Astros 2015/2016 Offseason Thread

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iBrad
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10:22a, 12/3/15
So for Conger, we gave up Carlos Perez and Nick Tropeano, both of whom contributed for the Angels last year, and now we trade him for cash? I think it's safe to call that trade a bust. We either really like Max Stassi and Tyler Heineman, or plan on bringing in a catcher.

As for Valbuena, he hit six home runs from July through October. I would expect him to hit around 15 next year if given the same number of ABs.
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shano0603
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10:25a, 12/3/15
Remember this.. There were only 6 major league starting catchers last year who hit .250 or above. One of which was Posey who plays first base a lot.

I would love to see us make a play for Stephen Vogt.
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Houston Summit
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In reply to iBrad • 10:27a, 12/3/15
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So for Conger, we gave up Carlos Perez and Nick Tropeano, both of whom contributed for the Angels last year, and now we trade him for cash? I think it's safe to call that trade a bust. We either really like Max Stassi and Tyler Heineman, or plan on bringing in a catcher.

As for Valbuena, he hit six home runs from July through October. I would expect him to hit around 15 next year if given the same number of ABs.
Not to mention we also gave up Jacob Nottingham in the Kazmir deal, and so far he has put up big numbers at every level he's been at
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10:28a, 12/3/15
We should sign Tyler Flowers
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Ag_07
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In reply to iBrad • 10:36a, 12/3/15
That's my point on Conger. We gave up decent assets to get him and we got cash considerations back.

And I'm not worried about catcher.

I'm worried about a lineup that includes Valbuena as an everyday 3B (or Duffy) and White/Reed at 1B. I know they're fine MiLB players but it's yet to be seen what they can do as everyday major league players. It's a big roll of the dice. I'm not sure if I like Lowrie and Carter/Valbuena better.

I'd be a lot more comfortable with the rooks manning 1B if we had some reliable production at 3B and DH. This is why we I think 3B or DH has now become our biggest need. If we can find one of those I'll be quite happy with what we've got.
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Sea Gull
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10:58a, 12/3/15
Could've had Kris Bryant manning the hot corner...
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In reply to Ag_07 • 11:14a, 12/3/15
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That's my point on Conger. We gave up decent assets to get him and we got cash considerations back.

And I'm not worried about catcher.

I'm worried about a lineup that includes Valbuena as an everyday 3B (or Duffy) and White/Reed at 1B. I know they're fine MiLB players but it's yet to be seen what they can do as everyday major league players. It's a big roll of the dice. I'm not sure if I like Lowrie and Carter/Valbuena better.

I'd be a lot more comfortable with the rooks manning 1B if we had some reliable production at 3B and DH. This is why we I think 3B or DH has now become our biggest need. If we can find one of those I'll be quite happy with what we've got.
The way I see it is that if White/Reed can bat better than .200 at first base, that is already an improvement over the Carter/Valbuena platoon we had last year. If Valbuena struggles at 3rd, I fully expect either Duffy or Marwin to take over full time duties with Valbuena as the late defensive replacement.
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11:15a, 12/3/15
Part of giving up Perez and Trope is that we cleared room on the 40 man and got something fr them (even though it's now just cash), while knowing that neither was the future nor was going to have a spot on last year's or thid years team. Trop is a starter, and we had Lance, Vince, Appel, and numerous others more talented right on his tail.

Perez was a defense first catcher and we had numerous others that could fill that role.

That wasn't a bad trade as it likely helped us keep players on the 40 man who we would have lost.
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11:20a, 12/3/15
Who would y'all rather see playing 3B

Marwin or Valbuena

I'd much rather see Marwin considering their 2nd halfs

Marwin is only 26 years old, and getting better every year, Valbuena is over 30

Defense is a wash
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Basketball and Chain
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In reply to Ag_07 • 11:21a, 12/3/15
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That's my point on Conger. We gave up decent assets to get him and we got cash considerations back.

And I'm not worried about catcher.

