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Hey don't forget the kids! They're also arguing to take food security away from kids!

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why am I responsible to feed your kids?

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Not a Christian I presume?

Even if you are in fact heartless, this country you chose to live in has always and should always provide publicly available services for the overall wellbeing of its citizens.

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Lot to unpack really dumb post.

1. Christianly doesn't teach you to have kids out of wedlock and be a leach on society.

2. Also, what happened to personal responsibility what if everyone decided to have kids and refuse to provide for them instead just seek government help?

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• Proverbs 19:17 - "Whoever is generous to the poor lends to the Lord, and he will repay him for his deed."
• Isaiah 58:10 - "If you pour yourself out for the hungry and satisfy the desire of the afflicted, then shall your light rise in the darkness…"
• Matthew 25:35-40 - "For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink... Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me."
• Deuteronomy 15:11 - "For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, 'You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor.'"
• Galatians 6:1-2 - "Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness... Bear one another's burdens."
• James 5:19-20 - "Whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins."

I'm not a particularly religious man, but I'm fairly confident that the bible preaches love, kindness, and generosity to EVERYONE including those who sin or 'leach on society.'

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People realize the Medicaid thing is just health insurance and is paid to the healthcare workers providing a service to someone?

People aren't sitting at home collecting Medicaid checks. We're literally arguing we should cut health insurance to millions of poor people and payment/service to millions of healthcare providers?

There's no positive there except those already well off, who have insurance, keep living the same life and have a little extra.

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Hey don't forget the kids! They're also arguing to take food security away from kids!

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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tax cut for the wealthy

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When you say dumb **** like this it reminds me of why I'll never vote for a democrat

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If perceived idiocy is the motivating animus for your vote, GREAT JOB BY YOU!

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It's not perceived. I'm not ultra wealthy and I got a sizable tax cut under trumps bill. Most of us did.

That's why it's a ****ing stupid claim.

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(I was making an allusion to the idiocy displayed by the current POTUS)

It's not a 'claim.' It's per the research conducted by the CBO:

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CBO estimates that household resources would decrease by an amount equal to about 2 percent of income in the lowest decile (tenth) of the income distribution in 2027 and 4 percent in 2033, mainly as a result of losses of in-kind transfers, such as Medicaid and SNAP (see the figure).3 By contrast, resources would increase by an amount equal to 4 percent for households in the highest decile in 2027 and 2 percent in 2033, mainly because of reductions in they taxes they owe.

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Ya that's how percentages work Einstein. But your claim was that it was for the ultra wealthy. As in only them. It wasn't. We all got some back. And ay they got more, they ****ing pay more. Medicaid and snap? Ya **** those people. I loath leeches.

Just be honest about policy. Maybe if you did you wouldn't automatically push people away from your party.

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I said it benefits the wealthy at the expense of the bottom income earners and it does. Beyond the pure income tax cuts, there are more valuable tax breaks tied to business income, state and local taxes and the estate tax that overwhelmingly benefit the wealthy.

And SNAP has been studied which estimates that every SNAP dollar invested in children returns $62 in value over their lifetimes (due to a range of benefits including improved educational outcomes, higher earnings in adulthood, increased life expectancy, and increased government tax revenue).

It sounds like your hatred of 'idiocy' is only matched by your antipathy of the less fortunate (and misunderstanding of macroeconomics). A paragon of your Republican cohort, you are.

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How much do these "bottom income earners" pay in taxes? Do they pay ANYTHING?

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Actually many have a negative tax rate.....so they are stealing from other Americans

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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Cougar11 said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

Hey don't forget the kids! They're also arguing to take food security away from kids!

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why am I responsible to feed your kids?

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Not a Christian I presume?

Even if you are in fact heartless, this country you chose to live in has always and should always provide publicly available services for the overall wellbeing of its citizens.

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Lot to unpack really dumb post.

1. Christianly doesn't teach you to have kids out of wedlock and be a leach on society.

2. Also, what happened to personal responsibility what if everyone decided to have kids and refuse to provide for them instead just seek government help?

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• Proverbs 19:17 - "Whoever is generous to the poor lends to the Lord, and he will repay him for his deed."
• Isaiah 58:10 - "If you pour yourself out for the hungry and satisfy the desire of the afflicted, then shall your light rise in the darkness…"
• Matthew 25:35-40 - "For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink... Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me."
• Deuteronomy 15:11 - "For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, 'You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor.'"
• Galatians 6:1-2 - "Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness... Bear one another's burdens."
• James 5:19-20 - "Whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins."

I'm not a particularly religious man, but I'm fairly confident that the bible preaches love, kindness, and generosity to EVERYONE including those who sin or 'leach on society.'

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Logos Stick said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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Cougar11 said:

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t - cam said:

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Cougar11 said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

Hey don't forget the kids! They're also arguing to take food security away from kids!

