So Donald Trump is combative, vindictive, short-tempered, arrogant, likes to sue, and holds grudges. None of those things are crimes.Watermelon Man said:[MUST WATCH* 10 minutes of Democrats denying election results.]aggiehawg said:MUST WATCH🚨 10 minutes of Democrats denying election results.
— KanekoaTheGreat (@KanekoaTheGreat) August 2, 2023
Democrats objected to the certification of presidential elections in 2000, 2004, and 2016.
Will Joe Biden, Merrick Garland, and Jack Smith arrest these Democrats who made false statements and denied these elections?… pic.twitter.com/fgTz18v5re
All this shows is that in prior elections, the losing party knew how to question and object to election results. They also knew when to give up after legal avenues had been exhausted, something the Donald seems to be unaware is even a possibility.
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Since the DOJ has turned itself into a joke, can Trump legally have his 4 or 5 Attorney co-conspirators represent him in this case ?
This guy is still trolling.nomadic_ag said:nortex97 said:
This guy still thinks it's a partisan issue.
In case anyone chooses to follow along in real time about what happened in Georgia before and after the 2020 election (the primaries were also screwed up that year as well) the press releases by VoterGA are HERE
And for anyone who does not know who Garland Favorito is, he's been doing election integrity work in Georgia for years. Not a Trumper. Those press releases are relevant to the charges specific to what Trump said about the results in Georgia. Court cases over 2020 are still pending there.
And for anyone who does not know who Garland Favorito is, he's been doing election integrity work in Georgia for years. Not a Trumper. Those press releases are relevant to the charges specific to what Trump said about the results in Georgia. Court cases over 2020 are still pending there.
While Favorito has been around before Trump started running for office, Favorito is certainly "a Trumper" who has spoken on stage at multiple Trump campaign rallies.Quote:
And for anyone who does not know who Garland Favorito is, he's been doing election integrity work in Georgia for years. Not a Trumper. Those press releases are relevant to the charges specific to what Trump said about the results in Georgia. Court cases over 2020 are still pending there.
They will persecute and claim that any attorney who dares try to be on Trump's legal defense team is a co-conspirator. This is how the Stalinist media works.oysterbayAG said:
Since the DOJ has turned itself into a joke, can Trump legally have his 4 or 5 Attorney co-conspirators represent him in this case ?
So who is going to present it to a grand jury? Garland?!? Smith?!? Weiss?!?ArcticPenguin said:
I am wrong how? If true, present it to a grand jury and indict. You think I want Biden as POTUS or to get some kind of flier?
Your argument immediately fails as you assume this DOJ has ANY interest in pursuing the Bidens at all. And then you hide behind that disinterest to claim that "well, then the evidence must not be there".
As an attorney, did you read the "statement of fact" that accompanied Hunter's failed plea agreement which held no benefit for Hunter as the blanket immunity was buried in the diversion agreement? Can you honestly say that that statement of fact was written a DOJ interested in truth?
I'll argue that you have absolutely no interest in looking into the Bidens, or for that matter, concern for the potential of the highest levels of our country being compromised by our enemies. You're too busy being fixated on imprisioning a man who is not bowing the knee to DC.
Their plan is working.
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And then you hide behind that disinterest to claim that "well, then the evidence must not be there".
And that is relevant how? Are you just going to dismiss every thing Favorito has said and done for years prior to Trump even coming down the escalator in 2015? Favorito's motives for working towards election integrity have nothing to do with Trump, per se. He wants clean transparent elections. The fact that Trump happened to be the one affected in 2020, is a sidenote.TXAggie2011 said:While Favorito has been around before Trump started running for office, Favorito is certainly "a Trumper" who has spoken on stage at multiple Trump campaign rallies.Quote:
And for anyone who does not know who Garland Favorito is, he's been doing election integrity work in Georgia for years. Not a Trumper. Those press releases are relevant to the charges specific to what Trump said about the results in Georgia. Court cases over 2020 are still pending there.
you can't complete the marxist regime takeover if people are out there fighting for election integrity. he's an enemy of the regime.aggiehawg said:And that is relevant how? Are you just going to dismiss every thing Favorito has said and done for years prior to Trump even coming down the escalator in 2015? Favorito's motives for working towards election integrity have nothing to do with Trump, per se. He wants clean transparent elections. The fact that Trump happened to be the one affected in 2020, is a sidenote.TXAggie2011 said:While Favorito has been around before Trump started running for office, Favorito is certainly "a Trumper" who has spoken on stage at multiple Trump campaign rallies.Quote:
And for anyone who does not know who Garland Favorito is, he's been doing election integrity work in Georgia for years. Not a Trumper. Those press releases are relevant to the charges specific to what Trump said about the results in Georgia. Court cases over 2020 are still pending there.
