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My own grades on Trump thus far:

1) Border: A
2) Culture Wars (e.g., reversing DEI trends that had gone too far): A
3) Economy: Incomplete (I am still in wait and see mode and anything from A to F seems possible)
4) Foreign Policy: F - I am not at all convinced Trump or his administration have a well thought out strategy RE Russia/Ukraine, the Gaza problem, maintaining strong relationships with allies, etc..
5) Entertainment: A - Always been a Trump strong point

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I give him a D (incomplete) on Jobs. He has shaken it up a bit but he needs to look into H1B and cancel it and replace it with something fool proof. And tariff the offshorers. Either hire here in the US or GTFO to Bangladesh or Somalia. These corps don't do any one a favor by opening their companies here and hire there.

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I give him an A on all 5 but would see purging the deep state etc. as a separate category, also an A.

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lol you have got to be kidding

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Absolutely not. USAID and USIP alone warrant at least a B. Gutting state department/other NGO money pits are the highlights of the admin so far.

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Ok and what about Trump himself creating a meme coin that allows anonymous 'donors' to buy access to him with a private dinner at Mar a Lago funded by tax payer dollars? Is that factored in your 'deep state' score or you think it belongs in a different category?

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By the very nature of the event the "donors" could not be "anonymous".

Also, and it's been pointed out multiple times, other than the initial issuance of the coin at the original par value, there has been no further money to a Trump org on this. So cut it with the misinformation.

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Im saying I'll never vote for a democrat no matter who runs as a republican

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considering trump governs more like a communist head of state than anyone before him, looks like you did vote for a democrat!

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He criticized the bill first.

Trump then criticized elon personally. Trump is the ***** here

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Elon not only accused Trump of being a pedophile but also that he (Elon) knew it and was sitting on it until it suited him to go public with it for his benefit.
Trump is an ******* but he's our *******.
What Musk did is unforgivable and hurts the nation.

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So in your scenario, it's worse for Elon to know Trump was a pedophile and not share it than for Trump to be a pedophile?

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Talk about missing the point. Wow.
And don't put words in my mouth to create your ridiculous straw man.

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BREAKING: President Trump is considering selling or giving away the red Tesla, $TSLA, that he purchased earlier this year, per WSJ

— unusual_whales (@unusual_whales) June 6, 2025

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It's like the movie "The War of the Roses," only infinitely funnier because it involves the president of the U.S.. LOL

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My own grades on Trump thus far:

1) Border: A
2) Culture Wars (e.g., reversing DEI trends that had gone too far): A
3) Economy: Incomplete (I am still in wait and see mode and anything from A to F seems possible)
4) Foreign Policy: F - I am not at all convinced Trump or his administration have a well thought out strategy RE Russia/Ukraine, the Gaza problem, maintaining strong relationships with allies, etc..
5) Entertainment: A - Always been a Trump strong point

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Good post....here's my take:

1) I'd say A+; but that's splitting hairs
2) Agreed
3) Agreed...the BBB has to get passed...and after that the DOGE process has to start to cut the bloat.
4) B+ so far...Not near as critical as you. A big part of foreign policy is also border related; and I see no issues with his Gaza policy which is finally let the Israeli's deal with Hamas. He offered them the moon; and Hamas did what Hamas, et al, have been doing since I lost friends in Beirut. He also made it clear that Egypt, Jordan, the ME at large has no intention of helping "the poor Palestinians". So that is also a win. This policy in my view is a success. When Hamas is gone; then let's talk about what the US can/should do for Gaza (which I think is generally just pave it over...been an issue since Genesis). As for the Ukes and Russians...I really don't care as long as we are out of it. He's got them talking which they weren't before...as for Allies; the discussion at this next NATO meeting is getting them to 5% and most are now there. Again, another win and consistent with Trump 45 callouts on NATO being a paper tiger only supported by the US. Not really sure what you expected for 140 days.
5) Not something I rate for any president
6) Military A+- very happy with how that is going...firing generals, holding people accountable, already made the 2025 recruiting number

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tax cut for the wealthy

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When you say dumb **** like this it reminds me of why I'll never vote for a democrat

ok, I gave this middle school twitter battle 48-hours to develop.

As brilliant as both men are, they sure are gaywads.

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He criticized the bill first.

Trump then criticized elon personally. Trump is the ***** here

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Elon not only accused Trump of being a pedophile but also that he (Elon) knew it and was sitting on it until it suited him to go public with it for his benefit.
Trump is an ******* but he's our *******.
What Musk did is unforgivable and hurts the nation.

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So in your scenario, it's worse for Elon to know Trump was a pedophile and not share it than for Trump to be a pedophile?

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It's as maga logic as it gets.

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Not only that, but in his scenario, he would ALSO now know that Trump is a pedophile, but he's OUR pedophile, and so what Musk did for exposing him is unforgivable...

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You people are absolutely insufferable. Strawmen, ad hominems, completely twisting words to fit your narrative.

If Trump was on the list you don't think we'd know about it? You don't think the Biden DOJ would have absolutely nuked him on that?

They're both acting like absolute children. My comment was a response to the comment I quoted and meant to reflect the fact that we know what Trump is. We voted for him despite that.
Elon is throwing a temper tantrum because the EV mandate got yanked.

How dare you insinuate that I condone, much less defend pedophilia simply because he's "our guy". Absolutely warped.

