I saw a documentary once where a US nuclear aircraft carrier just let Pearl Harbor happen.
The latest "proof" from a 9/11 conspiracy friend
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New World Ag said:You think the Democrats wouldn't want to pin the greatest crime against the US on Bush and the GOP?RockTXAggie said:New World Ag said:
Sure, why not? I did when it came out years ago. It's a good read that made my blood boil and eyes water.
It was a bipartisan commission. But since you think it was an "inside job", then you must believe that the Democrats went along with Evil George's plan. Well, at least that proves bipartisanship is still around!
Both parties are chock full of evil people, including the Bush family.
And then we learned the Bush family are not who we thought they were. Daddy Bush even voted for Hillary.
They all are part of the Swamp Party
Anyway I thought it was weird at the time how GW Bush gave full authority for the expedited return of many Saudi and other Middle Easterners almost immediately. They said it was because of possible fear of retaliation against them. Yet nobody even knew the full extent of anything at the time. Meanwhile our president allows many just to return leaving our country.
I have no idea on everything but I will never buy that Building 7 fell because of the WTC collapse.
waitwhat? said:
To be clear what I'm saying is that your government lies to you on a regular basis and some people are too foolish to recognize it. They've been hooked by the media's mockery of those that recognize the intent of powerful people as folks that wear tinfoil hats.
Fools. Absolute fools.
So-called 9/11 truthers are idiots. But that isn't to say that a) the government didn't fail miserably in the events that led up to 9/11 and b) that the 9/11 Commission, or whatever it was called, wasn't a whitewash (or didn't have some elements of it) to protect those who's reputations would have been ruined by exposing the failures in a). You can also argue, with a little less persuasion, that the commission was used as a pretext for war, but I don't think a pretext was needed. We WERE attacked, after all.
People that believe in 9-11 and people that believe that covid wasn't a bioweapon are the same people .
Building 7 burned down, but assuming it hadn't, but I'm curious what exactly do you think could have been gained by blowing it up 8 hours later?Quote:
I have no idea on everything but I will never buy that Building 7 fell because of the WTC collapse.
JJxvi said:Building 7 burned down, but assuming it hadn't, but I'm curious what exactly do you think could have been gained by blowing it up 8 hours later?Quote:
I have no idea on everything but I will never buy that Building 7 fell because of the WTC collapse.
Does it really matter what was to gain? I have no idea. I don't believe a 47 floor building "burned down" and looked like that.
Wow! I had no idea Alex Jones posted on TexAgs, let alone that he has so many socks.
The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left. Ecclesiastes 10:2
AGHouston11 said:JJxvi said:Building 7 burned down, but assuming it hadn't, but I'm curious what exactly do you think could have been gained by blowing it up 8 hours later?Quote:
I have no idea on everything but I will never buy that Building 7 fell because of the WTC collapse.
Does it really matter what was to gain? I have no idea. I don't believe a 47 floor building "burned down" and looked like that.
Just because you dont believe it doesnt mean it isnt true.
CanyonAg77 said:Never mind it was on fire for hours and hoursQuote:
Building 7 just happened to fall perfectly on its own
Over 8 hours, because the internal sprinkler system was damaged and the area water pressure was damaged as a result of the two largest buildings in the world unconrollably collapsing.
8 plus hours of uncontrolled fire inside a stone clad high rise. And, shockingly the steel finally reached a point it could no longer suppirt millions of pounds of static and dynamic loads.
But naww....conspiracy!
I guess WTC 7 was needed just in case the populace didn't grasp the enormity of the WTC 1 and 2 craters so I guess they wired it to blow it up and really ram it home to make sure we could invade Iraq. Then I guess they forgot to hit the button for a long time.
And the mechanical section was close to the core support structures. It was an emergency command center, with generators and who knows how many gallons of diesel to run them, located there. So there was another fuel fire that increases temps. Steel doesn't have to melt, it just needs to stretch or expand and the loads are not distributed as designed.schmellba99 said:CanyonAg77 said:Never mind it was on fire for hours and hoursQuote:
Building 7 just happened to fall perfectly on its own
Over 8 hours, because the internal sprinkler system was damaged and the area water pressure was damaged as a result of the two largest buildings in the world unconrollably collapsing.