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why am I responsible to feed your kids?

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Not a Christian I presume?

Even if you are in fact heartless, this country you chose to live in has always and should always provide publicly available services for the overall wellbeing of its citizens.

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Lot to unpack really dumb post.

1. Christianly doesn't teach you to have kids out of wedlock and be a leach on society.

2. Also, what happened to personal responsibility what if everyone decided to have kids and refuse to provide for them instead just seek government help?

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• Proverbs 19:17 - "Whoever is generous to the poor lends to the Lord, and he will repay him for his deed."
• Isaiah 58:10 - "If you pour yourself out for the hungry and satisfy the desire of the afflicted, then shall your light rise in the darkness…"
• Matthew 25:35-40 - "For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink... Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me."
• Deuteronomy 15:11 - "For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, 'You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor.'"
• Galatians 6:1-2 - "Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness... Bear one another's burdens."
• James 5:19-20 - "Whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins."

I'm not a particularly religious man, but I'm fairly confident that the bible preaches love, kindness, and generosity to EVERYONE including those who sin or 'leach on society.'

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You don't understand those scriptures. Not surprised. Why do liberals, most of whom are godless, quote the Bible?

We are never told in the Bible to use the government to take from others and give it to people that we believe need it. The Bible is talking to individual believers - what they should personally do - and since you are not a believer, you should refrain from making ignorant posts quoting it.

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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Cougar11 said:

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t - cam said:

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Cougar11 said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

Hey don't forget the kids! They're also arguing to take food security away from kids!

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why am I responsible to feed your kids?

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Not a Christian I presume?

Even if you are in fact heartless, this country you chose to live in has always and should always provide publicly available services for the overall wellbeing of its citizens.

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Lot to unpack really dumb post.

1. Christianly doesn't teach you to have kids out of wedlock and be a leach on society.

2. Also, what happened to personal responsibility what if everyone decided to have kids and refuse to provide for them instead just seek government help?

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• Proverbs 19:17 - "Whoever is generous to the poor lends to the Lord, and he will repay him for his deed."
• Isaiah 58:10 - "If you pour yourself out for the hungry and satisfy the desire of the afflicted, then shall your light rise in the darkness…"
• Matthew 25:35-40 - "For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink... Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me."
• Deuteronomy 15:11 - "For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, 'You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor.'"
• Galatians 6:1-2 - "Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness... Bear one another's burdens."
• James 5:19-20 - "Whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins."

I'm not a particularly religious man, but I'm fairly confident that the bible preaches love, kindness, and generosity to EVERYONE including those who sin or 'leach on society.'

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You don't understand those scriptures. Not surprised. Why do liberals, most of whom are godless, quote the Bible?

We are never told in the Bible to use the government to take from others and give it to people that we believe need it. The Bible is talking to individual believers - what they should personally do - and since you are not a believer, you should refrain from making ignorant posts quoting it.

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Because it's the language most of MAGA speaks. The only way (or at least the most effective) to measure their hypocrisy is to hold their opinions up to their 'lord's' decree. Politics in this country was always meant to be something 'outside' of (or separate from) the confines of religious doctrine. However conservatives simultaneously want to put up a poster of the 10 commandments in every public school classroom but at the same time cry 'it's about the individual choice.' They want to 'help the needy' but only if the needy can prove they can't work and entered the country legally. If a 10 year old doesn't have money to buy lunch at the school cafeteria, to you it's fair game because his deadbeat dad smoked all the families' resources in a pipe.

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Phatbob said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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Cougar11 said:

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t - cam said:

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Cougar11 said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

Hey don't forget the kids! They're also arguing to take food security away from kids!

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why am I responsible to feed your kids?

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Not a Christian I presume?

Even if you are in fact heartless, this country you chose to live in has always and should always provide publicly available services for the overall wellbeing of its citizens.

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Lot to unpack really dumb post.

1. Christianly doesn't teach you to have kids out of wedlock and be a leach on society.

2. Also, what happened to personal responsibility what if everyone decided to have kids and refuse to provide for them instead just seek government help?

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• Proverbs 19:17 - "Whoever is generous to the poor lends to the Lord, and he will repay him for his deed."
• Isaiah 58:10 - "If you pour yourself out for the hungry and satisfy the desire of the afflicted, then shall your light rise in the darkness…"
• Matthew 25:35-40 - "For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink... Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me."
• Deuteronomy 15:11 - "For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, 'You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor.'"
• Galatians 6:1-2 - "Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness... Bear one another's burdens."
• James 5:19-20 - "Whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins."

I'm not a particularly religious man, but I'm fairly confident that the bible preaches love, kindness, and generosity to EVERYONE including those who sin or 'leach on society.'

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You don't understand those scriptures. Not surprised. Why do liberals, most of whom are godless, quote the Bible?