Well, yes, he is those things.Gigem314 said:So Donald Trump is combative, vindictive, short-tempered, arrogant, likes to sue, and holds grudges. None of those things are crimes.Watermelon Man said:[MUST WATCH* 10 minutes of Democrats denying election results.]aggiehawg said:MUST WATCH🚨 10 minutes of Democrats denying election results.
— KanekoaTheGreat (@KanekoaTheGreat) August 2, 2023
Democrats objected to the certification of presidential elections in 2000, 2004, and 2016.
Will Joe Biden, Merrick Garland, and Jack Smith arrest these Democrats who made false statements and denied these elections?… pic.twitter.com/fgTz18v5re
All this shows is that in prior elections, the losing party knew how to question and object to election results. They also knew when to give up after legal avenues had been exhausted, something the Donald seems to be unaware is even a possibility.
In addition, it appears that he has committed several crimes. We won't know for sure until the trials are concluded (or, he takes a plea, but I don't see a combative, vindictive, short-tempered, arrogant orangeman who likes to sue and hold grudges doing that. If he was going to do that, he could have just conceded like all of those Democrats did in the video clip.)
It is much easier to fool someone than it is to convince someone that he has been fooled.
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In April 2022, the New York Times delved into the priorities of Attorney General Merrick Garland and the Biden administration, the latter of which had been hoping Garland would be more aggressive and take more decisive action to target Trump for January 6. According to the Times' report, Biden had "confided to his inner circle that he believed former President Donald J. Trump was a threat to democracy and should be prosecuted, according to two people familiar with his comments."
"And while the president has never communicated his frustrations directly to Mr. Garland, he has said privately that he wanted Mr. Garland to act less like a ponderous judge and more like a prosecutor who is willing to take decisive action over the events of Jan. 6," according to the report. At the time, Garland said they would "do the right thing" and "follow the facts and the law wherever they may lead."
In 2022, the New York Times reported Biden was frustrated his AG Merrick Garland hadn't prosecuted his chief political rival Donald Trump yet for J6 and believed it had to happen. Today, he got what he asked his DOJ for via the New York Times. https://t.co/yzaGCxvCqe
— Mollie (@MZHemingway) August 1, 2023
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But it certainly isn't a politically motivated indictment, right? I mean, it is not like Garland reads the Times, does he?
once a DC jury says he committed crimes, then we'll all know for sure he committed crimes and all anti-communists will flip and be in favor of the regime's tactics towards its political opponents.
Answer me two questions.GeorgiAg said:
Trump staging a rally on Jan 6 when the vote was going to be certified, knowing that the most radical elements of his base, e.g. Proud Boys, etc.. would show up, telling them to "fight like hell," telling them to march to the Capitol, etc... was reckless at best. That is not criminal.
But if there is evidence of admission that he knew he lost the election, evidence of intent to obstruct the certification, coupled with intent to set up fake electors in the swing states that is another matter.
Take off your orange colored glasses. Now imagine it was Hillary or Biden
Do you, or anyone else, have an explanation for the multiple boxes of apparently unfolded ballots that were identical with Biden as the only candidate voted for with nearly perfect bubbling of his name? (_Interestingly, can't seem to find anything on that any more by doing a Google search)
Do you, or anyone else, have a difinitive explanation for the vote spikes for Biden. I know the preferred narrative explanation is that mail-ins overwhelmingly for Biden, but they don't address how that happens in a 50-50 election in the dead of night.
My point is, that many Americans, myself included, still don't buy the narrative that the election was free and fair, resulting in the Trump loss. And stamping out court challenges due to lack of standing or latches fails to address the MERITS of the allegations.
