Trump Elon feud

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TarponChaser
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infinity ag said:

4 said:

The most surprising part of this is that these two got together in the first place.

Two egomaniacs in close proximity is not a great recipe for friendship


2 super alphas will never get along.

I knew this was going to happen. I could tell that Trump fired Elon though he dressed it up as he was leaving. Things were too sudden and you could sense that Elon was sulking.

I am waiting for the BIG EXPLOSION from Trump as Elon is administering minor pin-*****s and taunts.





Neither one are alphas in the slightest. Alphas wouldn't be so insecure as to whine and bleed all over social media at the slightest disagreement as Trump does and Elon is a certainly a genius intellect with insane business success but that doesn't make him an alpha male.
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Trump had the election locked up after getting shot.
Elon and Rogan made the victory bigger.
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TexAgs91 said:

flown-the-coop said:

TexAgs91 said:

flown-the-coop said:

4 said:

Daddy-O5 said:



Why would it be shown to Elon?

Last time I checked, he's nowhere in the chain of lawmaking.

, and he's not a member of Congress.

He was hired by the executive branch as a consultant for a very specific, narrow job definition.

Why would he expect to be shown a copy of a bill being sent to congress? Maybe I should ask to be shown all bills before they are voted on, as well?
Correct. Elon is free to speak his mind on this but overall its being hugely disloyal to Trump.

He was not brought in to set policy. He was brought in to setup and run DOGE for 130 days. Seems he thought his role was bigger and its hurt his ego.


Elon put a LOT of effort into rooting out fraud and waste, and put his reputation and Tesla on the line.

He has every right to be pissed when slashing $trillions was once the goal, and now Trump just wants to get a bill passed without getting rid of the $trillions that were added since covid, and without making the cuts found by DOGE in the bill.

This is why we put Trump in office. Trump forgot that. This was supposed to be the moment when all the key players were in place to make significant cuts in the budget and the swamp.
I voted primarily on the border and tax cuts.

Anyone familiar with government knows the permanent reductions in spending was a HUGE challenge. Once the lawfare started, its wings were fatally clipped.

Add in the varied interests of congress critters and slim majorities, and you have to be able to get what you get.

Larger majorities in both houses would have resulted in more accomplishments, but I never seen a group of folks so willing to trash a bill because they didn't get EVERYTHING they wanted.


The disconnect you're having is that this spat between Trump and Elon are about something other than what you care most about, which is border and tax cuts. You fail to understand that there are other issues that are important to other people.

This isn't about getting every single thing you want in the bill. It's about cutting the budget. That's what the majority of the US has wanted for generations.


It's also what Trump pretended to care about when he came into office.

Also, he knows it's not about getting every single thing someone wants in the bill. He's being dishonest about that because it's the only way his tortured argument can make any semblance of sense. He's setting up a reality that doesn't exist, then arguing against it.
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Max Stonetrail said:

Wouldn't surprise me if this was manufactured, a form of controlled, scripted opposition. It is war with the dims (and some repubs) and the MSM. This is what I would do in a war. Keep your enemy completely misinformed and distracted by things that aren't true. Especially the MSM. They are giddy with this "feud".
I think that gives too much credit to both of them. Strategic planning and sticking to the plan hasn't been the trend. It also assumes that the ultimate enemy is always the Dems for them regardless of outcomes. These guys are transactional, not team players. That works in some instances. People keep using 'owning the Dems' as the bench mark for everything we support about the administration. The dems should always be secondary to the goal of just getting the job done. The dems are destroying themselves.
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We should have done a betting pool on how long they would last without the fall out...
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So is the only fix for any of this for 2/3 of states to call for a balanced budget amendment? Congress is never going to fix it themselves.
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flown-the-coop said:

Jet White said:

flown-the-coop said:

Old McDonald said:

flown-the-coop said:

Who called Elon a bad guy? I called his tweets disloyal. They are.
and there it is
What? Calling a spade a spade?

If you think his tweets demonstrate loyalty to Trump then its a take... a bizarre one.


Some of us value loyalty to the American people and working to solve absolutely undeniable massive problems over loyalty to the man currently in office. Crazy, I know.
So cutting waste, fraud and abuse in entitlement programs, strengthening border security, and tax cuts and other economic growth incentives are being DISLOYAL to American people? That is a crazy take. Good luck with that.

