flown-the-coop said:
Daddy-O5 said:
flown-the-coop said:
Daddy-O5 said:
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I forget that one is never allowed to change their minds on things. Wait until you found out Trump was not always pro life, was once a democrat, and donated to the Clintons and Kamala Harris. What will people think of their cult leader then?!
Yes, he's always been a liberal. Not much has changed.
I HATE liberals who support law & order, border security, American exceptionalism, tax cuts, pro business mindset. Those are the WORST liberals!!
We need more child mutilation liberals or we need conservatives who want to usher in the Handmaids Tale.
Anything else is just evil, disgusting populism.
There was a time when liberals supported much of that, receipts are posted on this board on a regular basis to "own the libs". No one called him a modern-day leftist.
Then what are you calling him? A Kennedy liberal? A FDR liberal? An Obama liberal?
And liberalism is not for law & order, border security and the like. They sure as **** are not for tax cuts, nor are they pro-business.
Trump is basically post-triangulation Bill Clinton.
Remember the criminal justice reform he got passed (1994 maybe?) that was largely credited with ending the "crack wars" in the inner cities and introduced mandatory minimums?
Remember Clinton's Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996? One can debate the efficacy as Dems frequently failed to enforce the law but that's another discussion?
Remember welfare reform? Clinton signed the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act into law in 1996 too. This might have been the best thing Clinton did as it introduced work requirements.
Clinton did raise taxes in his first term (Trump is basically doing the same via tariffs) but Republicans forced him to cut taxes & spending in his second. Now, those spending cuts weren't really cuts just slight reductions in the rate of spending growth but when combined with the tax cuts and dot-com boom raised tax revenue.
One can debate whether or not Clinton believed in these things (I personally think he didn't) or was dragged there kicking and screaming after the Republican takeover of Congress in the 1994 mid-terms and made the move out of a sense of political self-preservation. But the fact of the matter is, Republicans of that era under Newt Gingrich's "Contract with America" forced Clinton to enact policies which we'd all cry for joy if they got done today.
Of course, Dems today would defenestrate Clinton in a heartbeat for espousing any of these policies but Trump is well left of most Reps from the 90's. I even made the argument back in 2015/2016 that Trump's policy positions were those of mainstream Dems up until about 2012.