Now, it seems that questioning the "official" narrative can now be considered criminal.
Is that the country you truly want? Truly?
Favorito is a fringe, conspiracy theorist, who occasionally gets attention from other fringe, conspiracy theorists and whose work has never accomplished anything. He's a product of the internet age when anyone can start a website. Before moving to election integrity, he wrote an unsuccessful book pushing 9/11 conspiracy theories.aggiehawg said:And that is relevant how? Are you just going to dismiss every thing Favorito has said and done for years prior to Trump even coming down the escalator in 2015? Favorito's motives for working towards election integrity have nothing to do with Trump, per se. He wants clean transparent elections. The fact that Trump happened to be the one affected in 2020, is a sidenote.TXAggie2011 said:While Favorito has been around before Trump started running for office, Favorito is certainly "a Trumper" who has spoken on stage at multiple Trump campaign rallies.Quote:
And for anyone who does not know who Garland Favorito is, he's been doing election integrity work in Georgia for years. Not a Trumper. Those press releases are relevant to the charges specific to what Trump said about the results in Georgia. Court cases over 2020 are still pending there.
As I acknowledged, he's been yelling at clouds since before Trump but he's absolutely attached himself at the hip to the Trump campaign.
Susan Voyles in Fulton County, GA.Quote:
Do you, or anyone else, have an explanation for the multiple boxes of apparently unfolded ballots that were identical with Biden as the only candidate voted for with nearly perfect bubbling of his name? (_Interestingly, can't seem to find anything on that any more by doing a Google search)
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Outstanding Post.Stlkofta said:Ags77 said:
And didn't General Flynn plead guilty ?
Flynn got railroaded into a guilty plea.
The FBI withheld evidence that would have given Flynn a valid reason to believe he would be exonerated from the charges.
Then, after failing to provide the evidence to Flynn, they threatened his son with prosecution.
https://www.cato.org/blog/two-things-nearly-everyone-gets-wrong-about-michael-flynn-caseQuote:
It has been reported, credibly in my judgment, that the stalemate was brought to a head when the SCO leaked to certain reporters that a guilty plea from Flynn would ensure that Flynn's son, who was under investigation as Flynn senior's business partner (and also happened to be the father of Flynn senior's fourmonthold grandchild) would not be prosecuted. This is the sort of despicable tactic one associates with tyrants and dictators; but to our infinite discredit, it appears to have become a routine feature of American prosecutions as well.
This was a power play to get the father to plead guilty.
AG Barr realized the game being played here and dropped the charges against Flynn, only to have Democrat Judge Sullivan step in and attempt to enforce the ill-gotten guilty plea. Issue was only settled by Trump's pardon of Flynn.
After years of Piss Tape Prophets, Steele Dossiers, and FISA Court fraud, how on earth can you trust anything that comes out of the Department of Justice or the FBI when it comes to Trump?
The poster above is correct. If a Democratic president conspired to retain the presidency against the results of the election, you guys that are giving a complete pass to Trump would be calling for the Democrat's head.
Luckily Trump is not very smart and not very skilled and surrounds himself with corrupt idiots who are also not skilled and smart, so he was unable to pull it off.
Luckily Trump is not very smart and not very skilled and surrounds himself with corrupt idiots who are also not skilled and smart, so he was unable to pull it off.
According to who? Those bringing the charges are either part of the Biden administration or were connected to Biden/Obama. And given how corrupt the current administration is, we have no way of knowing Trump committed any crimes other than their word...which doesn't seem very credible.Watermelon Man said:
Well, yes, he is those things.
In addition, it appears that he has committed several crimes. We won't know for sure until the trials are concluded
Just like the impeachment hearings the talking point is "Well we won't know for sure until it's concluded"
Then we things conclude and there's no guilty verdict, they move on to the next "Well we won't know for sure until it's concluded". On and on and on.
What do we have that's actually credible? Nothing. It's just political theater.
