Ag Natural said:
Some of yall clearly don't watch much NBA or have not paid any attention at all to the way the Spurs operate. With the style of offense and defense the Spurs want to play there are going to be specific types of players pursued.
This is the greed they talk about in the Bible https://t.co/lj86mjfBbs
— Israel (@iohandles) May 23, 2023
Guitarsoup said:Ag Natural said:
Some of yall clearly don't watch much NBA or have not paid any attention at all to the way the Spurs operate. With the style of offense and defense the Spurs want to play there are going to be specific types of players pursued.
So they Spurs don't want team-first All-Defense, great passing and shooting players?
According to Rafael Barlowe of NBA Big Board, the Spurs are looking to "acquire an additional first-round pick" to address the point guard position. #PorVidahttps://t.co/TDSOtes9uD
— Ty Jäger (@TheTyJager) May 24, 2023
superunknown said:According to Rafael Barlowe of NBA Big Board, the Spurs are looking to "acquire an additional first-round pick" to address the point guard position. #PorVidahttps://t.co/TDSOtes9uD
— Ty Jäger (@TheTyJager) May 24, 2023
Guitarsoup said:
Yeah, doesn't happen much and it's usually stupid expensive
Ray Allen for #5
Deron Williams for #5 (Devin Harris)
Vlade for 13 (Kobe)
Georgie for 15 (Kawhi)
Battier for #8 (Ha! gayyyyyyyyy!)
Suns sold #7 for $3mm and a future first (Deng?)
Atl trades #3 for Shareef and 3 was Pau Gasol
Rockets traded three firsts to move up for Eddie Griffin
So yeah, most of the teams that did it that I can think of did it a long time ago.
Guitarsoup said:
Ray Allen and Deron were both disgruntled and pushed their way out.
I just don't see trading multiple picks for a guy that may or may not be a bust.
Even as good as the Spurs are, lots of boom or bust.
Wesley - who knows. Branham and Sochan look promising.
2021: Primo at 12 was a massive bust. Even before he whipped it out, guys like Trey Murphy, Sengun, and Herbert Jones were way more promising than Primo.
2020: Vassell is good, but he was picked one slot before Tyrese Haliburton. Tyrese Maxey and Desmond Bane were there, too.
2019: Luka Samanic at 19. Awful draft, but we stole Keldon at 29. Do that perfectly and take Keldon at 19 and Nic Claxton at 29 and that's a brilliant draft.
2018: Lonnie Walker. Again, bust.
17: White
16: DeJounte
Both great picks at 29.
2016: Nikola Milutinov. IDK who he is, but we used a 1st on him and he never played in the NBA. Larry Nance, Looney, Josh Richardson, etc all there.
2015: Kyle Anderson. Pretty solid pick, but a fat kid from Serbia was picked after him.
2014: Livio Jean-Charles. We even signed him to a contract and ate the contract before letting him play because he sucked so bad. Currently plays for Moscow.
Really not interest in giving up multiple picks for a crapshoot when we could use multiple picks and get a guy that is proven talent and fits the timeline. We have capspace and lots of assets.
Guitarsoup said:
Primo was developing into a playmaker a bit, but he couldnt put the ball in the bucket and he turned it over all the time. Who knows what he would have been. But even as rookies, Trey and Herbert looked way better.
West Texan said:Guitarsoup said:
Primo was developing into a playmaker a bit, but he couldnt put the ball in the bucket and he turned it over all the time. Who knows what he would have been. But even as rookies, Trey and Herbert looked way better.
I'm still pissed we didn't take Sengun that draft.
Ag Natural said:West Texan said:Guitarsoup said:
Primo was developing into a playmaker a bit, but he couldnt put the ball in the bucket and he turned it over all the time. Who knows what he would have been. But even as rookies, Trey and Herbert looked way better.
I'm still pissed we didn't take Sengun that draft.
I loved Sengun in that draft. But after watching him play he wasn't the right pick. He's not a championship player.
Ag Natural said:
I can't think of a single NBA draft in the last 30 years where someone was able to trade UP into a top 10 pick from outside the lottery range. It just doesn't happen in the NBA.
A few years ago the Suns traded from 16 up to 10 and gave that 16th pick and a future first. So the price of just grabbing a high pick would probably be several future 1sts. I've just never seen anyone pull it off. It's almost like it has to be a team who just doesn't like anyone in the draft or is way above the cap and doesn't want to pay a 1st round rookie that season.
https://theathletic.com/4550522/2023/05/25/rockets-nba-draft-pick-trade-2023/Quote:
Rockets receive: Keldon Johnson
Spurs receive: The No. 4 pick in the 2023 NBA Draft and a 2025 first-round pick (top-3 protected)
Why Houston does this: At first glance, I'd have to think twice if the Rockets would be comfortable with Johnson taking up a third of their available cap space but considering this summer's available crop of wings, Johnson's age and his potential, I could see this phone call being placed. Johnson had the ball in his hands quite a bit in San Antonio but he showcased some legit off-ball potential at times and could be the answer at small forward for a Rockets team that frankly hasn't had one in years. Johnson's contract is front-loaded, meaning Houston's cap hit reduces with every year a valuable tool considering what the 2024 class and the looming TV deal could bring. The only drawback is his wingspan isn't great for his size and he didn't show much defensively last season but that might be more of San Antonio's general nastiness more so than his own ability and potential.
