Correct. The judge never got to deciding anything substantive beyond whether the Georgia Open Records Act covered the ballots. A win for having access to ballots. Not a win in showing anything wrong with the ballots or election.TheAngelFlight said:Judge Amero essentially said "I'm throwing your case out but Georgia law says ballots are public record so sure, I'll order them to be scanned and available to the public."Quote:
It was one of his cases before Judge Amero's court wherein issues with the absentee ballots in Fulton County presented enough evidence to convince him to orally order a higher resolution scan of them, only to inexplicably dismiss the case a few weeks later. A decision that was appealed and has now been reinstated.
I'm sure you tell great stories about fishing trips.
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Because we've seen him on TV commiting a crime (SOB he got fired}, we have seen the bank records, the existence of shell companies, etc. In decades of banking I've never even heard of anyone having more than 2 SARs and these thieves have 170+.The Green Dragon said:
All the people crying that a former president has never been indicted are likewise saying to prosecute a sitting president.
Perhaps you are missing my point in relation to this indictment regarding statements Trump made regarding the results in Georgia and whether he had "actual knowledge" that what he was saying was false and with no basis.Quote:
Correct. The judge never got to deciding anything substantive beyond whether the Georgia Open Records Act covered the ballots. A win for having access to ballots. Not a win in showing anything wrong with the ballots or election.
My point is that there was a basis for him to believe the results in GA were faulty. And those questions remain outstanding today.
jja79 said:Because we've seen him on TV commiting a crime (SOB he got fired}, we have seen the bank records, the existence of shell companies, etc. In decades of banking I've never even heard of anyone having more than 2 SARs and these thieves have 170+.The Green Dragon said:
All the people crying that a former president has never been indicted are likewise saying to prosecute a sitting president.
So the record is clear, I say prosecute both to the fullest extent of the law.
What you say, Paper Champion? I'm gonna beat you like a dog, a dog, you hear me!
Easy to say that when you know Biden's political allies in the DOJ and FBI won't do that, and are actually helping shield him from being held to the standard of the law.The Green Dragon said:jja79 said:Because we've seen him on TV commiting a crime (SOB he got fired}, we have seen the bank records, the existence of shell companies, etc. In decades of banking I've never even heard of anyone having more than 2 SARs and these thieves have 170+.The Green Dragon said:
All the people crying that a former president has never been indicted are likewise saying to prosecute a sitting president.
So the record is clear, I say prosecute both to the fullest extent of the law.
Sure. His big accomplishment around this election was in many ways unopposed by the other side(s). So, I'll repeat, you're really stretching out the length of that ol' fish by portraying Favorito as an accomplished legal eagle hereaggiehawg said:Did you actually watch that evidentiary hearing? I did. And the lawyer representing Fulton County was in on zoom and had no objection to the higher resolution scans and participated in the ways the court and the plaintiffs could make that happen. The only objection raised and granted by the court involved scanning the signature blocks on the envelopes.TheAngelFlight said:Judge Amero essentially said "I'm throwing your case out but Georgia law says ballots are public record so sure, I'll order them to be scanned and available to the public."Quote:
It was one of his cases before Judge Amero's court wherein issues with the absentee ballots in Fulton County presented enough evidence to convince him to orally order a higher resolution scan of them, only to inexplicably dismiss the case a few weeks later. A decision that was appealed and has now been reinstated.
I'm sure you tell great stories about fishing trips.
He's not a lawyer. He's an IT expert. I never claimed he was a lawyer, just that his organization has supported and filed multiple lawsuits regarding election integrity for years and years, well before 2020.Quote:
Sure. His big accomplishment around this election was in many ways unopposed by the other side(s). So, I'll repeat, you're really stretching out the length of that ol' fish by portraying Favorito as an accomplished legal eagle here
But again, this is about Trump's actual knowledge and whether his opinion about the results in GA were unfounded.
They were not unfounded.
The indictment lays out multiple emails, statements, and other acknowledgements by Trump and the various "co-conspirators" that they *knew" or *believed* that a number of claims around Georgia were false. Trump privately called certain claims "crazy", they knew the arena video was doctored, they acknowledged that they couldn't back up claims "which is why we're 0-32", etc., etc.aggiehawg said:Perhaps you are missing my point in relation to this indictment regarding statements Trump made regarding the results in Georgia and whether he had "actual knowledge" that what he was saying was false and with no basis.Quote:
Correct. The judge never got to deciding anything substantive beyond whether the Georgia Open Records Act covered the ballots. A win for having access to ballots. Not a win in showing anything wrong with the ballots or election.