Except they haven't cut that waste, fraud, and abuse. They needed to address those legislatively to make them real and permanent in the "OBBB" and they haven't done so.
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TexAgs91 said:





The disconnect you're having is that this spat between Trump and Elon are about something other than what you care most about, which is border and tax cuts. You fail to understand that there are other issues that are important to other people.

This isn't about getting every single thing you want in the bill. It's about cutting the budget. That's what the majority of the US has wanted for generations.
You are never going to cut the budget. The sure scale of Country, inflation and other factors will mean that outside of post-war or post-pandemic years the budget will always increase.

More pragmatic is to limit growth in spending, increase efficiencies and curtail WFA.

You are correct, some CBO scoring showing TRILLIONS of "spending" increases cause people to lose sight of the positives. That's fine.

I completely agree the BBB is a disappointment in depth and scope. But its where we wound up and its preferrable to no bill or to multiple bills of which only the 1st will ever have a chance of making a difference.
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pollo hermanos said:

Daddy-O5 said:



Elon's right of course. Bad Trump


Trump was lying / manipulating his followers. Wow! Would have never thought possible!
Good grief. Get a grip.
Being in TexAgs jail changes a man……..no, not really
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TarponChaser said:

flown-the-coop said:

Jet White said:

flown-the-coop said:

Old McDonald said:

flown-the-coop said:

Who called Elon a bad guy? I called his tweets disloyal. They are.
and there it is
What? Calling a spade a spade?

If you think his tweets demonstrate loyalty to Trump then its a take... a bizarre one.


Some of us value loyalty to the American people and working to solve absolutely undeniable massive problems over loyalty to the man currently in office. Crazy, I know.
So cutting waste, fraud and abuse in entitlement programs, strengthening border security, and tax cuts and other economic growth incentives are being DISLOYAL to American people? That is a crazy take. Good luck with that.

Except they haven't cut that waste, fraud, and abuse. They needed to address those legislatively to make them real and permanent in the "OBBB" and they haven't done so.


They didn't even attempt to do so, not even for a relevant portion of it. It was never their intent.
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Aglaw97 said:

I'm just totally blown away and shocked their relationship has taken this turn. Who could have ever seen this coming?

Sincerely,
Nobody

I think it was in poor taste for Elon to leave the Govt and then begin to trash it and trash Trump. Now he is not wrong though, but he should have kept his silence for a few weeks/months.
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I have read this entire thread, and the most important thing I learned was a new word! I'm old, and not sure I have ever heard this word used. I guess it sounds better than "heave-ho"!
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"ROGER - OUT"
Logos Stick
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Elon says keep the EV cuts in the bill.

Your move, Mr Trump:



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infinity ag said:

4 said:

The most surprising part of this is that these two got together in the first place.

Two egomaniacs in close proximity is not a great recipe for friendship


2 super alphas will never get along.

I knew this was going to happen. I could tell that Trump fired Elon though he dressed it up as he was leaving. Things were too sudden and you could sense that Elon was sulking.

I am waiting for the BIG EXPLOSION from Trump as Elon is administering minor pin-*****s and taunts.






Well at least Elon isn't suggesting Trump is a "robotic clone." At least not yet.
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I'm wondering if he's not leveraging Congress to get some reductions in. He's earlier stated his intentions to primary those who aren't on board. Bashing Trump sells it better.
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TarponChaser said:

infinity ag said:

4 said:

The most surprising part of this is that these two got together in the first place.

Two egomaniacs in close proximity is not a great recipe for friendship


2 super alphas will never get along.

I knew this was going to happen. I could tell that Trump fired Elon though he dressed it up as he was leaving. Things were too sudden and you could sense that Elon was sulking.

I am waiting for the BIG EXPLOSION from Trump as Elon is administering minor pin-*****s and taunts.





Neither one are alphas in the slightest. Alphas wouldn't be so insecure as to whine and bleed all over social media at the slightest disagreement as Trump does and Elon is a certainly a genius intellect with insane business success but that doesn't make him an alpha male.
Yeah, they'd hide behind the skirt of the media like Obama and Biden did, right?
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Logos Stick said:

Elon says keep the EV cuts in the bill.

Your move, Mr Trump:




Uh oh, there goes one BS excuse out the window for the cult. Wonder what's next?
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Who called Elon a bad guy? I called his tweets disloyal. They are.
and there it is
What? Calling a spade a spade?