The guy that took election cases to the SCOTUS and won his case is a fringe conspiracy theorist? Who won his case on standing in the Georgia state supreme court too?Quote:
Favorito is a fringe, conspiracy theorist, who occasionally gets attention from other fringe, conspiracy theorists and whose work has never accomplished anything. He's a product of the internet age when anyone can start a website. Before moving to election integrity, he wrote an unsuccessful book pushing 9/11 conspiracy theories.
As I acknowledged, he's been yelling at clouds since before Trump but he's absolutely attached himself at the hip to the Trump campaign.
Now ifFavorito was out there alone making assertions, you might have a point albeit a small one but the huge number of witnesses, experts, etc. he produces in court debunk that.
It was one of his cases before Judge Amero's court wherein issues with the absentee ballots in Fulton County presented enough evidence to convince him to orally order a higher resolution scan of them, only to inexplicably dismiss the case a few weeks later. A decision that was appealed and has now been reinstated.
Trump never conspired to stay in office, he complained very publicly about the results and sued.Quote:
If a Democratic president conspired to retain the presidency against the results of the election, you guys that are giving a complete pass to Trump would be calling for the Democrat's head.
But ironically, you and other Dem goalies give Obama a pass for allowing the spying on the Trump campaign in 2016 and Biden for using his DOJ to prosecute his top political opponent for the 2024 election.
Trump can be easily convicted of "crimes" in DC, and we still won't know for sure.Watermelon Man said:Well, yes, he is those things.Gigem314 said:So Donald Trump is combative, vindictive, short-tempered, arrogant, likes to sue, and holds grudges. None of those things are crimes.Watermelon Man said:[MUST WATCH* 10 minutes of Democrats denying election results.]aggiehawg said:MUST WATCH🚨 10 minutes of Democrats denying election results.
— KanekoaTheGreat (@KanekoaTheGreat) August 2, 2023
Democrats objected to the certification of presidential elections in 2000, 2004, and 2016.
Will Joe Biden, Merrick Garland, and Jack Smith arrest these Democrats who made false statements and denied these elections?… pic.twitter.com/fgTz18v5re
All this shows is that in prior elections, the losing party knew how to question and object to election results. They also knew when to give up after legal avenues had been exhausted, something the Donald seems to be unaware is even a possibility.
In addition, it appears that he has committed several crimes. We won't know for sure until the trials are concluded (or, he takes a plea, but I don't see a combative, vindictive, short-tempered, arrogant orangeman who likes to sue and hold grudges doing that. If he was going to do that, he could have just conceded like all of those Democrats did in the video clip.)
The Biden DOJ, The Obama judge, and a DC jury in what at it's core is a political prosecution is no different than a 60's era prosecution of a black man on a cooked-up crime in Mississippi. The outcome is predetermined.
But you knew that already, didn't you?
Yes -- because the Democrat would ACTUALLY try that because they have no principles other than retaining power at any cost.shiftyandquick said:
The poster above is correct. If a Democratic president conspired to retain the presidency against the results of the election, you guys that are giving a complete pass to Trump would be calling for the Democrat's head.
Luckily Trump is not very smart and not very skilled and surrounds himself with corrupt idiots who are also not skilled and smart, so he was unable to pull it off.
Yeah .... based on your posting history.... I can see you are fair and unbiased.......shiftyandquick said:
The poster above is correct. If a Democratic president conspired to retain the presidency against the results of the election, you guys that are giving a complete pass to Trump would be calling for the Democrat's head.
Luckily Trump is not very smart and not very skilled and surrounds himself with corrupt idiots who are also not skilled and smart, so he was unable to pull it off.
Favorito has not won cases at SCOTUS.aggiehawg said:The guy that took election cases to the SCOTUS and won his case is a fringe conspiracy theorist? Who won his case on standing in the Georgia state supreme court too?Quote:
Favorito is a fringe, conspiracy theorist, who occasionally gets attention from other fringe, conspiracy theorists and whose work has never accomplished anything. He's a product of the internet age when anyone can start a website. Before moving to election integrity, he wrote an unsuccessful book pushing 9/11 conspiracy theories.
As I acknowledged, he's been yelling at clouds since before Trump but he's absolutely attached himself at the hip to the Trump campaign.
Now ifFavorito was out there alone making assertions, you might have a point albeit a small one but the huge number of witnesses, experts, etc. he produces in court debunk that.
