one point, and then the drifting/turn into the bridgeForeverconservative said:
Is it just me or does it not appear like there was a course correction to run directly into the bridge pylon?
so engine was still puffing generating pressure, driving it, but the loss of power may have doomed it.
The ship absolutely does NOT have an automatic UPS that can power the propulsion on the ship. The ship has an emergency diesel generator to power specific things on board on the emergency bus.
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BassCowboy33 said:Quite surprising. It's usually the first thing done after an accident involving a ship, often within a couple of hours. Very standard pull. The only thing I could imagine is that the vessel is in a precarious physical setup, which I guess is possible with rescue going on around it..C@LAg said:not yet.BassCowboy33 said:Yes. And I'd bet the USCG already has it.torrid said:
I assume ships have the equivalent of the voice and flight data recorders on airplanes?
If you look at the AIS plotter, the Dali veered just a few degrees off the main channel, and bam.
press conference going on now.
no physical contact with the boat yet. all contact with the boat so far has just been boat to USCG radio chat
Foreverconservative said:Never once did I say anything about propulsion, I said automation.Sea Speed said:Foreverconservative said:Yeah I did notice all the lights on the ship go off for about three seconds before the impact, however the ship has a backup uninterruptible power supply, or UPS, that can provide power and automation in case of emergency. SO I'm not really buying power loss yet.C@LAg said:it looks like it loses power at one point, and then the drifting/turn into the bridgeForeverconservative said:
Is it just me or does it not appear like there was a course correction to run directly into the bridge pylon?
so engine was still puffing generating pressure, driving it, but the loss of power may have doomed it.
The ship absolutely does NOT have an automatic UPS that can power the propulsion on the ship. The ship has an emergency diesel generator to power specific things on board on the emergency bus.
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Sea Speed said:ts5641 said:
Yeah it appears it turned right into it.
The rudder could have very well been stuck at a certain rudder order depending on what the helmsman was doing at the time. It would not have been a very large rudder order because as noted the wind was not blowing and there was not a bend in the channel, but just a few degrees can make a difference, obviously.
Sea Speed said:BassCowboy33 said:Quite surprising. It's usually the first thing done after an accident involving a ship, often within a couple of hours. Very standard pull. The only thing I could imagine is that the vessel is in a precarious physical setup, which I guess is possible with rescue going on around it..C@LAg said:not yet.BassCowboy33 said:Yes. And I'd bet the USCG already has it.torrid said:
I assume ships have the equivalent of the voice and flight data recorders on airplanes?
If you look at the AIS plotter, the Dali veered just a few degrees off the main channel, and bam.
press conference going on now.
no physical contact with the boat yet. all contact with the boat so far has just been boat to USCG radio chat
The captain probably ensured that they data is saved but no one has been on board to retrieve it. USCG not being there yet doesn't surprise me as they are govt workers and this happened outside of business hours.
BassCowboy33 said:Sea Speed said:ts5641 said:
Yeah it appears it turned right into it.
The rudder could have very well been stuck at a certain rudder order depending on what the helmsman was doing at the time. It would not have been a very large rudder order because as noted the wind was not blowing and there was not a bend in the channel, but just a few degrees can make a difference, obviously.
We're probably talking 2-3 degrees.
bonfarr said:
News reports this morning say the lights on the ship went out two minutes prior to the crash and they are speculating that the ship lost all power. Apparently a harbor pilot was at the helm so will be interesting when we find out the details of the actual cause.
Al Bula said:
Frank Sobotka when he heard the news:
Bill Rawls says this happened on the wrong side of the bridge. McNulty is mad for sure.
BassCowboy33 said:I'm now reading the Dali has a hull breach on the bow. So, that explains that.BassCowboy33 said:Quite surprising. It's usually the first thing done after an accident involving a ship, often within a couple of hours. Very standard pull. The only thing I could imagine is that the vessel is in a precarious physical setup, which I guess is possible with rescue going on around it..C@LAg said:not yet.BassCowboy33 said:Yes. And I'd bet the USCG already has it.torrid said:
I assume ships have the equivalent of the voice and flight data recorders on airplanes?
If you look at the AIS plotter, the Dali veered just a few degrees off the main channel, and bam.
press conference going on now.
no physical contact with the boat yet. all contact with the boat so far has just been boat to USCG radio chat
BassCowboy33 said:bonfarr said:
News reports this morning say the lights on the ship went out two minutes prior to the crash and they are speculating that the ship lost all power. Apparently a harbor pilot was at the helm so will be interesting when we find out the details of the actual cause.
There was 100% a pilot at the helm. I'm also about 100% sure it wouldn't have made a difference. You lose power, you're pretty much at the mercy of the gods.
bonfarr said:
News reports this morning say the lights on the ship went out two minutes prior to the crash and they are speculating that the ship lost all power. Apparently a harbor pilot was at the helm so will be interesting when we find out the details of the actual cause.
does holding your hand outside the car window while driving stop your car?bonfarr said:
If they see a danger of collision with the bridge can the ship drop anchor if they had no power? Would that brake the ship?
bonfarr said:BassCowboy33 said:bonfarr said:
News reports this morning say the lights on the ship went out two minutes prior to the crash and they are speculating that the ship lost all power. Apparently a harbor pilot was at the helm so will be interesting when we find out the details of the actual cause.
There was 100% a pilot at the helm. I'm also about 100% sure it wouldn't have made a difference. You lose power, you're pretty much at the mercy of the gods.
If they see a danger of collision with the bridge can the ship drop anchor if they had no power? Would that brake the ship?
C@LAg said:does holding your hand outside the car window while driving stop your car?bonfarr said:
If they see a danger of collision with the bridge can the ship drop anchor if they had no power? Would that brake the ship?
Actually, the harbor pilot could likely not be at fault at all but at minimum his career is likely over and they may try to put him in jail. He is in an advisory role and the captain of the ship is in full control and responsibility.Psycho Bunny said:
To the idiot pilotling the ship
i meant it as illustrative, not condescending.El Hombre Mas Guapo said:C@LAg said:does holding your hand outside the car window while driving stop your car?bonfarr said:
If they see a danger of collision with the bridge can the ship drop anchor if they had no power? Would that brake the ship?
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Texasclipper said:Actually, the harbor pilot could likely not be at fault at all but at minimum his career is likely over and they may try to put him in jail. He is in an advisory role and the captain of the ship is in full control and responsibility.Psycho Bunny said:
To the idiot pilotling the ship
I feel for the pilot as he likely is a victim of bad luck.