If you think his tweets demonstrate loyalty to Trump then its a take... a bizarre one.


Some of us value loyalty to the American people and working to solve absolutely undeniable massive problems over loyalty to the man currently in office. Crazy, I know.
So cutting waste, fraud and abuse in entitlement programs, strengthening border security, and tax cuts and other economic growth incentives are being DISLOYAL to American people? That is a crazy take. Good luck with that.


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The disconnect you're having is that this spat between Trump and Elon are about something other than what you care most about, which is border and tax cuts. You fail to understand that there are other issues that are important to other people.

This isn't about getting every single thing you want in the bill. It's about cutting the budget. That's what the majority of the US has wanted for generations.
You are never going to cut the budget. The sure scale of Country, inflation and other factors will mean that outside of post-war or post-pandemic years the budget will always increase.

More pragmatic is to limit growth in spending, increase efficiencies and curtail WFA.

You are correct, some CBO scoring showing TRILLIONS of "spending" increases cause people to lose sight of the positives. That's fine.

I completely agree the BBB is a disappointment in depth and scope. But its where we wound up and its preferrable to no bill or to multiple bills of which only the 1st will ever have a chance of making a difference.
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Relationship didn't even last 5 months. Working with Trump is poison unless you are family. He'll end up hating you or vice versa.
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BluHorseShu said:

Max Stonetrail said:

Wouldn't surprise me if this was manufactured, a form of controlled, scripted opposition. It is war with the dims (and some repubs) and the MSM. This is what I would do in a war. Keep your enemy completely misinformed and distracted by things that aren't true. Especially the MSM. They are giddy with this "feud".
I think that gives too much credit to both of them. Strategic planning and sticking to the plan hasn't been the trend. It also assumes that the ultimate enemy is always the Dems for them regardless of outcomes. These guys are transactional, not team players. That works in some instances. People keep using 'owning the Dems' as the bench mark for everything we support about the administration. The dems should always be secondary to the goal of just getting the job done. The dems are destroying themselves.
No strategic planning? Trump planned for 4 years for this term and it shows in what he has accomplished so quickly.

And yeah, Elon totally lucked into being the richest man in the world without any planning.

I do not use "owning the dems" as a benchmark, nor do I think most Trump voters do. I want to keep taxes low, the border controlled, the US out of foreign wars and nation building and the government as much out of my personal business as possible. If Trump accomplishes those things, I suppose that in it of itself is "owning the dems".
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I don't really care.
TexAgs91
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flown-the-coop said:

TexAgs91 said:





The disconnect you're having is that this spat between Trump and Elon are about something other than what you care most about, which is border and tax cuts. You fail to understand that there are other issues that are important to other people.

This isn't about getting every single thing you want in the bill. It's about cutting the budget. That's what the majority of the US has wanted for generations.
You are never going to cut the budget. The sure scale of Country, inflation and other factors will mean that outside of post-war or post-pandemic years the budget will always increase.

More pragmatic is to limit growth in spending, increase efficiencies and curtail WFA.

You are correct, some CBO scoring showing TRILLIONS of "spending" increases cause people to lose sight of the positives. That's fine.

I completely agree the BBB is a disappointment in depth and scope. But its where we wound up and its preferrable to no bill or to multiple bills of which only the 1st will ever have a chance of making a difference.
The budget will never be cut because democrats want to increase it and republicans can't govern.

Whenever it comes times to make the hard call to arrest a crook who happens to be a high level democrat or make drastic cuts in order to balance the budget, republicans will cave.

Republicans can make bold choices when it comes to foreign affairs. But inside the US, they're useless.
No, I don't care what CNN or MSNBC said this time
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IDaggie06
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At this rate, the midterms are going to be a disaster. Trump is screwing up big time recently. I'm MAGA but he is really making it hard right now.
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infinity ag said:

Aglaw97 said:

I'm just totally blown away and shocked their relationship has taken this turn. Who could have ever seen this coming?