We are never told in the Bible to use the government to take from others and give it to people that we believe need it. The Bible is talking to individual believers - what they should personally do - and since you are not a believer, you should refrain from making ignorant posts quoting it.

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Because it's the language most of MAGA speaks. The only way (or at least the most effective) to measure their hypocrisy is to hold their opinions up to their 'lord's' decree. Politics in this country was always meant to be something 'outside' of (or separate from) the confines of religious doctrine. However conservatives simultaneously want to put up a poster of the 10 commandments in every public school classroom but at the same time cry 'it's about the individual choice.' They want to 'help the needy' but only if the needy can prove they can't work and entered the country legally. If a 10 year old doesn't have money to buy lunch at the school cafeteria, to you it's fair game because his deadbeat dad smoked all the families' resources in a pipe.

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It's not surprising that half of the verses you quoted have nothing to do with the poor, but with accountability among believers.

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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Cougar11 said:

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t - cam said:

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Cougar11 said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

Hey don't forget the kids! They're also arguing to take food security away from kids!

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why am I responsible to feed your kids?

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Not a Christian I presume?

Even if you are in fact heartless, this country you chose to live in has always and should always provide publicly available services for the overall wellbeing of its citizens.

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Lot to unpack really dumb post.

1. Christianly doesn't teach you to have kids out of wedlock and be a leach on society.

2. Also, what happened to personal responsibility what if everyone decided to have kids and refuse to provide for them instead just seek government help?

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• Proverbs 19:17 - "Whoever is generous to the poor lends to the Lord, and he will repay him for his deed."
• Isaiah 58:10 - "If you pour yourself out for the hungry and satisfy the desire of the afflicted, then shall your light rise in the darkness…"
• Matthew 25:35-40 - "For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink... Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me."
• Deuteronomy 15:11 - "For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, 'You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor.'"
• Galatians 6:1-2 - "Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness... Bear one another's burdens."
• James 5:19-20 - "Whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins."

I'm not a particularly religious man, but I'm fairly confident that the bible preaches love, kindness, and generosity to EVERYONE including those who sin or 'leach on society.'

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You don't understand those scriptures. Not surprised. Why do liberals, most of whom are godless, quote the Bible?

We are never told in the Bible to use the government to take from others and give it to people that we believe need it. The Bible is talking to individual believers - what they should personally do - and since you are not a believer, you should refrain from making ignorant posts quoting it.

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Because it's the language most of MAGA speaks. The only way (or at least the most effective) to measure their hypocrisy is to hold their opinions up to their 'lord's' decree. Politics in this country was always meant to be something 'outside' of (or separate from) the confines of religious doctrine. However conservatives simultaneously want to put up a poster of the 10 commandments in every public school classroom but at the same time cry 'it's about the individual choice.' They want to 'help the needy' but only if the needy can prove they can't work and entered the country legally. If a 10 year old doesn't have money to buy lunch at the school cafeteria, to you it's fair game because his deadbeat dad smoked all the families' resources in a pipe.

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Cougar11 said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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Cougar11 said:

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t - cam said:

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Cougar11 said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

Hey don't forget the kids! They're also arguing to take food security away from kids!

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why am I responsible to feed your kids?

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Not a Christian I presume?

Even if you are in fact heartless, this country you chose to live in has always and should always provide publicly available services for the overall wellbeing of its citizens.

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Lot to unpack really dumb post.

1. Christianly doesn't teach you to have kids out of wedlock and be a leach on society.

2. Also, what happened to personal responsibility what if everyone decided to have kids and refuse to provide for them instead just seek government help?

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• Proverbs 19:17 - "Whoever is generous to the poor lends to the Lord, and he will repay him for his deed."
• Isaiah 58:10 - "If you pour yourself out for the hungry and satisfy the desire of the afflicted, then shall your light rise in the darkness…"
• Matthew 25:35-40 - "For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink... Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me."
• Deuteronomy 15:11 - "For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, 'You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor.'"
• Galatians 6:1-2 - "Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness... Bear one another's burdens."
• James 5:19-20 - "Whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins."

I'm not a particularly religious man, but I'm fairly confident that the bible preaches love, kindness, and generosity to EVERYONE including those who sin or 'leach on society.'

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You don't understand those scriptures. Not surprised. Why do liberals, most of whom are godless, quote the Bible?

We are never told in the Bible to use the government to take from others and give it to people that we believe need it. The Bible is talking to individual believers - what they should personally do - and since you are not a believer, you should refrain from making ignorant posts quoting it.

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Because it's the language most of MAGA speaks. The only way (or at least the most effective) to measure their hypocrisy is to hold their opinions up to their 'lord's' decree. Politics in this country was always meant to be something 'outside' of (or separate from) the confines of religious doctrine. However conservatives simultaneously want to put up a poster of the 10 commandments in every public school classroom but at the same time cry 'it's about the individual choice.' They want to 'help the needy' but only if the needy can prove they can't work and entered the country legally. If a 10 year old doesn't have money to buy lunch at the school cafeteria, to you it's fair game because his deadbeat dad smoked all the families' resources in a pipe.

