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Teslag said:

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tax cut for the wealthy

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When you say dumb **** like this it reminds me of why I'll never vote for a democrat

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If perceived idiocy is the motivating animus for your vote, GREAT JOB BY YOU!

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It's not perceived. I'm not ultra wealthy and I got a sizable tax cut under trumps bill. Most of us did.

That's why it's a ****ing stupid claim.

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(I was making an allusion to the idiocy displayed by the current POTUS)

It's not a 'claim.' It's per the research conducted by the CBO:

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CBO estimates that household resources would decrease by an amount equal to about 2 percent of income in the lowest decile (tenth) of the income distribution in 2027 and 4 percent in 2033, mainly as a result of losses of in-kind transfers, such as Medicaid and SNAP (see the figure).3 By contrast, resources would increase by an amount equal to 4 percent for households in the highest decile in 2027 and 2 percent in 2033, mainly because of reductions in they taxes they owe.

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Ya that's how percentages work Einstein. But your claim was that it was for the ultra wealthy. As in only them. It wasn't. We all got some back. And ay they got more, they ****ing pay more. Medicaid and snap? Ya **** those people. I loath leeches.

Just be honest about policy. Maybe if you did you wouldn't automatically push people away from your party.

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Teslag said:

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Teslag said:

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tax cut for the wealthy

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When you say dumb **** like this it reminds me of why I'll never vote for a democrat

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If perceived idiocy is the motivating animus for your vote, GREAT JOB BY YOU!

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It's not perceived. I'm not ultra wealthy and I got a sizable tax cut under trumps bill. Most of us did.

That's why it's a ****ing stupid claim.

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(I was making an allusion to the idiocy displayed by the current POTUS)

It's not a 'claim.' It's per the research conducted by the CBO:

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CBO estimates that household resources would decrease by an amount equal to about 2 percent of income in the lowest decile (tenth) of the income distribution in 2027 and 4 percent in 2033, mainly as a result of losses of in-kind transfers, such as Medicaid and SNAP (see the figure).3 By contrast, resources would increase by an amount equal to 4 percent for households in the highest decile in 2027 and 2 percent in 2033, mainly because of reductions in they taxes they owe.

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Ya that's how percentages work Einstein. But your claim was that it was for the ultra wealthy. As in only them. It wasn't. We all got some back. And ay they got more, they ****ing pay more. Medicaid and snap? Ya **** those people. I loath leeches.

Just be honest about policy. Maybe if you did you wouldn't automatically push people away from your party.

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I said it benefits the wealthy at the expense of the bottom income earners and it does. Beyond the pure income tax cuts, there are more valuable tax breaks tied to business income, state and local taxes and the estate tax that overwhelmingly benefit the wealthy.

And SNAP has been studied which estimates that every SNAP dollar invested in children returns $62 in value over their lifetimes (due to a range of benefits including improved educational outcomes, higher earnings in adulthood, increased life expectancy, and increased government tax revenue).

It sounds like your hatred of 'idiocy' is only matched by your antipathy of the less fortunate (and misunderstanding of macroeconomics). A paragon of your Republican cohort, you are.

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I said it benefits the wealthy at the expense of the bottom income earners and it does.

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Thank you, I think I will be okay. Have not worked for the man in years.

And during the temporary sell-off over tariffs, I was still able to buy the wife her Mercedes.

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Good to see you read my posts and remember them. Flattering.
So now you are boot-licking CEOs and that is okay. I will work on you and convert you as well. Just a matter of time.

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I have a pretty good memory. Not quite eidetic but on that spectrum. It's a blessing and a curse.

I have some to enjoy your jihad on corporate America. It teeters on the extreme but I oft use hyperbole and exaggeration to make a point.

I will bang on bad corporate CEOs and how they got there all you want, but it may be time to have a separate thread on that. Simply a suggestion.

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Teslag said:

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tax cut for the wealthy

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When you say dumb **** like this it reminds me of why I'll never vote for a democrat

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If perceived idiocy is the motivating animus for your vote, GREAT JOB BY YOU!