Sincerely,
Nobody

I think it was in poor taste for Elon to leave the Govt and then begin to trash it and trash Trump. Now he is not wrong though, but he should have kept his silence for a few weeks/months.
But the bill is currently up for vote. Or should congress wait an appropriate time for Elon to weigh in?
No, I don't care what CNN or MSNBC said this time
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IDaggie06 said:

At this rate, the midterms are going to be a disaster. Trump is screwing up big time recently. I'm MAGA but he is really making it hard right now.
Democrats taking the House was forgone conclusion anyway
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At a certain point, you have to feel sorry for Trump supporters, right?
MAGA remains loyal to Trump, but the loyalty is not being reciprocated in any evident way
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Elons right here
CNN is an enemy of the state and should be treated as such.
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The honeymoon is over?!?!

Are we turning on MAGA or Elon?
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samurai_science said:

IDaggie06 said:

At this rate, the midterms are going to be a disaster. Trump is screwing up big time recently. I'm MAGA but he is really making it hard right now.
Democrats taking the House was forgone conclusion anyway


Didn't have to be. Does it usually happen? Sure. But Dems were leaderless and without a coherent message. Republicans had new voters and new donors. Blew all that momentum in 5 months.
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annie88 said:

I don't really care.


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army01 said:

The honeymoon is over?!?!

Are we turning on MAGA or Elon?
Elon is MAGA. He wants to balance the budget and Make America Great Again.

No, I don't care what CNN or MSNBC said this time
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Max Stonetrail said:

Wouldn't surprise me if this was manufactured, a form of controlled, scripted opposition. It is war with the dims (and some repubs) and the MSM. This is what I would do in a war. Keep your enemy completely misinformed and distracted by things that aren't true. Especially the MSM. They are giddy with this "feud".
Came here to post this. I wouldn't be shocked in the least.
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Jet White said:

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Who called Elon a bad guy? I called his tweets disloyal. They are.
and there it is
What? Calling a spade a spade?

If you think his tweets demonstrate loyalty to Trump then its a take... a bizarre one.


Some of us value loyalty to the American people and working to solve absolutely undeniable massive problems over loyalty to the man currently in office. Crazy, I know.
So cutting waste, fraud and abuse in entitlement programs, strengthening border security, and tax cuts and other economic growth incentives are being DISLOYAL to American people? That is a crazy take. Good luck with that.


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The disconnect you're having is that this spat between Trump and Elon are about something other than what you care most about, which is border and tax cuts. You fail to understand that there are other issues that are important to other people.

This isn't about getting every single thing you want in the bill. It's about cutting the budget. That's what the majority of the US has wanted for generations.
You are never going to cut the budget. The sure scale of Country, inflation and other factors will mean that outside of post-war or post-pandemic years the budget will always increase.

More pragmatic is to limit growth in spending, increase efficiencies and curtail WFA.

You are correct, some CBO scoring showing TRILLIONS of "spending" increases cause people to lose sight of the positives. That's fine.

I completely agree the BBB is a disappointment in depth and scope. But its where we wound up and its preferrable to no bill or to multiple bills of which only the 1st will ever have a chance of making a difference.

Do you have a budget line for waste, fraud and abuse?


One would think it obvious that cutting waste, fraud and abuse and reducing budgeted expenditures are two separate things. But bad assumption by me.

If I budget $1,000 for new shirts and $200 is stolen and $400 went to shirts that do not fit, then I have to spend $1,600 on shirts. It is not "cutting the budget" to remove the $600 but it does save money.

If I say we have 40% more people to buy shirts for then logic tells you to budget $1,400 for new shirts. If that is not possible, increase efficiency, reduce people or such. But saying the budget must be less than $1,000 not matter what or else your bill is a failure, is piss arse logic that is not feasible.

Sorry, your gotchya fails again. Try and discuss the topic instead of trying to "dunk" on your fellow posters cause you disagree with them.
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BoydCrowder13 said:

samurai_science said:

IDaggie06 said:

At this rate, the midterms are going to be a disaster. Trump is screwing up big time recently. I'm MAGA but he is really making it hard right now.
Democrats taking the House was forgone conclusion anyway


Didn't have to be. Does it usually happen? Sure. But Dems were leaderless and without a coherent message. Republicans had new voters and new donors. Blew all that momentum in 5 months.

Exactly. No petty feuds. Cut spending responsibly. Control the border. Don't create unnecessary economical issues for US business to have to navigate (hello fake tariff policy), and we could have saved the midterms.

At this point the districts will very likely flip in key areas, even if Trump's personal base level support remains unchanged. Then gridlock for 2 more years while he talks about running for a 3rd term like an old loon.
 
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