Law Murray: The San Antonio Spurs got Keldon Johnson as part of the Kawhi Leonard-DeMar DeRozan trade, sent by the Toronto Raptors in the 2018 offseason as a future first-round pick. That selection wound up being 29th overall in 2019. Johnson is a Spurs developmental success story, going from being a 2018 McDonald's All-American and one-and-done starter at Kentucky to a player who earned a four-year rookie scale extension last year. This past season, Johnson showed his full offensive game, averaging 22.0 points (5.2 free throw attempts per game), 2.9 assists (2.1 turnovers), and 2.1 3s while shooting 45.2/32.9/74.9.
Johnson's extension kicks in next season, the start of the Victor Wembanyama era. In this trade, the Spurs lose their leading scorer from their 60-loss team. But not only do they get to add another top-five pick to go with Wembanyama, they'll be betting on the Rockets to add to their first-round selections in two years as well, giving the Spurs another draft asset right as their rebuild should just about be over. As good as Johnson is now, there may be a higher ceiling for one of Scoot Henderson, Brandon Miller, Cam Whitmore, Amen Thompson, Ausar Thompson, Taylor Hendricks, or Anthony Black. Whitmore, in particular, has a similar profile to Johnson when Johnson was draft eligible. The Spurs don't have to go the route of replacing Johnson with the Houston pick, however, and could improve their wing and playmaking with one of the Thompson twins or if Henderson or Miller unexpectedly drop to No. 4. Either way, I'm making this deal if I'm San Antonio.
OKC controls the Rockets' pick from one of Daryl Morey's awful trades.LawHall88 said:
Trade proposal from The Athletic:https://theathletic.com/4550522/2023/05/25/rockets-nba-draft-pick-trade-2023/Quote:
Rockets receive: Keldon Johnson
Spurs receive: The No. 4 pick in the 2023 NBA Draft and a 2025 first-round pick (top-3 protected)
Why Houston does this: At first glance, I'd have to think twice if the Rockets would be comfortable with Johnson taking up a third of their available cap space but considering this summer's available crop of wings, Johnson's age and his potential, I could see this phone call being placed. Johnson had the ball in his hands quite a bit in San Antonio but he showcased some legit off-ball potential at times and could be the answer at small forward for a Rockets team that frankly hasn't had one in years. Johnson's contract is front-loaded, meaning Houston's cap hit reduces with every year a valuable tool considering what the 2024 class and the looming TV deal could bring. The only drawback is his wingspan isn't great for his size and he didn't show much defensively last season but that might be more of San Antonio's general nastiness more so than his own ability and potential.
Law Murray: The San Antonio Spurs got Keldon Johnson as part of the Kawhi Leonard-DeMar DeRozan trade, sent by the Toronto Raptors in the 2018 offseason as a future first-round pick. That selection wound up being 29th overall in 2019. Johnson is a Spurs developmental success story, going from being a 2018 McDonald's All-American and one-and-done starter at Kentucky to a player who earned a four-year rookie scale extension last year. This past season, Johnson showed his full offensive game, averaging 22.0 points (5.2 free throw attempts per game), 2.9 assists (2.1 turnovers), and 2.1 3s while shooting 45.2/32.9/74.9.
Johnson's extension kicks in next season, the start of the Victor Wembanyama era. In this trade, the Spurs lose their leading scorer from their 60-loss team. But not only do they get to add another top-five pick to go with Wembanyama, they'll be betting on the Rockets to add to their first-round selections in two years as well, giving the Spurs another draft asset right as their rebuild should just about be over. As good as Johnson is now, there may be a higher ceiling for one of Scoot Henderson, Brandon Miller, Cam Whitmore, Amen Thompson, Ausar Thompson, Taylor Hendricks, or Anthony Black. Whitmore, in particular, has a similar profile to Johnson when Johnson was draft eligible. The Spurs don't have to go the route of replacing Johnson with the Houston pick, however, and could improve their wing and playmaking with one of the Thompson twins or if Henderson or Miller unexpectedly drop to No. 4. Either way, I'm making this deal if I'm San Antonio.