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where is the 10-year-olds mom, grandparents' other family, again why is that 10 year someone's responsibility?

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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Phatbob said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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Cougar11 said:

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t - cam said:

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Cougar11 said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

Hey don't forget the kids! They're also arguing to take food security away from kids!

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why am I responsible to feed your kids?

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Not a Christian I presume?

Even if you are in fact heartless, this country you chose to live in has always and should always provide publicly available services for the overall wellbeing of its citizens.

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Lot to unpack really dumb post.

1. Christianly doesn't teach you to have kids out of wedlock and be a leach on society.

2. Also, what happened to personal responsibility what if everyone decided to have kids and refuse to provide for them instead just seek government help?

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• Proverbs 19:17 - "Whoever is generous to the poor lends to the Lord, and he will repay him for his deed."
• Isaiah 58:10 - "If you pour yourself out for the hungry and satisfy the desire of the afflicted, then shall your light rise in the darkness…"
• Matthew 25:35-40 - "For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink... Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me."
• Deuteronomy 15:11 - "For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, 'You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor.'"
• Galatians 6:1-2 - "Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness... Bear one another's burdens."
• James 5:19-20 - "Whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins."

I'm not a particularly religious man, but I'm fairly confident that the bible preaches love, kindness, and generosity to EVERYONE including those who sin or 'leach on society.'

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You don't understand those scriptures. Not surprised. Why do liberals, most of whom are godless, quote the Bible?

We are never told in the Bible to use the government to take from others and give it to people that we believe need it. The Bible is talking to individual believers - what they should personally do - and since you are not a believer, you should refrain from making ignorant posts quoting it.

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Because it's the language most of MAGA speaks. The only way (or at least the most effective) to measure their hypocrisy is to hold their opinions up to their 'lord's' decree. Politics in this country was always meant to be something 'outside' of (or separate from) the confines of religious doctrine. However conservatives simultaneously want to put up a poster of the 10 commandments in every public school classroom but at the same time cry 'it's about the individual choice.' They want to 'help the needy' but only if the needy can prove they can't work and entered the country legally. If a 10 year old doesn't have money to buy lunch at the school cafeteria, to you it's fair game because his deadbeat dad smoked all the families' resources in a pipe.

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It's not surprising that half of the verses you quoted have nothing to do with the poor, but with accountability among believers.

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And what about the other half?

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Because it is the individual's responsibility to proved for their own and their family's healthcare. Not mine or the taxpayer.

My employer doesn't provide mine. I do. It is $32k a year. And my partners and I pay for the same coverage for our employees.

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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Cougar11 said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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Cougar11 said:

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t - cam said:

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Cougar11 said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

Hey don't forget the kids! They're also arguing to take food security away from kids!

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why am I responsible to feed your kids?

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Not a Christian I presume?

Even if you are in fact heartless, this country you chose to live in has always and should always provide publicly available services for the overall wellbeing of its citizens.

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Lot to unpack really dumb post.

1. Christianly doesn't teach you to have kids out of wedlock and be a leach on society.

2. Also, what happened to personal responsibility what if everyone decided to have kids and refuse to provide for them instead just seek government help?

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• Proverbs 19:17 - "Whoever is generous to the poor lends to the Lord, and he will repay him for his deed."
• Isaiah 58:10 - "If you pour yourself out for the hungry and satisfy the desire of the afflicted, then shall your light rise in the darkness…"
• Matthew 25:35-40 - "For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink... Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me."
• Deuteronomy 15:11 - "For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, 'You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor.'"
• Galatians 6:1-2 - "Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness... Bear one another's burdens."
• James 5:19-20 - "Whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins."

I'm not a particularly religious man, but I'm fairly confident that the bible preaches love, kindness, and generosity to EVERYONE including those who sin or 'leach on society.'

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You don't understand those scriptures. Not surprised. Why do liberals, most of whom are godless, quote the Bible?

We are never told in the Bible to use the government to take from others and give it to people that we believe need it. The Bible is talking to individual believers - what they should personally do - and since you are not a believer, you should refrain from making ignorant posts quoting it.

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Because it's the language most of MAGA speaks. The only way (or at least the most effective) to measure their hypocrisy is to hold their opinions up to their 'lord's' decree. Politics in this country was always meant to be something 'outside' of (or separate from) the confines of religious doctrine. However conservatives simultaneously want to put up a poster of the 10 commandments in every public school classroom but at the same time cry 'it's about the individual choice.' They want to 'help the needy' but only if the needy can prove they can't work and entered the country legally. If a 10 year old doesn't have money to buy lunch at the school cafeteria, to you it's fair game because his deadbeat dad smoked all the families' resources in a pipe.