It was one of his cases before Judge Amero's court wherein issues with the absentee ballots in Fulton County presented enough evidence to convince him to orally order a higher resolution scan of them, only to inexplicably dismiss the case a few weeks later. A decision that was appealed and has now been reinstated.
Yes, he did win a Georgia state court appeal saying he had standing as a resident of Fulton County to sue over Fulton County's election. That doesn't mean anything as to his underlying substantive claims.
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Harvard Law Professor Emeritus Alan Dershowitz predicted Tuesday on Fox News Channel's "Hannity" that the Supreme Court would overrule a conviction of former President Donald Trump for his alleged attempts to overturn the 2020 election.
Discussing the indictment, Dershowitz said, "They claim that Donald Trump actually believed that he lost the election. That everything he did was fraudulent. That he conspired with un named lawyers mostly."
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He continued, "I read the indictment carefully. There is no smoking gun. There is no one who is credibly prepared to testify that Donald Trump said to him, I know personally, I lost the election. There is a lot of evidence a lot people told me he lost the election but you know Donald Trump and you ,know he will make up his own mind. And they'll have a very hard time proving it. District of Columbia, so 90 percent of the jury pool voted against him. So, they may actually get a conviction from a D.C. jury but will survive appellate review and review in the Supreme Court? I don not think so."
Dershowitz added, "I think he may lose in the states court of appeals for the D.C. Circuit, but I think he will probably win appeals the United States Supreme Court if they grant review and they should grant review."
Politically motivated and unconstitutional. Jack Smith following his standard MO.
aggiehawg said:The guy that took election cases to the SCOTUS and won his case is a fringe conspiracy theorist? Who won his case on standing in the Georgia state supreme court too?Quote:
Favorito is a fringe, conspiracy theorist, who occasionally gets attention from other fringe, conspiracy theorists and whose work has never accomplished anything. He's a product of the internet age when anyone can start a website. Before moving to election integrity, he wrote an unsuccessful book pushing 9/11 conspiracy theories.
As I acknowledged, he's been yelling at clouds since before Trump but he's absolutely attached himself at the hip to the Trump campaign.
Now ifFavorito was out there alone making assertions, you might have a point albeit a small one but the huge number of witnesses, experts, etc. he produces in court debunk that.
It was one of his cases before Judge Amero's court wherein issues with the absentee ballots in Fulton County presented enough evidence to convince him to orally order a higher resolution scan of them, only to inexplicably dismiss the case a few weeks later. A decision that was appealed and has now been reinstated.
Aggiehawg just steam rolled over poor txaggie2011, then put it in reverse to make a point. Facts 1 - 0 feelings 0.
All the people crying that a former president has never been indicted are likewise saying to prosecute a sitting president.
What you say, Paper Champion? I'm gonna beat you like a dog, a dog, you hear me!
Aggiehawg is better at making stuff up than I am. I will admit as much and live to see another day.texagbeliever said:Aggiehawg just steam rolled over poor txaggie2011, then put it in reverse to make a point. Facts 1 - 0 feelings 0.aggiehawg said:The guy that took election cases to the SCOTUS and won his case is a fringe conspiracy theorist? Who won his case on standing in the Georgia state supreme court too?Quote:
Favorito is a fringe, conspiracy theorist, who occasionally gets attention from other fringe, conspiracy theorists and whose work has never accomplished anything. He's a product of the internet age when anyone can start a website. Before moving to election integrity, he wrote an unsuccessful book pushing 9/11 conspiracy theories.
As I acknowledged, he's been yelling at clouds since before Trump but he's absolutely attached himself at the hip to the Trump campaign.
Now ifFavorito was out there alone making assertions, you might have a point albeit a small one but the huge number of witnesses, experts, etc. he produces in court debunk that.
It was one of his cases before Judge Amero's court wherein issues with the absentee ballots in Fulton County presented enough evidence to convince him to orally order a higher resolution scan of them, only to inexplicably dismiss the case a few weeks later. A decision that was appealed and has now been reinstated.
oooh. a cnn watcher. clearly an expert know-it-all and should definitely lecture everyone beneath him who doesn't support full on marxism because it will work this time.Quote:
Favorito is a fringe, conspiracy theorist, who occasionally gets attention from other fringe, conspiracy theorists and whose work has never accomplished anything.