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It's not perceived. I'm not ultra wealthy and I got a sizable tax cut under trumps bill. Most of us did.

That's why it's a ****ing stupid claim.

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(I was making an allusion to the idiocy displayed by the current POTUS)

It's not a 'claim.' It's per the research conducted by the CBO:

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CBO estimates that household resources would decrease by an amount equal to about 2 percent of income in the lowest decile (tenth) of the income distribution in 2027 and 4 percent in 2033, mainly as a result of losses of in-kind transfers, such as Medicaid and SNAP (see the figure).3 By contrast, resources would increase by an amount equal to 4 percent for households in the highest decile in 2027 and 2 percent in 2033, mainly because of reductions in they taxes they owe.

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Ya that's how percentages work Einstein. But your claim was that it was for the ultra wealthy. As in only them. It wasn't. We all got some back. And ay they got more, they ****ing pay more. Medicaid and snap? Ya **** those people. I loath leeches.

Just be honest about policy. Maybe if you did you wouldn't automatically push people away from your party.

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I said it benefits the wealthy at the expense of the bottom income earners and it does. Beyond the pure income tax cuts, there are more valuable tax breaks tied to business income, state and local taxes and the estate tax that overwhelmingly benefit the wealthy.

And SNAP has been studied which estimates that every SNAP dollar invested in children returns $62 in value over their lifetimes (due to a range of benefits including improved educational outcomes, higher earnings in adulthood, increased life expectancy, and increased government tax revenue).

It sounds like your hatred of 'idiocy' is only matched by your antipathy of the less fortunate (and misunderstanding of macroeconomics). A paragon of your Republican cohort, you are.

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• extending the requirements to households with children, unless they have a child under age seven;
• expanding the work requirements and time limits to individuals ages 55 through 64;
• limiting states' flexibility to request waivers of the work requirement policies in high unemployment areas; and
• reducing discretionary exemptions from the time limits that states may provide.

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He criticized the bill first.

Trump then criticized elon personally. Trump is the ***** here

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Elon not only accused Trump of being a pedophile but also that he (Elon) knew it and was sitting on it until it suited him to go public with it for his benefit.
Trump is an ******* but he's our *******.
What Musk did is unforgivable and hurts the nation.

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So in your scenario, it's worse for Elon to know Trump was a pedophile and not share it than for Trump to be a pedophile?

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He criticized the bill first.

Trump then criticized elon personally. Trump is the ***** here

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Elon not only accused Trump of being a pedophile but also that he (Elon) knew it and was sitting on it until it suited him to go public with it for his benefit.
Trump is an ******* but he's our *******.
What Musk did is unforgivable and hurts the nation.

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So in your scenario, it's worse for Elon to know Trump was a pedophile and not share it than for Trump to be a pedophile?

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Sums up the MAGA cult perfectly. "Yeah, my guy might be a pedo…but he's OUR pedo. And those who didn't disclose it earlier are worse than the actual pedo." And many people with this mindset would label themselves followers of Christ…unreal times we live in, but damn if it's not amusing/entertaining.

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Sums up the MAGA cult perfectly. "Yeah, my guy might be a pedo…but he's OUR pedo

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Cougar11 said:

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So now we are running with Trump is a pedo, some of yall are just insane. TDS has not limits apparently

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One of these days you might get out of the bottom 20%, start paying taxes, and benefit from a tax cut. The majority of the bottom 20% pay nothing in federal income tax, thus a tax cut doesn't help them. That's not a bad thing. I'm more than ok not paying any taxes and not getting a tax cut.

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Thank goodness we didn't get DeSantis. We would have totally missed this Jerry Springer-esque meltdown. Nice work, folks.

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You think DeSantis would have won? Really?

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You think DeSantis would have lost to Kamala? Really?

She's arguably the worst candidate to forward to POTUS in the history of the country, certainly the modern era.

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Right the only reason it was close was because she was going against the other worst candidate in history.

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Welcome to the preservative party. Maintaining American ideals and exceptionalism are highly important to me.