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where is the 10-year-olds mom, grandparents' other family, again why is that 10 year someone's responsibility?

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I don't care. It's my opinion that every single child in a public school should have access to a free lunch. Period. Rich or poor. I don't want any grade schooler to justify to me why they're hungry and can't afford to buy a meal.

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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Cougar11 said:

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t - cam said:

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Cougar11 said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

Hey don't forget the kids! They're also arguing to take food security away from kids!

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why am I responsible to feed your kids?

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Not a Christian I presume?

Even if you are in fact heartless, this country you chose to live in has always and should always provide publicly available services for the overall wellbeing of its citizens.

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Lot to unpack really dumb post.

1. Christianly doesn't teach you to have kids out of wedlock and be a leach on society.

2. Also, what happened to personal responsibility what if everyone decided to have kids and refuse to provide for them instead just seek government help?

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• Proverbs 19:17 - "Whoever is generous to the poor lends to the Lord, and he will repay him for his deed."
• Isaiah 58:10 - "If you pour yourself out for the hungry and satisfy the desire of the afflicted, then shall your light rise in the darkness…"
• Matthew 25:35-40 - "For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink... Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me."
• Deuteronomy 15:11 - "For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, 'You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor.'"
• Galatians 6:1-2 - "Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness... Bear one another's burdens."
• James 5:19-20 - "Whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins."

I'm not a particularly religious man, but I'm fairly confident that the bible preaches love, kindness, and generosity to EVERYONE including those who sin or 'leach on society.'

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You don't understand those scriptures. Not surprised. Why do liberals, most of whom are godless, quote the Bible?

We are never told in the Bible to use the government to take from others and give it to people that we believe need it. The Bible is talking to individual believers - what they should personally do - and since you are not a believer, you should refrain from making ignorant posts quoting it.

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Because it's the language most of MAGA speaks. The only way (or at least the most effective) to measure their hypocrisy is to hold their opinions up to their 'lord's' decree. Politics in this country was always meant to be something 'outside' of (or separate from) the confines of religious doctrine. However conservatives simultaneously want to put up a poster of the 10 commandments in every public school classroom but at the same time cry 'it's about the individual choice.' They want to 'help the needy' but only if the needy can prove they can't work and entered the country legally. If a 10 year old doesn't have money to buy lunch at the school cafeteria, to you it's fair game because his deadbeat dad smoked all the families' resources in a pipe.

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Hullabaloonatic said:

Hey don't forget the kids! They're also arguing to take food security away from kids!

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why am I responsible to feed your kids?

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Not a Christian I presume?

Even if you are in fact heartless, this country you chose to live in has always and should always provide publicly available services for the overall wellbeing of its citizens.

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Lot to unpack really dumb post.

1. Christianly doesn't teach you to have kids out of wedlock and be a leach on society.

2. Also, what happened to personal responsibility what if everyone decided to have kids and refuse to provide for them instead just seek government help?

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Hullabaloonatic said:

Hey don't forget the kids! They're also arguing to take food security away from kids!

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why am I responsible to feed your kids?

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Not a Christian I presume?

Even if you are in fact heartless, this country you chose to live in has always and should always provide publicly available services for the overall wellbeing of its citizens.

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Lot to unpack really dumb post.

1. Christianly doesn't teach you to have kids out of wedlock and be a leach on society.

2. Also, what happened to personal responsibility what if everyone decided to have kids and refuse to provide for them instead just seek government help?

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I'll take "Things Jesus would never say" for a 1000 Alex.

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Phatbob said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

Hey don't forget the kids! They're also arguing to take food security away from kids!

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why am I responsible to feed your kids?

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Not a Christian I presume?

Even if you are in fact heartless, this country you chose to live in has always and should always provide publicly available services for the overall wellbeing of its citizens.

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Lot to unpack really dumb post.

1. Christianly doesn't teach you to have kids out of wedlock and be a leach on society.

2. Also, what happened to personal responsibility what if everyone decided to have kids and refuse to provide for them instead just seek government help?

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• Proverbs 19:17 - "Whoever is generous to the poor lends to the Lord, and he will repay him for his deed."
• Isaiah 58:10 - "If you pour yourself out for the hungry and satisfy the desire of the afflicted, then shall your light rise in the darkness…"
• Matthew 25:35-40 - "For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink... Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me."
• Deuteronomy 15:11 - "For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, 'You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor.'"
• Galatians 6:1-2 - "Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness... Bear one another's burdens."
• James 5:19-20 - "Whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins."

I'm not a particularly religious man, but I'm fairly confident that the bible preaches love, kindness, and generosity to EVERYONE including those who sin or 'leach on society.'

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You don't understand those scriptures. Not surprised. Why do liberals, most of whom are godless, quote the Bible?