I think the Rockets still have a pick, but it is tied up in some complicated pick swap deal involving OKC and Brooklyn; so, it likely wouldn't be a lottery pick.Guitarsoup said:OKC controls the Rockets' pick from one of Daryl Morey's awful trades.LawHall88 said:
Trade proposal from The Athletic:https://theathletic.com/4550522/2023/05/25/rockets-nba-draft-pick-trade-2023/Quote:
Rockets receive: Keldon Johnson
Spurs receive: The No. 4 pick in the 2023 NBA Draft and a 2025 first-round pick (top-3 protected)
Why Houston does this: At first glance, I'd have to think twice if the Rockets would be comfortable with Johnson taking up a third of their available cap space but considering this summer's available crop of wings, Johnson's age and his potential, I could see this phone call being placed. Johnson had the ball in his hands quite a bit in San Antonio but he showcased some legit off-ball potential at times and could be the answer at small forward for a Rockets team that frankly hasn't had one in years. Johnson's contract is front-loaded, meaning Houston's cap hit reduces with every year a valuable tool considering what the 2024 class and the looming TV deal could bring. The only drawback is his wingspan isn't great for his size and he didn't show much defensively last season but that might be more of San Antonio's general nastiness more so than his own ability and potential.
Law Murray: The San Antonio Spurs got Keldon Johnson as part of the Kawhi Leonard-DeMar DeRozan trade, sent by the Toronto Raptors in the 2018 offseason as a future first-round pick. That selection wound up being 29th overall in 2019. Johnson is a Spurs developmental success story, going from being a 2018 McDonald's All-American and one-and-done starter at Kentucky to a player who earned a four-year rookie scale extension last year. This past season, Johnson showed his full offensive game, averaging 22.0 points (5.2 free throw attempts per game), 2.9 assists (2.1 turnovers), and 2.1 3s while shooting 45.2/32.9/74.9.
Johnson's extension kicks in next season, the start of the Victor Wembanyama era. In this trade, the Spurs lose their leading scorer from their 60-loss team. But not only do they get to add another top-five pick to go with Wembanyama, they'll be betting on the Rockets to add to their first-round selections in two years as well, giving the Spurs another draft asset right as their rebuild should just about be over. As good as Johnson is now, there may be a higher ceiling for one of Scoot Henderson, Brandon Miller, Cam Whitmore, Amen Thompson, Ausar Thompson, Taylor Hendricks, or Anthony Black. Whitmore, in particular, has a similar profile to Johnson when Johnson was draft eligible. The Spurs don't have to go the route of replacing Johnson with the Houston pick, however, and could improve their wing and playmaking with one of the Thompson twins or if Henderson or Miller unexpectedly drop to No. 4. Either way, I'm making this deal if I'm San Antonio.
LawHall88 said:
Trade proposal from The Athletic:https://theathletic.com/4550522/2023/05/25/rockets-nba-draft-pick-trade-2023/Quote:
Rockets receive: Keldon Johnson
Spurs receive: The No. 4 pick in the 2023 NBA Draft and a 2025 first-round pick (top-3 protected)
Why Houston does this: At first glance, I'd have to think twice if the Rockets would be comfortable with Johnson taking up a third of their available cap space but considering this summer's available crop of wings, Johnson's age and his potential, I could see this phone call being placed. Johnson had the ball in his hands quite a bit in San Antonio but he showcased some legit off-ball potential at times and could be the answer at small forward for a Rockets team that frankly hasn't had one in years. Johnson's contract is front-loaded, meaning Houston's cap hit reduces with every year a valuable tool considering what the 2024 class and the looming TV deal could bring. The only drawback is his wingspan isn't great for his size and he didn't show much defensively last season but that might be more of San Antonio's general nastiness more so than his own ability and potential.
Law Murray: The San Antonio Spurs got Keldon Johnson as part of the Kawhi Leonard-DeMar DeRozan trade, sent by the Toronto Raptors in the 2018 offseason as a future first-round pick. That selection wound up being 29th overall in 2019. Johnson is a Spurs developmental success story, going from being a 2018 McDonald's All-American and one-and-done starter at Kentucky to a player who earned a four-year rookie scale extension last year. This past season, Johnson showed his full offensive game, averaging 22.0 points (5.2 free throw attempts per game), 2.9 assists (2.1 turnovers), and 2.1 3s while shooting 45.2/32.9/74.9.
Johnson's extension kicks in next season, the start of the Victor Wembanyama era. In this trade, the Spurs lose their leading scorer from their 60-loss team. But not only do they get to add another top-five pick to go with Wembanyama, they'll be betting on the Rockets to add to their first-round selections in two years as well, giving the Spurs another draft asset right as their rebuild should just about be over. As good as Johnson is now, there may be a higher ceiling for one of Scoot Henderson, Brandon Miller, Cam Whitmore, Amen Thompson, Ausar Thompson, Taylor Hendricks, or Anthony Black. Whitmore, in particular, has a similar profile to Johnson when Johnson was draft eligible. The Spurs don't have to go the route of replacing Johnson with the Houston pick, however, and could improve their wing and playmaking with one of the Thompson twins or if Henderson or Miller unexpectedly drop to No. 4. Either way, I'm making this deal if I'm San Antonio.