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ETFan said:

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Logos Stick said:

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One of these days you might get out of the bottom 20%, start paying taxes, and benefit from a tax cut. The majority of the bottom 20% pay nothing in federal income tax, thus a tax cut doesn't help them. That's not a bad thing. I'm more than ok not paying any taxes and not getting a tax cut.

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I'm well above your hypothetical, my SO is a sole proprietor, and our net worth is 7 figures. We don't need a meager fing tax break if it means kicking people off medical insurance. If it means a moronic Ai provision. If it means increasing the deficit by $2.4T+ . We can find the savings somewhere else or forgo the "tax relief".

It's not that hard.

Blanket tariff tax? "toughen up it had to be done!"

Threat of tax cut ending? *endless crying*

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Sums up the MAGA cult perfectly. "Yeah, my guy might be a pedo…but he's OUR pedo. And those who didn't disclose it earlier are worse than the actual pedo." And many people with this mindset would label themselves followers of Christ…unreal times we live in, but damn if it's not amusing/entertaining.

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We don't need a meager fing tax break if it means kicking people off medical insurance

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Full blown corruption, maga doesn't care

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Show us the receipts. Since you are hardwired antiTrump, everything you say is taken with a grain of salt.

Do you know why the Trumps started their coin?

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We don't need a meager fing tax break if it means kicking people off medical insurance

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Nothing is stopping you from purchasing health insurance for these trash on your on dime Mr Seven Figures

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You really have an off putting attitude towards those less fortunate than you. Might want to work on that.

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You really have an off putting attitude towards those less fortunate than you. Might want to work on that.

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Being poor in America in 2025 has very little to do with fortune and far more to do with choices and irresponsible behavior. Alas, I generally loathe the poor.

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People realize the Medicaid thing is just health insurance and is paid to the healthcare workers providing a service to someone?

People aren't sitting at home collecting Medicaid checks. We're literally arguing we should cut health insurance to millions of poor people and payment/service to millions of healthcare providers?

There's no positive there except those already well off, who have insurance, keep living the same life and have a little extra.

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Full blown corruption, maga doesn't care

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Show us the receipts. Since you are hardwired antiTrump, everything you say is taken with a grain of salt.

Do you know why the Trumps started their coin?

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To profit off the presidency?

The receipts are the daily trading volume of a meme coin the POTUS is actively shilling while sitting in the most powerful position in the world.

Sorry if this is considered a derail.

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People realize the Medicaid thing is just health insurance and is paid to the healthcare workers providing a service to someone?

People aren't sitting at home collecting Medicaid checks. We're literally arguing we should cut health insurance to millions of poor people and payment/service to millions of healthcare providers?

There's no positive there except those already well off, who have insurance, keep living the same life and have a little extra.

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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I hate paying taxes because they spend 3 times what I give them and make what I keep less valuable. Does that make me unsympathetic?

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I hate paying taxes because they spend 3 times what I give them and make what I keep less valuable. Does that make me unsympathetic?

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So you admit that it's the spending that's the problem.

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So let me get this straight, Musk says Trump he is a pedo because he says he's on the Epstein list.

If he truly was implicated as a pedo by being on this list, Dems would've been crowing about this from the rooftops the first opportunity they could leak it. Musk doesn't have special access to the list/report that Dems don't.

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People realize the Medicaid thing is just health insurance and is paid to the healthcare workers providing a service to someone?

People aren't sitting at home collecting Medicaid checks. We're literally arguing we should cut health insurance to millions of poor people and payment/service to millions of healthcare providers?

There's no positive there except those already well off, who have insurance, keep living the same life and have a little extra.

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rgag12 said:

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So let me get this straight, Musk says Trump he is a pedo because he says he's on the Epstein list.

If he truly was implicated as a pedo by being on this list, Dems would've been crowing about this from the rooftops the first opportunity they could leak it. Musk doesn't have special access to the list/report that Dems don't.

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tax cut for the wealthy

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When you say dumb **** like this it reminds me of why I'll never vote for a democrat

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If perceived idiocy is the motivating animus for your vote, GREAT JOB BY YOU!

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