We are never told in the Bible to use the government to take from others and give it to people that we believe need it. The Bible is talking to individual believers - what they should personally do - and since you are not a believer, you should refrain from making ignorant posts quoting it.

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Because it's the language most of MAGA speaks. The only way (or at least the most effective) to measure their hypocrisy is to hold their opinions up to their 'lord's' decree. Politics in this country was always meant to be something 'outside' of (or separate from) the confines of religious doctrine. However conservatives simultaneously want to put up a poster of the 10 commandments in every public school classroom but at the same time cry 'it's about the individual choice.' They want to 'help the needy' but only if the needy can prove they can't work and entered the country legally. If a 10 year old doesn't have money to buy lunch at the school cafeteria, to you it's fair game because his deadbeat dad smoked all the families' resources in a pipe.

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It's not surprising that half of the verses you quoted have nothing to do with the poor, but with accountability among believers.

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And what about the other half?

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One thing they DO NOT say, is to have the government take care of them. It told the Church and the individual to feed and clothe the poor... not to "vote for programs". You'll see absolutely 0 reference in any scripture that allow having someone else or some government do it for you. Jesus called those people vipers, if you'll recall... or likely not.

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"Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities... For the one in authority is God's servant for your good."

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"Do what is just and right. Rescue from the hand of the oppressor the one who has been robbed. Do no wrong or violence to the foreigner, the fatherless or the widow…"

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"Woe to the shepherds of Israel who only take care of themselves!... You have not strengthened the weak or healed the sick or bound up the injured…"

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Phatbob said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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Cougar11 said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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Cougar11 said:

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t - cam said:

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Cougar11 said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

Hey don't forget the kids! They're also arguing to take food security away from kids!

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why am I responsible to feed your kids?

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Not a Christian I presume?

Even if you are in fact heartless, this country you chose to live in has always and should always provide publicly available services for the overall wellbeing of its citizens.

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Lot to unpack really dumb post.

1. Christianly doesn't teach you to have kids out of wedlock and be a leach on society.

2. Also, what happened to personal responsibility what if everyone decided to have kids and refuse to provide for them instead just seek government help?

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• Proverbs 19:17 - "Whoever is generous to the poor lends to the Lord, and he will repay him for his deed."
• Isaiah 58:10 - "If you pour yourself out for the hungry and satisfy the desire of the afflicted, then shall your light rise in the darkness…"
• Matthew 25:35-40 - "For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink... Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me."
• Deuteronomy 15:11 - "For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, 'You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor.'"
• Galatians 6:1-2 - "Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness... Bear one another's burdens."
• James 5:19-20 - "Whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins."

I'm not a particularly religious man, but I'm fairly confident that the bible preaches love, kindness, and generosity to EVERYONE including those who sin or 'leach on society.'

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You don't understand those scriptures. Not surprised. Why do liberals, most of whom are godless, quote the Bible?

We are never told in the Bible to use the government to take from others and give it to people that we believe need it. The Bible is talking to individual believers - what they should personally do - and since you are not a believer, you should refrain from making ignorant posts quoting it.

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Because it's the language most of MAGA speaks. The only way (or at least the most effective) to measure their hypocrisy is to hold their opinions up to their 'lord's' decree. Politics in this country was always meant to be something 'outside' of (or separate from) the confines of religious doctrine. However conservatives simultaneously want to put up a poster of the 10 commandments in every public school classroom but at the same time cry 'it's about the individual choice.' They want to 'help the needy' but only if the needy can prove they can't work and entered the country legally. If a 10 year old doesn't have money to buy lunch at the school cafeteria, to you it's fair game because his deadbeat dad smoked all the families' resources in a pipe.

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where is the 10-year-olds mom, grandparents' other family, again why is that 10 year someone's responsibility?

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I don't care. It's my opinion that every single child in a public school should have access to a free lunch. Period. Rich or poor. I don't want any grade schooler to justify to me why they're hungry and can't afford to buy a meal.

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Since you are a 1%er, nothing is stopping you from providing that. Go for it. Unless you don't actually care enough to do it yourself, that is.

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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Cougar11 said:

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t - cam said:

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Cougar11 said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

Hey don't forget the kids! They're also arguing to take food security away from kids!

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why am I responsible to feed your kids?

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Not a Christian I presume?

Even if you are in fact heartless, this country you chose to live in has always and should always provide publicly available services for the overall wellbeing of its citizens.

---

Lot to unpack really dumb post.

1. Christianly doesn't teach you to have kids out of wedlock and be a leach on society.

2. Also, what happened to personal responsibility what if everyone decided to have kids and refuse to provide for them instead just seek government help?