My point is that there was a basis for him to believe the results in GA were faulty. And those questions remain outstanding today.
Trump will have his opportunity to defend against the indictment. But the indictment is based on Trump and Trump's team own belief that they were peddling falsities. Not some mistaken, but still honest, belief about what they were claiming
I'm not saying he's a lawyer. I'm saying your pushing him as accomplished or reliable in this area is a huge stretch of the truth.aggiehawg said:He's not a lawyer. He's an IT expert. I never claimed he was a lawyer, just that his organization has supported and filed multiple lawsuits regarding election integrity for years and years, well before 2020.Quote:
Sure. His big accomplishment around this election was in many ways unopposed by the other side(s). So, I'll repeat, you're really stretching out the length of that ol' fish by portraying Favorito as an accomplished legal eagle here
But again, this is about Trump's actual knowledge and whether his opinion about the results in GA were unfounded.
They were not unfounded.
Fine. You dislike him because after 2020 he became acquainted with Trump. He's not even a Republican but that doesn't matter, apparently.Quote:
I'm not saying he's a lawyer. I'm saying your pushing him as accomplished or reliable in this area is a huge stretch of the truth.
Can we go back to talking about the Trump indictment now?
rackmonster said:
The most chilling part in this indictment for me? The one guy tells Jeffrey Clark "If you Overturn this election, there will be riots in every American city". Clark says " That's why we have the Insurrection Act."
There. Trump wanted violence. He and his Brownshirts would have thrown out my vote for Biden. My right to vote? A right that I secured for myself and every other American through my Military Service? You damn right I would have been out in the streets protesting AS I HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO. And then Trump and his Flying MAGA Monkeys would have happily had the US Military come out and shoot me.
Sorry Folks, but I take that awful personal.
So you are angry about your own hypothetical fantasy of where things could go more than actual injustices that have happened? Strange.
if you didn't like the results, you would have protested as you have a right to do! That's great! But the unarmed trump supporters on 1/6 that are still in jail should remain there and Trump should join them, right?rackmonster said:
You damn right I would have been out in the streets protesting AS I HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO.
you have every right to vote for socialism whether you actually hate America that much or you've just consumed that much msm brainwash programming and are fully infected, but censoring the press on social media and propagating phony russian disinfo "intel" letters on msm to hide proof of biden's corruption before the election is banana republic shenanigans that changed the outcome and proof that permanent gov bureaucrats and the dnc are far too powerful and too corrupt before we even get into how the scamdemic was used to turn absentee voting into a joke of a mass-mailed ez fraud operation. we can't have a system where campaigning isn't even necessary to count record shattering 81 million ballots despite winning by far the fewest counties for a winner ever to install a corrupt old man who could only get a dozen people to attend one of his only rallies and listen to him yell about not opening the economy until we got more plexiglass to combat covid and we can't have a system where there's zero remedy and zero consequence for the most blatant interference in our history or a system where the loser considering possible remedies are crimes with up to 400 years in prison unless the ones considering the remedies are (d)ifferent.
now your regime is wantonly vilifying half of the citizenry of this country and laughing about disenfranchising and dividing us further with intentionally broken elections with no ids, no chain of custody, no signature verification, no audit trails, and no accountability so you can have your predetermined results. this just doesn't seem like a sustainable way to go no matter how badly you hate a country where the people choose its president or how badly you want socialist rule.
glad you didn't have to face the infamous flying maga monkeys though.
Yes, it's starting to have a bit of a crimson fishy smell around here.aggiehawg said:Fine. You dislike him because after 2020 he became acquainted with Trump. He's not even a Republican but that doesn't matter, apparently.Quote:
I'm not saying he's a lawyer. I'm saying your pushing him as accomplished or reliable in this area is a huge stretch of the truth.
Can we go back to talking about the Trump indictment now?
You brought him up and pushed his credentials from the start. I didn't say a word about Trump, nor do I care if Favorino shows up on stages or not. But Garland Favarino is not authoritative, reliable, nor accomplished in this area.aggiehawg said:Fine. You dislike him because after 2020 he became acquainted with Trump. He's not even a Republican but that doesn't matter, apparently.Quote:
I'm not saying he's a lawyer. I'm saying your pushing him as accomplished or reliable in this area is a huge stretch of the truth.