8 plus hours of uncontrolled fire inside a stone clad high rise. And, shockingly the steel finally reached a point it could no longer suppirt millions of pounds of static and dynamic loads.
But naww....conspiracy!
When load distribution gets out of whack, crap happens.
I remember when the 9/11 government terrorists struck again a few years ago and brought down that condo in Miami…
So where do Fauci and Hunter Biden fit in?
The genset fuel probably didnt have a lot to do with the collapse. The fire for days after though, it certainly did.
That building was a weird design because the groundand secondfloor - or what would have been - had to be built over an existing power generation station. Very abnormal structual design, the building being tapezoidal shape added an additional dimension.
Steel is very strong...but starts to deflect at surprisingly low temps, loses its flexural strength earlier than you think.
That building was a weird design because the groundand secondfloor - or what would have been - had to be built over an existing power generation station. Very abnormal structual design, the building being tapezoidal shape added an additional dimension.
Steel is very strong...but starts to deflect at surprisingly low temps, loses its flexural strength earlier than you think.
RockTXAggie said:
You know what else is a "bipartisan issue"? Molesting children. Wake me up when the Epstein Island perp walks start to happen.
It was proven in court. Ghislane Maxwell was was found guilty of heading up Epstein's child sex trafficking operation that was trafficking children to no one.
Agree there were very abnormal issues with that particular building. But had it been a fire in just that building, would have been quite different as FDNY could have responded.schmellba99 said:
The genset fuel probably didnt have a lot to do with the collapse. The fire for days after though, it certainly did.
That building was a weird design because the groundand secondfloor - or what would have been - had to be built over an existing power generation station. Very abnormal structual design, the building being tapezoidal shape added an additional dimension.
Steel is very strong...but starts to deflect at surprisingly low temps, loses its flexural strength earlier than you think.
That day, they could not. And the damage to the foundation after the Towers fell? So hard to really understand with the water tables from the Hudson.
schmellba99 said:AGHouston11 said:JJxvi said:Building 7 burned down, but assuming it hadn't, but I'm curious what exactly do you think could have been gained by blowing it up 8 hours later?Quote:
I have no idea on everything but I will never buy that Building 7 fell because of the WTC collapse.
Does it really matter what was to gain? I have no idea. I don't believe a 47 floor building "burned down" and looked like that.
Just because you dont believe it doesnt mean it isnt true.
No kidding
But just because you say it did or the government says it did doesn't mean that's the way it actually happened
Gyles Marrett said:
Unless someone can factually prove a conspiracy was wrong with evidence I don't doubt peoples conspiracies anymore after the last 2 years.
Actual humans SAW the plane fly over, low to the ground, and hit the Pentagon. Had a friend, late to a meeting in the exact side that was hit, who saw it fly over his head while he was still in his car, on the road.
The Vegas shooter was actually completely believable.RockTXAggie said:Oh man don't get me started on the sheer impossibility of what that guy supposedly pulled off.Raiderjay said:
I am no conspiracy theorist, but I don't believe anything told to us about the Vegas shooter.....
I brought my newly purchased AR-15 into the Vegas casino I stayed at in March 2018.
Shooting well within the effective range of the weaponry and spraying the area containing thousands of concert goers and only hitting hundreds. Totally believable.
But why? That's the only questionable part.
As a former co-worker of mine who grew up in Beirut said - with Terrorism, there doesn't have to be a reason.
They were 767s and probably closer to 500 mph.BadMoonRisin said:
Any ideas how WTC7 "got pulled"? Or a logical reason why it might have fallen down in the first place?
Sorry, being on fire doesnt make buildings collapse, except for the two that fell a few hours prior.
Those, at least, had to bear the brunt of 747's crashing into them at 400Mph. Building 7? Uhhh...there was some debris that fell onto it. So thats why it came down.
If you want to talk about "Home Run" and the fact Lufthansa didn't purchase any 757s or 767s, that's a fun rathole to pursue.