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• Proverbs 19:17 - "Whoever is generous to the poor lends to the Lord, and he will repay him for his deed."
• Isaiah 58:10 - "If you pour yourself out for the hungry and satisfy the desire of the afflicted, then shall your light rise in the darkness…"
• Matthew 25:35-40 - "For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink... Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me."
• Deuteronomy 15:11 - "For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, 'You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor.'"
• Galatians 6:1-2 - "Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness... Bear one another's burdens."
• James 5:19-20 - "Whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins."

I'm not a particularly religious man, but I'm fairly confident that the bible preaches love, kindness, and generosity to EVERYONE including those who sin or 'leach on society.'

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And that generosity should be a private Individual decision not foisted upon us by the government. That is how giving was intended.

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If I tried to argue purely on the morality of government welfare, I know I'd lose because people here place little value on morality, but luckily for me there's economic benefits to welfare programs that help nearly everyone! So again, if your ability to empathize is lacking, at least learn the macro economic benefits. Studies have shown repeatedly that government welfare programs

• Act as automatic stabilizers during economic downturns
• Boost employment and labor force participation
• Support economic growth and reduce poverty
• Human capital development (reducing factors like low birth weight and improving educational outcomes)

Now the effectiveness of any specific welfare program can always be tweaked/improved, but denying the tangible benefits to EVERYONE in society cannot be denied.

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It literally does not mean anything you are implying it means. You have interjected your politics into each one of those.

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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Phatbob said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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Cougar11 said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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Cougar11 said:

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t - cam said:

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Cougar11 said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

Hey don't forget the kids! They're also arguing to take food security away from kids!

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why am I responsible to feed your kids?

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Not a Christian I presume?

Even if you are in fact heartless, this country you chose to live in has always and should always provide publicly available services for the overall wellbeing of its citizens.

---

Lot to unpack really dumb post.

1. Christianly doesn't teach you to have kids out of wedlock and be a leach on society.

2. Also, what happened to personal responsibility what if everyone decided to have kids and refuse to provide for them instead just seek government help?

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• Proverbs 19:17 - "Whoever is generous to the poor lends to the Lord, and he will repay him for his deed."
• Isaiah 58:10 - "If you pour yourself out for the hungry and satisfy the desire of the afflicted, then shall your light rise in the darkness…"
• Matthew 25:35-40 - "For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink... Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me."
• Deuteronomy 15:11 - "For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, 'You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor.'"
• Galatians 6:1-2 - "Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness... Bear one another's burdens."
• James 5:19-20 - "Whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins."

I'm not a particularly religious man, but I'm fairly confident that the bible preaches love, kindness, and generosity to EVERYONE including those who sin or 'leach on society.'

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You don't understand those scriptures. Not surprised. Why do liberals, most of whom are godless, quote the Bible?

We are never told in the Bible to use the government to take from others and give it to people that we believe need it. The Bible is talking to individual believers - what they should personally do - and since you are not a believer, you should refrain from making ignorant posts quoting it.

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Because it's the language most of MAGA speaks. The only way (or at least the most effective) to measure their hypocrisy is to hold their opinions up to their 'lord's' decree. Politics in this country was always meant to be something 'outside' of (or separate from) the confines of religious doctrine. However conservatives simultaneously want to put up a poster of the 10 commandments in every public school classroom but at the same time cry 'it's about the individual choice.' They want to 'help the needy' but only if the needy can prove they can't work and entered the country legally. If a 10 year old doesn't have money to buy lunch at the school cafeteria, to you it's fair game because his deadbeat dad smoked all the families' resources in a pipe.

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where is the 10-year-olds mom, grandparents' other family, again why is that 10 year someone's responsibility?

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I don't care. It's my opinion that every single child in a public school should have access to a free lunch. Period. Rich or poor. I don't want any grade schooler to justify to me why they're hungry and can't afford to buy a meal.

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Since you are a 1%er, nothing is stopping you from providing that. Go for it. Unless you don't actually care enough to do it yourself, that is.

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I should do more. You're right. I'm not giving as much as I could, but what I do give and what I am politically fighting for, is not a desire born from 'religious command.' I am not living a life of hypocrisy where on Sundays I listen to a Pastor preach the lessons of servitude, empathy, and kindess and then come Monday, yell about how all these immigrant children are leaching off society. I'm not the one who demands justification for why any child in public school needs food assistance.

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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Phatbob said:

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It literally does not mean anything you are implying it means. You have interjected your politics into each one of those.

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Hey sometimes you gotta fight fire with fire because you know what else Jesus never said anything about in the bible? Homosexuality or abortion. Yet Republicans have no hesitations about injecting their politics on those subjects in Jesus' name.

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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Phatbob said:

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It literally does not mean anything you are implying it means. You have interjected your politics into each one of those.

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Hey sometimes you gotta fight fire with fire because you know what else Jesus never said anything about in the bible? Homosexuality or abortion. Yet Republicans have no hesitations about injecting their politics on those subjects in Jesus' name.