Can we go back to talking about the Trump indictment now?
Only because democrats who need insecure ez-fraud elections, CNN, twitterx mob, and reddit mob say so!Quote:
Garland Favarino is not authoritative, reliable, nor accomplished in this area.
That video and this presentation from December 3, 2020 is discussed at length in the indictment. They believe they can show Trump and his team knew versions put out were doctored and that they were using it misleadingly.
That attorney isn't a "co-conspirator" in this case, but is described as "another agent to President Trump"
That attorney isn't a "co-conspirator" in this case, but is described as "another agent to President Trump"
LOL. Good luck proving that.TXAggie2011 said:
That video is discussed at length in the indictment. They believe they can show Trump and his team knew versions put out were doctored and that they were using it misleadingly.
June 20th, 2023
On Tuesday, the State Election Board dismissed case SEB2020-059, a long-running investigation into alleged malfeasance during the 2020 election at the State Farm Arena in Atlanta. Over the course of the investigation, it was confirmed that numerous allegations made against the Fulton County Department of Registration and Elections, and specifically, two election workers, were false and unsubstantiated.
Through the course of the investigation, "three law enforcement agencies reviewed the entire unedited video footage of the events in question surrounding [the two election workers] at State Farm Arena," and additionally, reviewed social media posts allegedly made by a Fulton County election worker stating they engaged in election fraud, which was found to created by a third party who "admitted he created a fake account and confirmed the content that was posted on the account was fake." Ultimately, "all allegations made against [the two election workers] were unsubstantiated and found to have no merit."
https://sos.ga.gov/news/state-election-board-clears-fulton-county-ballot-suitcase-investigation-report-finds-no
On Tuesday, the State Election Board dismissed case SEB2020-059, a long-running investigation into alleged malfeasance during the 2020 election at the State Farm Arena in Atlanta. Over the course of the investigation, it was confirmed that numerous allegations made against the Fulton County Department of Registration and Elections, and specifically, two election workers, were false and unsubstantiated.
Through the course of the investigation, "three law enforcement agencies reviewed the entire unedited video footage of the events in question surrounding [the two election workers] at State Farm Arena," and additionally, reviewed social media posts allegedly made by a Fulton County election worker stating they engaged in election fraud, which was found to created by a third party who "admitted he created a fake account and confirmed the content that was posted on the account was fake." Ultimately, "all allegations made against [the two election workers] were unsubstantiated and found to have no merit."
https://sos.ga.gov/news/state-election-board-clears-fulton-county-ballot-suitcase-investigation-report-finds-no
Maybe. Maybe not. We'll see what happens. The indictment says at least one member of Trump's close staff called the claims made in the video by that attorney "inaccurate", several senior campaign advisors told Trump the claims were false, among other similar statements about that presentation by Trump's staff to Trump and other co-conspirators.aggiehawg said:LOL. Good luck proving that.TXAggie2011 said:
That video is discussed at length in the indictment. They believe they can show Trump and his team knew versions put out were doctored and that they were using it misleadingly.
Ags77 said:
Still have to get a conviction.
DeSantis 2024
This indictment is meant to bolster support for Trump, by the left.
hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. good times create weak men. and weak men create hard times.
less virtue signaling, more vice signaling.
Birds aren’t real
Lol,lmao
less virtue signaling, more vice signaling.
Birds aren’t real
Lol,lmao
Have you ever been co-counsel on a case with a lawyer from another firm?TXAggie2011 said:Maybe. Maybe not. We'll see what happens. The indictment says at least one member of Trump's close staff called the claims made in the video by that attorney "inaccurate", several senior campaign advisors told Trump the claims were false, among other similar statements about that presentation by Trump's staff to Trump and other co-conspirators.aggiehawg said:LOL. Good luck proving that.TXAggie2011 said:
That video is discussed at length in the indictment. They believe they can show Trump and his team knew versions put out were doctored and that they were using it misleadingly.
I can attest lawyers even on the same team disagree all of the time. And when the law is very murky, as are election laws, those disagreements expand exponentially. Lawyesr disagree. That's what they do. Surprised you, as a lawyer, don't know that.