I can vouch for the OP having friends.Repeat the Line said:
9/11 conspiracy is more plausible than OP having a friend.
Some of them are lunatics but yes, he does have friends.
The thing I find most surprising is that people actually believe that there could be a conspiracy of the magnitude of 911 and everyone kept quiet. That's not how the world works.
Stat Monitor Repairman said:
People that believe in 9-11 and people that believe that covid wasn't a bioweapon are the same people .
Great. What, exactly, do you think happened on 9/11 then? Just try one theory.
BigRobSA said:Gyles Marrett said:
Unless someone can factually prove a conspiracy was wrong with evidence I don't doubt peoples conspiracies anymore after the last 2 years.
Actual humans SAW the plane fly over, low to the ground, and hit the Pentagon. Had a friend, late to a meeting in the exact side that was hit, who saw it fly over his head while he was still in his car, on the road.
Clearly they were in on it too /RockTXAggie
Stat Monitor Repairman said:
People that believe in 9-11 and people that believe that covid wasn't a bioweapon are the same people .
Most people that believe 9-11 was a conspiracy are people who unironically believe that Jews were behind it.
Just some Tower 7 facts.
1. BBC and others reported that Tower 7 had fallen about 20 minutes BEFORE it fell.
2. Videos showed cops and firemen warning people to get away because Tower 7 was coming down. I've seen the videos, but they're hard to find now.
3. Owner of WTC said that because of loss of life on 9/11, they decided to "pull it" (Tower 7).
4. Tower 7 was ignored in first NIST report. Over a year later, due to uproar, they added Tower 7 to the report, saying the tower collapsed due to office fires.
The Truther movement was not started as a whim by hippies or lunatics or meth addicts. It was started by family members of victims of 9/11 who were looking for answers and didn't believe the official story.
The government that told us what happened on 9/11 is the same government the gave us the covid response and the 2020 election.
You wonder why the Bush's and Cheney's are so anti-Trump? Trump is not in the Club and was a huge threat to the Club.
The Club is evil and has been for a long time, and it includes Democrats and Republicans.
1. BBC and others reported that Tower 7 had fallen about 20 minutes BEFORE it fell.
2. Videos showed cops and firemen warning people to get away because Tower 7 was coming down. I've seen the videos, but they're hard to find now.
3. Owner of WTC said that because of loss of life on 9/11, they decided to "pull it" (Tower 7).
4. Tower 7 was ignored in first NIST report. Over a year later, due to uproar, they added Tower 7 to the report, saying the tower collapsed due to office fires.
The Truther movement was not started as a whim by hippies or lunatics or meth addicts. It was started by family members of victims of 9/11 who were looking for answers and didn't believe the official story.
The government that told us what happened on 9/11 is the same government the gave us the covid response and the 2020 election.
You wonder why the Bush's and Cheney's are so anti-Trump? Trump is not in the Club and was a huge threat to the Club.
The Club is evil and has been for a long time, and it includes Democrats and Republicans.
New World Ag said:Unfortunately, I have another friend who turned out to be a flat Earth quack. The sad thing is that both are Ags.buda91 said:
Cannot be true. Missiles don't work because earth is flat.
I have a friend that believes the earth has been rapidly heating and it because of too much C02 from our cars. That we need to tax our country more and send those dollars to other countries so that they can continue to grow their economies with regular and cheap sources of energy. He went to Kansas.
All of the major 9/11 conspiracies are pretty easy to debunk. A good summary is in this 90 min video.
specifically want to highlight shorter clips parts that really highlight the key conspiracies that some people on this board seem to believe in:
Did the towers fall at freefall? NO.
How did WTC7 collapse? Damage from debris from the world trade centers in combination with uncontrolled fire for 8 hours.
What hit the Pentagon? An American Airlines Boeing 757. There is actually a single still footage that shows the tail of the aircraft. Plenty of debris found on site. Etc.
Just because you believe in something counter cultural does not inherently make it true. While it's good to have a healthy skepticism of what the government says from time to time, there is a distinct difference between this healthy skepticism and simply believing the opposite of what the government says just because they said it. None of the major conspiracy theories even remotely pass the litmus test.
specifically want to highlight shorter clips parts that really highlight the key conspiracies that some people on this board seem to believe in:
Did the towers fall at freefall? NO.