TXAggie2011 said:Aggiehawg is better at making stuff up than I am. I will admit as much and live to see another day.texagbeliever said:Aggiehawg just steam rolled over poor txaggie2011, then put it in reverse to make a point. Facts 1 - 0 feelings 0.aggiehawg said:The guy that took election cases to the SCOTUS and won his case is a fringe conspiracy theorist? Who won his case on standing in the Georgia state supreme court too?Quote:
Favorito is a fringe, conspiracy theorist, who occasionally gets attention from other fringe, conspiracy theorists and whose work has never accomplished anything. He's a product of the internet age when anyone can start a website. Before moving to election integrity, he wrote an unsuccessful book pushing 9/11 conspiracy theories.
As I acknowledged, he's been yelling at clouds since before Trump but he's absolutely attached himself at the hip to the Trump campaign.
Now ifFavorito was out there alone making assertions, you might have a point albeit a small one but the huge number of witnesses, experts, etc. he produces in court debunk that.
It was one of his cases before Judge Amero's court wherein issues with the absentee ballots in Fulton County presented enough evidence to convince him to orally order a higher resolution scan of them, only to inexplicably dismiss the case a few weeks later. A decision that was appealed and has now been reinstated.
Keep staring at the shadows on the wall. Whatever you do don't turn around.
Judge Amero essentially said "I'm throwing your case out but Georgia law says ballots are public record so sure, I'll order them to be scanned and available to the public."Quote:
It was one of his cases before Judge Amero's court wherein issues with the absentee ballots in Fulton County presented enough evidence to convince him to orally order a higher resolution scan of them, only to inexplicably dismiss the case a few weeks later. A decision that was appealed and has now been reinstated.
I'm sure you tell great stories about fishing trips.
the regime bending over backwards to find and make up crimes for someone they don't like while at the same time bending over backwards to cover up actual bribery and corruption for the empty suit they installed does bother me just a little bit. it's all becoming circular references at this point. the censorship and propagating a phony "intel" letter to cover up proof of biden's corruption changed election results in the joke of an election and the president exploring possible remedies for sham elections is what they're going to imprison him for.The Green Dragon said:
All the people crying that a former president has never been indicted are likewise saying to prosecute a sitting president.
The most chilling part in this indictment for me? The one guy tells Jeffrey Clark "If you Overturn this election, there will be riots in every American city". Clark says " That's why we have the Insurrection Act."
There. Trump wanted violence. He and his Brownshirts would have thrown out my vote for Biden. My right to vote? A right that I secured for myself and every other American through my Military Service? You damn right I would have been out in the streets protesting AS I HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO. And then Trump and his Flying MAGA Monkeys would have happily had the US Military come out and shoot me.
Sorry Folks, but I take that awful personal.
There. Trump wanted violence. He and his Brownshirts would have thrown out my vote for Biden. My right to vote? A right that I secured for myself and every other American through my Military Service? You damn right I would have been out in the streets protesting AS I HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO. And then Trump and his Flying MAGA Monkeys would have happily had the US Military come out and shoot me.
Sorry Folks, but I take that awful personal.
Did you actually watch that evidentiary hearing? I did. And the lawyer representing Fulton County was in on zoom and had no objection to the higher resolution scans and participated in the ways the court and the plaintiffs could make that happen. The only objection raised and granted by the court involved scanning the signature blocks on the envelopes.TheAngelFlight said:Judge Amero essentially said "I'm throwing your case out but Georgia law says ballots are public record so sure, I'll order them to be scanned and available to the public."Quote:
It was one of his cases before Judge Amero's court wherein issues with the absentee ballots in Fulton County presented enough evidence to convince him to orally order a higher resolution scan of them, only to inexplicably dismiss the case a few weeks later. A decision that was appealed and has now been reinstated.
I'm sure you tell great stories about fishing trips.
On the now memory holed 2020 election day thread, I commented live during that hearing, including the fields of the various experts who testified and their resumes. A few had worked at DOD.
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