The indictment lays out a wall of presumable future witnesses, many of which are not lawyers, some of which are lawyers, who will testify they told Trump something was false. Then, of course, the experts will come into to dissect what they see.aggiehawg said:Have you ever been co-counsel on a case with a lawyer from another firm?TXAggie2011 said:Maybe. Maybe not. We'll see what happens. The indictment says at least one member of Trump's close staff called the claims made in the video by that attorney "inaccurate", several senior campaign advisors told Trump the claims were false, among other similar statements about that presentation by Trump's staff to Trump and other co-conspirators.aggiehawg said:LOL. Good luck proving that.TXAggie2011 said:
That video is discussed at length in the indictment. They believe they can show Trump and his team knew versions put out were doctored and that they were using it misleadingly.
I can attest lawyers even on the same team disagree all of the time. And when the law is very murky, as are election laws, those disagreements expand exponentially. Lawyesr disagree. That's what they do. Surprised you, as a lawyer, don't know that.
It will be up to the defense to then turn around a credibly show Trump has some reasonable and honest reason to believe he knew personally knew better than a great many of his closest, most senior advisors.
So, I will say again, maybe, maybe not. We will see what happens.
You've got to remember, as a lawyer who's under 35 years old, he has waaaaay more wisdom and experience than you have.
Hate is how progressives sustain themselves. Without hate, introspection begins to slip into the progressive's consciousness, threatening the progressive with the truth: that their ideas and opinions are illogical, hypocritical, dangerous, and asinine.
This is backed by data.
This is backed by data.
So you don't "take personal" the Biden Administration actually jailing and prosecuting people who were around the Capitol on Jan 6 to protest (but not part of the riot) which, as you say, people have the right to do...rackmonster said:
The most chilling part in this indictment for me? The one guy tells Jeffrey Clark "If you Overturn this election, there will be riots in every American city". Clark says " That's why we have the Insurrection Act."
There. Trump wanted violence. He and his Brownshirts would have thrown out my vote for Biden. My right to vote? A right that I secured for myself and every other American through my Military Service? You damn right I would have been out in the streets protesting AS I HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO. And then Trump and his Flying MAGA Monkeys would have happily had the US Military come out and shoot me.
Sorry Folks, but I take that awful personal.
But you're "chilled" to your bones by a hypothetical assumption you made about Trump wanting violence, when there's no real evidence to suggest that's the case? Or that there were mass protests in the summer of 2020 which Trump never sent his "Flying MAGA Monkeys" and military out to shoot people?
That's not even getting into the Biden Administration purging the military of honorable people who don't share the views of the administration or were willing to take the vaccine.
Faux outrage at its finest.
Disagreeing with your advisors can be a criminal offense? I'm no lawyer but that seems like a stretch.Quote:
It will be up to the defense to then turn around a credibly show Trump has some reasonable and honest reason to believe he knew personally knew better than a great many of his closest, most senior advisors.
No way. They are torn apart.Funky Winkerbean said:
Still don't think TDS is real? I'm sure the DeSantites are tickled ****less.
On one hand they love DeSantis and know the elimination of Trump is their only road to the general, but they also know in the absence of spoons pudding is a finger food.
Irrelevant to the charges contained in the indictment.etxag02 said:
June 20th, 2023
On Tuesday, the State Election Board dismissed case SEB2020-059, a long-running investigation into alleged malfeasance during the 2020 election at the State Farm Arena in Atlanta. Over the course of the investigation, it was confirmed that numerous allegations made against the Fulton County Department of Registration and Elections, and specifically, two election workers, were false and unsubstantiated.
Through the course of the investigation, "three law enforcement agencies reviewed the entire unedited video footage of the events in question surrounding [the two election workers] at State Farm Arena," and additionally, reviewed social media posts allegedly made by a Fulton County election worker stating they engaged in election fraud, which was found to created by a third party who "admitted he created a fake account and confirmed the content that was posted on the account was fake." Ultimately, "all allegations made against [the two election workers] were unsubstantiated and found to have no merit."
https://sos.ga.gov/news/state-election-board-clears-fulton-county-ballot-suitcase-investigation-report-finds-no
aggiehawg said:Irrelevant to the charges contained in the indictment.etxag02 said:
June 20th, 2023
On Tuesday, the State Election Board dismissed case SEB2020-059, a long-running investigation into alleged malfeasance during the 2020 election at the State Farm Arena in Atlanta. Over the course of the investigation, it was confirmed that numerous allegations made against the Fulton County Department of Registration and Elections, and specifically, two election workers, were false and unsubstantiated.