I'm worried about a lineup that includes Valbuena as an everyday 3B (or Duffy) and White/Reed at 1B. I know they're fine MiLB players but it's yet to be seen what they can do as everyday major league players. It's a big roll of the dice. I'm not sure if I like Lowrie and Carter/Valbuena better.

I'd be a lot more comfortable with the rooks manning 1B if we had some reliable production at 3B and DH. This is why we I think 3B or DH has now become our biggest need. If we can find one of those I'll be quite happy with what we've got.

If Luhnow wasn't just completely full of **** in his most recent update on the direction of the team, he should have full backing to aggressively pursue a legit 1b, 3b and closer. We also need to re-sign Kazmir or an equivalent starter.

We're probably sitting with $60-65 million in salary commitments right now. This is the year to start spending and go compete for a championship.

There's no need for us to rely on an unproven rookie to man a starting position at this point. we (should) have more money than holes to fill this year. If a guy like reed or white breaks through in spring training or mid-season then that's just a bonus and we can re-structure the roster then.
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In reply to Sea Gull • 11:24a, 12/3/15
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Could've had Kris Bryant manning the hot corner...
quit talking about that
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Basketball and Chain
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In reply to astros4545 • 11:27a, 12/3/15
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Who would y'all rather see playing 3B

Marwin or Valbuena

I'd much rather see Marwin considering their 2nd halfs

Marwin is only 26 years old, and getting better every year, Valbuena is over 30

Defense is a wash

In a perfect world, we would acquire a legit 1B and/or 3B and Marwin would platoon and/or be a utility guy.
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In reply to Basketball and Chain • 11:29a, 12/3/15
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That's my point on Conger. We gave up decent assets to get him and we got cash considerations back.

And I'm not worried about catcher.

I'm worried about a lineup that includes Valbuena as an everyday 3B (or Duffy) and White/Reed at 1B. I know they're fine MiLB players but it's yet to be seen what they can do as everyday major league players. It's a big roll of the dice. I'm not sure if I like Lowrie and Carter/Valbuena better.

I'd be a lot more comfortable with the rooks manning 1B if we had some reliable production at 3B and DH. This is why we I think 3B or DH has now become our biggest need. If we can find one of those I'll be quite happy with what we've got.

If Luhnow wasn't just completely full of **** in his most recent update on the direction of the team, he should have full backing to aggressively pursue a legit 1b, 3b and closer. We also need to re-sign Kazmir or an equivalent starter.

We're probably sitting with $60-65 million in salary commitments right now. This is the year to start spending and go compete for a championship.

There's no need for us to rely on an unproven rookie to man a starting position at this point. we (should) have more money than holes to fill this year. If a guy like reed or white breaks through in spring training or mid-season then that's just a bonus and we can re-structure the roster then.
It is easy to say they should aggressively pursue a legit 1b or 3b but that does not mean that any are available or for a good value either via trade or free agency. Here is a list of current free agents, which one of these 1b or 3b would make you happy? http://www.spotrac.com/mlb/free-agents/ I would rather go with what we have than spending on any of these just to spend.
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Basketball and Chain
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In reply to rosco511 • 11:34a, 12/3/15
Did I say sign one in free agency?

What do we do with VV if we re-sign Kazmir? Keuchel, McHugh, Kazmir, McCullers, Fiers and Feldman are already on the active roster. He's expendable and a nice asset to build a package around.

We've been stockpiling ammo in the minors for years. It's time to use some of those bullets to chase a championship while we have a lot of our core talent at or near league minimum salaries.
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rosco511
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In reply to Basketball and Chain • 11:49a, 12/3/15
You did not say free agency but free agency is the only list of truly available players that we have. I truly believe they would like to make the team better, but similar to spending in free agency, it is not smart to make a trade just for the sake of making it, price still needs to be right. We do not know who is truly available at those positions for a fair or reasonable price. The fact that they do not make a deal does not mean they do not want to compete for a championship or would not really like to add a better and more expensive player to the roster.
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In reply to Basketball and Chain • 11:55a, 12/3/15
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Who would y'all rather see playing 3B