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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Phatbob said:

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It literally does not mean anything you are implying it means. You have interjected your politics into each one of those.

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Hey sometimes you gotta fight fire with fire because you know what else Jesus never said anything about in the bible? Homosexuality or abortion. Yet Republicans have no hesitations about injecting their politics on those subjects in Jesus' name.

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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Phatbob said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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Phatbob said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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Cougar11 said:

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t - cam said:

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Cougar11 said:

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Quote:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

Hey don't forget the kids! They're also arguing to take food security away from kids!

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why am I responsible to feed your kids?

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Not a Christian I presume?

Even if you are in fact heartless, this country you chose to live in has always and should always provide publicly available services for the overall wellbeing of its citizens.

---

Lot to unpack really dumb post.

1. Christianly doesn't teach you to have kids out of wedlock and be a leach on society.

2. Also, what happened to personal responsibility what if everyone decided to have kids and refuse to provide for them instead just seek government help?

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• Proverbs 19:17 - "Whoever is generous to the poor lends to the Lord, and he will repay him for his deed."
• Isaiah 58:10 - "If you pour yourself out for the hungry and satisfy the desire of the afflicted, then shall your light rise in the darkness…"
• Matthew 25:35-40 - "For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink... Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me."
• Deuteronomy 15:11 - "For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, 'You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor.'"
• Galatians 6:1-2 - "Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness... Bear one another's burdens."
• James 5:19-20 - "Whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins."

I'm not a particularly religious man, but I'm fairly confident that the bible preaches love, kindness, and generosity to EVERYONE including those who sin or 'leach on society.'

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You don't understand those scriptures. Not surprised. Why do liberals, most of whom are godless, quote the Bible?

We are never told in the Bible to use the government to take from others and give it to people that we believe need it. The Bible is talking to individual believers - what they should personally do - and since you are not a believer, you should refrain from making ignorant posts quoting it.

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Because it's the language most of MAGA speaks. The only way (or at least the most effective) to measure their hypocrisy is to hold their opinions up to their 'lord's' decree. Politics in this country was always meant to be something 'outside' of (or separate from) the confines of religious doctrine. However conservatives simultaneously want to put up a poster of the 10 commandments in every public school classroom but at the same time cry 'it's about the individual choice.' They want to 'help the needy' but only if the needy can prove they can't work and entered the country legally. If a 10 year old doesn't have money to buy lunch at the school cafeteria, to you it's fair game because his deadbeat dad smoked all the families' resources in a pipe.

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It's not surprising that half of the verses you quoted have nothing to do with the poor, but with accountability among believers.

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And what about the other half?

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One thing they DO NOT say, is to have the government take care of them. It told the Church and the individual to feed and clothe the poor... not to "vote for programs". You'll see absolutely 0 reference in any scripture that allow having someone else or some government do it for you. Jesus called those people vipers, if you'll recall... or likely not.

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You sure about that? I mean pedantically, of course not because modern governments didn't exist then (it was a time of theocratic rule and what we would call "limited monarchy"), but that isn't to say the power of 'authority' wasnt instructed to care for those they 'shepard.'

Romans 13:1-4 (Paul):

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"Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities... For the one in authority is God's servant for your good."

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^It implies a responsibility to care for citizens and promote their well-being.

Jeremiah 22:3:

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"Do what is just and right. Rescue from the hand of the oppressor the one who has been robbed. Do no wrong or violence to the foreigner, the fatherless or the widow…"

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^God's expectation of leaders includes protecting the weak and ensuring justice.

But here's the best one, and I'm sure you'll tell me I'm 'interpreting it wrong':

Ezekiel 34:2-4 (about Israel's leaders):

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"Woe to the shepherds of Israel who only take care of themselves!... You have not strengthened the weak or healed the sick or bound up the injured…"

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"Shepard" is used here in a literal synonym for what we'd now call our political leaders to care for others.

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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Phatbob said:

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It literally does not mean anything you are implying it means. You have interjected your politics into each one of those.

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Hey sometimes you gotta fight fire with fire because you know what else Jesus never said anything about in the bible? Homosexuality or abortion. Yet Republicans have no hesitations about injecting their politics on those subjects in Jesus' name.

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GeorgiAg said:

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checking in on the Elon v. Trump thread.


Whoa, it's turned into a Bible fight!!!!!

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GeorgiAg said:

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checking in on the Elon v. Trump thread.


Whoa, it's turned into a Bible fight!!!!!

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txwxman said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Because it is the individual's responsibility to proved for their own and their family's healthcare. Not mine or the taxpayer.

My employer doesn't provide mine. I do. It is $32k a year. And my partners and I pay for the same coverage for our employees.

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The collective will of the nation says otherwise. Don't like it, talk to your representative and Senator.

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GeorgiAg said:

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checking in on the Elon v. Trump thread.


Whoa, it's turned into a Bible fight!!!!!

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