Through the course of the investigation, "three law enforcement agencies reviewed the entire unedited video footage of the events in question surrounding [the two election workers] at State Farm Arena," and additionally, reviewed social media posts allegedly made by a Fulton County election worker stating they engaged in election fraud, which was found to created by a third party who "admitted he created a fake account and confirmed the content that was posted on the account was fake." Ultimately, "all allegations made against [the two election workers] were unsubstantiated and found to have no merit."
https://sos.ga.gov/news/state-election-board-clears-fulton-county-ballot-suitcase-investigation-report-finds-no
Not really "irrelevant" when like 5 pages of the indictment focus substantially on the video. Not in a formal legal sense, but it's certainly an indicator of where the evidence points as to the veracity of claims around the video
This isn't a legitimate country any longer so that's not possible.
Alex Halderman report can be found at this LINK
And if one doesn't know who Halderman is, you haven't been paying attention. Further, FTR, Raffenspeger has openly stated he will not deploy the patches and fixes required to close the gaping security holes in the Dominion Systems before the 2024 election.
And if one doesn't know who Halderman is, you haven't been paying attention. Further, FTR, Raffenspeger has openly stated he will not deploy the patches and fixes required to close the gaping security holes in the Dominion Systems before the 2024 election.
...The press conference held by Smith only deepened the unease for some of us. Smith railed against the January 6th riot and made it sound like he was indicting Trump on incitement. He didn't. The disconnect was glaring and concerning.
— Jonathan Turley (@JonathanTurley) August 1, 2023
Special Counsel Jack Smith just issued the first criminal indictment of alleged disinformation in my view. If you take a red pen to all of the material presumptively protected by the First Amendment, you can reduce much of the indictment to haiku...
— Jonathan Turley (@JonathanTurley) August 1, 2023
Had nothing to do with the FBI and media lying about Trump from day 1, does it? Oh no, Trump is divisive because he pushes back. Trump is divisive because we lied about it and mush heads believed our lies.Opalka said:While Smith is the one who indicted Trump, it will be up to a jury to decide guilt or innocence. And remember, it will be Trump's OWN PEOPLE who will be the witnesses called. It won't be democrats being called. Pointing a finger at who is divisive....that's not hard to look at transcripts from Trump's 4 years of partisan divisiveness (not to mention right wing media). All you have to do is look at FOXNews front web page any given day to see article after article of "Democrats bad.....conservatives good".Gigem314 said:They'll believe all three are coincidences and Jack Smith is an honorable conservative just doing his job. While also believing they had no idea how senile poor Joe was when they voted for him in 2020, but their prayer group prays for him. They had no idea the democrats would be so partisan and divisive, it's so perplexing.Maroon Dawn said:
Daily reminder for Leftist and CM living in denial and refusing to see basic patterns:Quote:
June 7: FBI releases documents to Congress alleging the Bidens took a $10M bribe from Burisma.
June 8: Jack Smith indicts Trump in Mar-a-Lago docs case.
July 26: Hunter Biden goes to court and rejects sweetheart plea deal after it was revealed DOJ tried to give him blanket immunity from future prosecutions.
July 27: Jack Smith adds more charges for Trump in the Mar-a-lago case.
July 31: Hunter Biden's former business partner testifies to Congress that Joe Biden was on over 20 calls with his son's business partners and that Burisma execs pressured them to fire the prosecutor
August 1: Jack Smith indicts Trump again for January 6
Like him well enough to vote for him.GeorgiAg said:Whataboutism but I don't like Biden. If he committed crimes, prosecute him and throw him in jail.Gigem314 said:If Trump was President and his DOJ or Trump appointed judges were indicting Biden, Hillary, or any vocal Democrat leader for the summer 2020 protests or mishandling classified documents the day after one of Don Jr.'s associates testified that the Trumps took bribes and covered it up...you would be SCREAMING for Trump to be thrown in jail and impeached from office.GeorgiAg said:
Trump staging a rally on Jan 6 when the vote was going to be certified, knowing that the most radical elements of his base, e.g. Proud Boys, etc.. would show up, telling them to "fight like hell," telling them to march to the Capitol, etc... was reckless at best. That is not criminal.
But if there is evidence of admission that he knew he lost the election, evidence of intent to obstruct the certification, coupled with intent to set up fake electors in the swing states that is another matter.
Take off your orange colored glasses. Now imagine it was Hillary or Biden
No one is above the law. If the testimony is so damning why won't they GOP release the testimony?
Hillary, Hunter and Joe are above the law.
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