Trump Jan 6 sealed indictment delivered

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aggiehawg
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Putting the politics of the timing on this aside, this case as against Trump is essentilly dead one way or another in legal terms.

Fischer and US v. Trump SCOTUS rulings killed it. And if that takes awhile to process, there is Judge Cannon's opinion in the Florida case. Jack Smith doesn't have the proper authority to bring any cases in the first place.

As I have always maintained. Jack Smith's indictments as BS. Always have been. Awful lawyer.
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TXAggie2011 said:

Im Gipper said:

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Trump's team said in their Motion to Dismiss Based on Presidential Immunity (filed last October) that you take the allegations in the indictment as true.
If Trump acknowledges that the facts in the indictment must be accepted as true, I'd love to hear someone explain why the inability to cross-examine these grand jury witnesses is relevant for the purposes of a motion to dismiss.

Has anyone seen such an explanation?



I think it's much more of a social media argument than anything else at this point
Having it released so it can be speculated on all over social media was a feature of the release, not a bug...
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jrdaustin said:

Watermelon Man said:

aginlakeway said:

Watermelon Man said:

aginlakeway said:

Watermelon Man said:

Im Gipper said:

Watermelon Man said:

Im Gipper said:

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I feel confident that the immunity ruling will get overturned
Under what circumstances?
I truly believe that sanity will return to the Supreme Court. It may take a while, but I have faith that it will happen. The idea of Presidential Immunity for Criminal Acts is so Anti-American that either it will be rejected by The People, or The People will no longer define America.

"Nonresponsive"
I'm going to guess that by this response, you mean that there are no circumstances where sanity will return to the Supreme Court.

A boy can hope, can't he?


What's your opinion on the timing of all of this be released?
Two weeks.



What's your opinion on the timing of why this was released yesterday?
By "this" I have to guess (because you are vague about it) that you mean the unsealing of Smith's brief. The timing has everything to do with how long it took to rule on the motions, and nothing else.

If you think you're convincing anyone other than yourself with your fanciful interpretations, you're sorely mistaken.

You are lost in a liberal fantasyland, and it's a sad sight to see.
Well, you tell me. Should the Judge make the ruling before the brief was filed? Or, should a reasonable amount of time, say two weeks, have been allowed to pass before making a ruling?

Or, are you suggesting the ruling was incorrect and obviously politically biased? If that's the case, then it isn't the timing that is the issue, but the actual ruling.

If the timing is the issue, you need to look at the timing of the Supreme Court decision.
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TXAggie2011 said:

Im Gipper said:

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Trump's team said in their Motion to Dismiss Based on Presidential Immunity (filed last October) that you take the allegations in the indictment as true.
If Trump acknowledges that the facts in the indictment must be accepted as true, I'd love to hear someone explain why the inability to cross-examine these grand jury witnesses is relevant for the purposes of a motion to dismiss.

Has anyone seen such an explanation?



I think it's much more of a social media argument than anything else at this point


So more bad Trump hiring decisions. If he'd hired all the internet lawyers, these cases would all be over.
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Watermelon Man said:



What makes this different than the stolen election lies is Smith supplies evidence of what he is alleging. Trump's lies, not so much. Realizing that a Federal Prosecutor is unlikely to manufacture evidence to put before a Grand Jury, where there is a written record of what people said carries a lot of weight.

Wanna know how I know you're totally FOS? Look no farther than this asinine statement.

Go troll somewhere else.
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Watermelon Man said:

jrdaustin said:

Watermelon Man said:

aginlakeway said:

Watermelon Man said:

aginlakeway said:

Watermelon Man said:

Im Gipper said:

Watermelon Man said:

Im Gipper said:

Quote:

I feel confident that the immunity ruling will get overturned
Under what circumstances?
I truly believe that sanity will return to the Supreme Court. It may take a while, but I have faith that it will happen. The idea of Presidential Immunity for Criminal Acts is so Anti-American that either it will be rejected by The People, or The People will no longer define America.

"Nonresponsive"
I'm going to guess that by this response, you mean that there are no circumstances where sanity will return to the Supreme Court.

A boy can hope, can't he?


What's your opinion on the timing of all of this be released?
Two weeks.



What's your opinion on the timing of why this was released yesterday?
By "this" I have to guess (because you are vague about it) that you mean the unsealing of Smith's brief. The timing has everything to do with how long it took to rule on the motions, and nothing else.

If you think you're convincing anyone other than yourself with your fanciful interpretations, you're sorely mistaken.