How did WTC7 collapse? Damage from debris from the world trade centers in combination with uncontrolled fire for 8 hours.
What hit the Pentagon? An American Airlines Boeing 757. There is actually a single still footage that shows the tail of the aircraft. Plenty of debris found on site. Etc.
Just because you believe in something counter cultural does not inherently make it true. While it's good to have a healthy skepticism of what the government says from time to time, there is a distinct difference between this healthy skepticism and simply believing the opposite of what the government says just because they said it. None of the major conspiracy theories even remotely pass the litmus test.
RockTXAggie said:Rapier108 said:2001 camera tech (actually probably mid-1990s) vs. 2022 camera tech.RockTXAggie said:TexasAggie_02 said:
the pentagon is effing huge, it's a quarter-mile across. the big white blur in that video that they claim is a "missile" is an airplane taken on video with a ****ty frame rate. If it had been a missile, it would have been really hard to see on that quality of video.
My ADT home security has a better frame rate than the Pentagon. That's sick.
Do you really believe the United States government uses the same technology as the general public? I think it's pretty safe to say they are AT LEAST a decade ahead of the rest of society.
I served 23 years in the military. I was often astounded at the cheap outdated crap that we used. Y'all watch too many movies.
I tend to view people who believe conspiracy theories to be pretty much lacking in intelligence.
blacksox said:
The thing I find most surprising is that people actually believe that there could be a conspiracy of the magnitude of 911 and everyone kept quiet. That's not how the world works.
Look, I'm not a believer in these 9/11 conspiracies. What we've learned over the past two years is that you don't have to keep people quiet. You have to keep enough of the population believing that those people are conspiracy theorists. Most people don't actually examine the information they are presented. They don't apply logic and reason to the full body of the text. Headlines are good enough. People who question facts are often shouted down, as they have by some within this very thread. For the record, I do think it's possible for 9/11 to have been a terrorist attack and also have our government lie to us about the details uncovered within the investigation. There may even be a good reason for them to have done so.
RockTXAggie said:TexasAggie_02 said:
the pentagon is effing huge, it's a quarter-mile across. the big white blur in that video that they claim is a "missile" is an airplane taken on video with a ****ty frame rate. If it had been a missile, it would have been really hard to see on that quality of video.
I'm merely saying the totality of all the events don't add up to me. We can dissect each individual occurrence from that day but the fact is ALL of these events happened on the same day with precision. The undertaking of all of those events is daunting when you think about it.
It doesn't add up because you don't want it to.
If you say you hate the state of politics in this nation and you don't get involved in it, you obviously don't hate the state of politics in this nation.
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The government that told us what happened on 9/11 is the same government the gave us the covid response and the 2020 election.
By your logic, it's the same government that gave us the Constitution and the 13th Amendment.
If you say you hate the state of politics in this nation and you don't get involved in it, you obviously don't hate the state of politics in this nation.
Snowdog, have you taken the time to watch the video link posted earlier? Here's the first one of 7.snowdog90 said:
Just some Tower 7 facts.
1. BBC and others reported that Tower 7 had fallen about 20 minutes BEFORE it fell.
2. Videos showed cops and firemen warning people to get away because Tower 7 was coming down. I've seen the videos, but they're hard to find now.
3. Owner of WTC said that because of loss of life on 9/11, they decided to "pull it" (Tower 7).
4. Tower 7 was ignored in first NIST report. Over a year later, due to uproar, they added Tower 7 to the report, saying the tower collapsed due to office fires.
The Truther movement was not started as a whim by hippies or lunatics or meth addicts. It was started by family members of victims of 9/11 who were looking for answers and didn't believe the official story.
The government that told us what happened on 9/11 is the same government the gave us the covid response and the 2020 election.
You wonder why the Bush's and Cheney's are so anti-Trump? Trump is not in the Club and was a huge threat to the Club.
The Club is evil and has been for a long time, and it includes Democrats and Republicans.
plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
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