Marwin or Valbuena

I'd much rather see Marwin considering their 2nd halfs

Marwin is only 26 years old, and getting better every year, Valbuena is over 30

Defense is a wash

In a perfect world, we would acquire a legit 1B and/or 3B and Marwin would platoon and/or be a utility guy.
In a perfect world, Reed would come in and hit 30 bombs while hitting around 300
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11:57a, 12/3/15
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So for Conger, we gave up Carlos Perez and Nick Tropeano, both of whom contributed for the Angels last year, and now we trade him for cash? I think it's safe to call that trade a bust.
I think part of the reason for that trade besides a back-up catcher was to keep from losing guys in the Rule 5 draft.
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In reply to Sea Gull • 12:03p, 12/3/15
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I don't ever want to see Tucker playing defense again. I've seen little leaguers with better instincts. I wouldn't mind Valbuena as a pinch hitter type. He's not consistent enough to be an every day starter.


Tucker sucks so hard in the outfield. If he somehow manages to get to the ball in time, his throw to the plate is either off by a lot or noodle armed.
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In reply to mid90 • 12:37p, 12/3/15
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I don't ever want to see Tucker playing defense again. I've seen little leaguers with better instincts. I wouldn't mind Valbuena as a pinch hitter type. He's not consistent enough to be an every day starter.


Tucker sucks so hard in the outfield. If he somehow manages to get to the ball in time, his throw to the plate is either off by a lot or noodle armed.


Let's be fair here

Every throw of his is noodle armed
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Bobby Jimbo
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In reply to shano0603 • 1:47p, 12/3/15
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Who would y'all rather see playing 3B

Marwin or Valbuena

I'd much rather see Marwin considering their 2nd halfs

Marwin is only 26 years old, and getting better every year, Valbuena is over 30

Defense is a wash

In a perfect world, we would acquire a legit 1B and/or 3B and Marwin would platoon and/or be a utility guy.
In a perfect world, Reed would come in and hit 30 bombs while hitting around 300

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iBrad
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In reply to astros4545 • 2:25p, 12/3/15
I think Tucker needs to be our DH. Consider this:

Gattis .246/.285/.463 | 27 HR
Tucker .243/.297/.437 | 13 HR

In about half the ABs and not playing regularly, Tucker was as a productive hitter as Gattis as a rookie. He also had far fewer terrible ABs. I like the caveman, but Tucker is just a better hitter. Gattis is due to make $3M+ in arbitration and is under team control for three more years. Surely someone is interested in him. We don't really need two guys that suck on defense.
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rosco511
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In reply to iBrad • 3:52p, 12/3/15
Even though Tucker's sample size was smaller, his splits against lefties were terrible. I think a platoon of Gattis and Tucker at DH would be good.
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shano0603
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4:07p, 12/3/15
Keep em both and switch them off depending on the pitcher
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Ag_07
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4:16p, 12/3/15
Can we not get better than Gattis and/or Tucker as a DH?

The DH should be the most dependable hitter in the lineup. I wouldn't call either one of those dependable.
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4:24p, 12/3/15
I said it last season, but I think Adam Lind would be a great addition. He's fairly cheap (8 M) and probably cost a mid level prospect or 2. He could play first or DH.
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4:35p, 12/3/15
Tucker has some collegiate experience at first, but Luhnow stated he wouldn't play him there. Seems like the best place for him considering his throws from the OF.
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8:12p, 12/3/15
Did somebody resurrect Vigo?
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10:10p, 12/3/15
No more Conger Dongers or the Robot.
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shano0603
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7:38p, 12/4/15
Greinke just got 6 years/ 206 million from the D-Backs... What is going on
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Sea Gull
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8:10a, 12/5/15
Wow....
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5:02p, 12/6/15
"Heavily pursuing" Aroldis Chapman along with the Dodgers
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In reply to mAgnoliAg • 5:15p, 12/6/15
Please don't give up the farm
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5:23p, 12/6/15
It looks like the dodgers are getting him
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5:24p, 12/6/15
Dodgers shooting for 300 M payroll this year.
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6:28p, 12/6/15
Just give them VV, Tucker, and some random A player and call it a day.
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