HummingbirdSaltalamacchia said:LawHall88 said:
Trade proposal from The Athletic:https://theathletic.com/4550522/2023/05/25/rockets-nba-draft-pick-trade-2023/Quote:
Rockets receive: Keldon Johnson
Spurs receive: The No. 4 pick in the 2023 NBA Draft and a 2025 first-round pick (top-3 protected)
Why Houston does this: At first glance, I'd have to think twice if the Rockets would be comfortable with Johnson taking up a third of their available cap space but considering this summer's available crop of wings, Johnson's age and his potential, I could see this phone call being placed. Johnson had the ball in his hands quite a bit in San Antonio but he showcased some legit off-ball potential at times and could be the answer at small forward for a Rockets team that frankly hasn't had one in years. Johnson's contract is front-loaded, meaning Houston's cap hit reduces with every year a valuable tool considering what the 2024 class and the looming TV deal could bring. The only drawback is his wingspan isn't great for his size and he didn't show much defensively last season but that might be more of San Antonio's general nastiness more so than his own ability and potential.
Law Murray: The San Antonio Spurs got Keldon Johnson as part of the Kawhi Leonard-DeMar DeRozan trade, sent by the Toronto Raptors in the 2018 offseason as a future first-round pick. That selection wound up being 29th overall in 2019. Johnson is a Spurs developmental success story, going from being a 2018 McDonald's All-American and one-and-done starter at Kentucky to a player who earned a four-year rookie scale extension last year. This past season, Johnson showed his full offensive game, averaging 22.0 points (5.2 free throw attempts per game), 2.9 assists (2.1 turnovers), and 2.1 3s while shooting 45.2/32.9/74.9.
Johnson's extension kicks in next season, the start of the Victor Wembanyama era. In this trade, the Spurs lose their leading scorer from their 60-loss team. But not only do they get to add another top-five pick to go with Wembanyama, they'll be betting on the Rockets to add to their first-round selections in two years as well, giving the Spurs another draft asset right as their rebuild should just about be over. As good as Johnson is now, there may be a higher ceiling for one of Scoot Henderson, Brandon Miller, Cam Whitmore, Amen Thompson, Ausar Thompson, Taylor Hendricks, or Anthony Black. Whitmore, in particular, has a similar profile to Johnson when Johnson was draft eligible. The Spurs don't have to go the route of replacing Johnson with the Houston pick, however, and could improve their wing and playmaking with one of the Thompson twins or if Henderson or Miller unexpectedly drop to No. 4. Either way, I'm making this deal if I'm San Antonio.
Would never happen, and I really like Keldon, but I do that deal in a heartbeat if somehow Scoot falls to 4. Of course, the Rockettes wouldn't do that deal of Scoot is there so, much like a cows opinion, the point is moo…
Kentucky guard Cason Wallace said the Houston Rockets were among the five teams he interviewed with today at the NBA Draft Combine. The others: Chicago Bulls, Denver Nuggets, Los Angeles Lakers and San Antonio Spurs.
— Kelly Iko (@KellyIko) May 17, 2023
The Spurs have requested and will hold a meeting today with Amen Thompson, who will likely be selected with a top 6 pick in the upcoming draft. He has already met with the Hornets, Rockets, and Pistons- who all has picks in that range. #PorVida #GoSpursGo #NBADraft pic.twitter.com/SywYOn6k30
— Dusty Garza (@Dgarza888) May 19, 2023
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What do you get the giant who has everything?
Sources: The NBA’s Competition Committee is discussing potential of in-game penalty for flops that would result in technical foul free throw. Trial is possible at Summer League in July.
— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) May 25, 2023
Guitarsoup said:
Please let Houston sign James Harden to a 4y200mm contract.Sources: The NBA’s Competition Committee is discussing potential of in-game penalty for flops that would result in technical foul free throw. Trial is possible at Summer League in July.
— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) May 25, 2023
I just think that both Black and Wallace are gone at #9 and it would be so expensive to trade up to there, you could get a veteran that is proven for the same price.TheNotoriousP.I.P. said:
Man I'd really love to see us trade up for Cason Wallace and I think it's doable. We could have one of the deadliest defenses in the league with him, Wemby, and Sochan.
DERRICK WHITE SAVES THE SEASON AT THE DEATHhttps://t.co/pU9Em4dJRC pic.twitter.com/RvIW84eNRL
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