You are lost in a liberal fantasyland, and it's a sad sight to see.
Well, you tell me. Should the Judge make the ruling before the brief was filed? Or, should a reasonable amount of time, say two weeks, have been allowed to pass before making a ruling?

Or, are you suggesting the ruling was incorrect and obviously politically biased? If that's the case, then it isn't the timing that is the issue, but the actual ruling.

If the timing is the issue, you need to look at the timing of the Supreme Court decision.




For some reason you left out the timing of these cases ramping up in advance of SCOTUS even being asked to rule on immunity. Why would you do that, I wonder. If these cases with very weak to no precedent don't exist, the SCOTUS has nothing to decide on.
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Watermelon Man said:

jrdaustin said:

Watermelon Man said:

aginlakeway said:

Watermelon Man said:

aginlakeway said:

Watermelon Man said:

Im Gipper said:

Watermelon Man said:

Im Gipper said:

Quote:

I feel confident that the immunity ruling will get overturned
Under what circumstances?
I truly believe that sanity will return to the Supreme Court. It may take a while, but I have faith that it will happen. The idea of Presidential Immunity for Criminal Acts is so Anti-American that either it will be rejected by The People, or The People will no longer define America.

"Nonresponsive"
I'm going to guess that by this response, you mean that there are no circumstances where sanity will return to the Supreme Court.

A boy can hope, can't he?


What's your opinion on the timing of all of this be released?
Two weeks.



What's your opinion on the timing of why this was released yesterday?
By "this" I have to guess (because you are vague about it) that you mean the unsealing of Smith's brief. The timing has everything to do with how long it took to rule on the motions, and nothing else.

If you think you're convincing anyone other than yourself with your fanciful interpretations, you're sorely mistaken.

You are lost in a liberal fantasyland, and it's a sad sight to see.
Well, you tell me. Should the Judge make the ruling before the brief was filed? Or, should a reasonable amount of time, say two weeks, have been allowed to pass before making a ruling?

Or, are you suggesting the ruling was incorrect and obviously politically biased? If that's the case, then it isn't the timing that is the issue, but the actual ruling.

If the timing is the issue, you need to look at the timing of the Supreme Court decision.

I will tell you. You're obviously enjoying yourself playing in the weeds. But this case was never about law enforcement. As with all the other massively "reach" allegations against Trump, this whole political theatre playing both in AND out of a courtroom is simply that. Political Theatre.

Smith is using the same playbook that Bragg used. Use a novel unprecedented applicaton of law to create a vague allegation of criminality that has never been used before, even though the same scenario has played out mutiple times before in American politics. But now, use a compliant judge and political system to "try" the allegations in public and damage the candidate. (This is also the same playbook that was used for the two impeachments while Trump was in office.)

THIS is the objective of Smith, and the DC court system here. This whole thing is not about law enforcement. It never has been.

Now I know you have a diffferent opinion, and you're welcome to it. But understand that I'm not going to continue to argue with you, as I suspect both by your posts, and the time you are spending here, that:
  • A. You are not a graduate of Texas A&M. and
  • B. You are here to troll, rather than make reasoned arguments; and, you are possibly being paid to do so.
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captkirk said:


We're clearly in another dimension here.

It says Elie Honig wrote that article. It MUST be the AI Elie Honig. It's rare I've seen him speak, or write, critical thought.
Hate is how progressives sustain themselves. Without hate, introspection begins to slip into the progressive's consciousness, threatening the progressive with the truth: that their ideas and opinions are illogical, hypocritical, dangerous, and asinine.
This is backed by data.
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There have been quite a few lefties who have been red pilled and see Smith's lawfare for what it is, pure BS.
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The good news, imho, is that he is likely to succeed in having the appellate court step in on this one. It's pretty damn cognizable, again, my two cents, the harm which she is facilitating to a defendant which the court can simply/easily avoid by delaying a few weeks, in accordance with longstanding DoJ policy.
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This lady …


I'm Gipper
aggiehawg
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Chutkan needs to be impeached and removed from the bench. Giving SCOTUS a double middle finger at this point.
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Obama appointees want their October surprise
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I'm Gipper
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Im Gipper said:




Ok. This won't change a single vote.
"I'm sure that won't make a bit of difference for those of you who enjoy a baseless rage over the decisions of a few teenagers."
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Im Gipper said:




Get ready for daily dribble of "bombshells" from the report from now to election day. It's all the Dems have. J6 and threat to democracy. Problem is they've made anyone other than their ardent trump hating base desensitized to it. J6 and threat to democracy doesn't fill an empty wallet or make you safer from illegals and criminals or stop foreign wars.
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Bump 2!

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