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When you say dumb **** like this it reminds me of why I'll never vote for a democrat

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If perceived idiocy is the motivating animus for your vote, GREAT JOB BY YOU!

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He criticized the bill first.

Trump then criticized elon personally. Trump is the ***** here

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Elon not only accused Trump of being a pedophile but also that he (Elon) knew it and was sitting on it until it suited him to go public with it for his benefit.
Trump is an ******* but he's our *******.
What Musk did is unforgivable and hurts the nation.

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So in your scenario, it's worse for Elon to know Trump was a pedophile and not share it than for Trump to be a pedophile?

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It's as maga logic as it gets.

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Not only that, but in his scenario, he would ALSO now know that Trump is a pedophile, but he's OUR pedophile, and so what Musk did for exposing him is unforgivable...

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You people are absolutely insufferable. Strawmen, ad hominems, completely twisting words to fit your narrative.

If Trump was on the list you don't think we'd know about it? You don't think the Biden DOJ would have absolutely nuked him on that?

They're both acting like absolute children. My comment was a response to the comment I quoted and meant to reflect the fact that we know what Trump is. We voted for him despite that.
Elon is throwing a temper tantrum because the EV mandate got yanked.

How dare you insinuate that I condone, much less defend pedophilia simply because he's "our guy". Absolutely warped.

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Dude, I'm a logic guy, and I just followed your logic. No I don't think you condone pedophilia, but your reason for attacking Musk while defending Trump makes no sense.

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tax cut for the wealthy

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When you say dumb **** like this it reminds me of why I'll never vote for a democrat

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If perceived idiocy is the motivating animus for your vote, GREAT JOB BY YOU!

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It's a lie

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"The economy is booming, unquestionably, in report after report, though real estate market concerns me."

Uh, booming? With the credit downgrade, the crashing markets, . . . nevermind, you're clearly not paying attention. The economy sucks right now and it's because of Trump.

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Booming with low paid walmart greeter jobs. All the high paid tech jobs are going to foreigners.

Who are they fooling?

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Move to Bangladesh, reapply, profit?!

Cost of living has to be way cheaper in Bangladesh. You could live like a king, have servants, then apply for an H1B visa when you ready to come back.

You have got to improve your outlook brother.

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No need to worry about me. I am financially good, I don't need to work and I rake money in.. I have put myself in a position where if corps make money, I make money. In a way I am working against my own selfish interest by speaking up because I know it is harmful for America long term (and our kids).

I am worried about people like yourself who think they will get rich by making rich men richer.

So focus on yourself. And your kids. Walmart greeter/bagger jobs don't take you very far.

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ok, I gave this middle school twitter battle 48-hours to develop.

As brilliant as both men are, they sure are gaywads.

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I last heard that word in 1997 during my A&M days when I used to prowl around IRC late night. Someone there from Lufkin used to use that.

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When you say dumb **** like this it reminds me of why I'll never vote for a democrat

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If perceived idiocy is the motivating animus for your vote, GREAT JOB BY YOU!

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It's not perceived. I'm not ultra wealthy and I got a sizable tax cut under trumps bill. Most of us did.

That's why it's a ****ing stupid claim.

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Musk isn't stupid. Him cancelling the SpaceX stuff impacts real people and hurts those folks who are up in space right now. I totally see why he changed his mind.

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Who could have ever guessed that placing the prospects of the American space program in the hands of a drugged-up, narcissist dork would weaken our hand moving forward. Two morons huffing their own rancid farts for the world to see. Yay Amurica.

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Musk isn't stupid. Him cancelling the SpaceX stuff impacts real people and hurts those folks who are up in space right now. I totally see why he changed his mind.

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Who could have ever guessed that placing the prospects of the American space program in the hands of a drugged-up, narcissist dork would weaken our hand moving forward. Two morons huffing their own rancid farts for the world to see. Yay Amurica.

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You do realize that before they placed "the prospects of the American space program in the hands of a drugged-up, narcissist dork" it was in the hands of Putin, right? We were relying on Russia. That is how they were doing before, and now we're catching rockets on the launchpad for reuse.

Thank you, I think I will be okay. Have not worked for the man in years.

And during the temporary sell-off over tariffs, I was still able to buy the wife her Mercedes.

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My own grades on Trump thus far:

1) Border: A
2) Culture Wars (e.g., reversing DEI trends that had gone too far): A
3) Economy: Incomplete (I am still in wait and see mode and anything from A to F seems possible)
4) Foreign Policy: F - I am not at all convinced Trump or his administration have a well thought out strategy RE Russia/Ukraine, the Gaza problem, maintaining strong relationships with allies, etc..
5) Entertainment: A - Always been a Trump strong point

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I give him a D (incomplete) on Jobs. He has shaken it up a bit but he needs to look into H1B and cancel it and replace it with something fool proof. And tariff the offshorers. Either hire here in the US or GTFO to Bangladesh or Somalia. These corps don't do any one a favor by opening their companies here and hire there.

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I give him an A on all 5 but would see purging the deep state etc. as a separate category, also an A.

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Absolutely not. USAID and USIP alone warrant at least a B. Gutting state department/other NGO money pits are the highlights of the admin so far.

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Ok and what about Trump himself creating a meme coin that allows anonymous 'donors' to buy access to him with a private dinner at Mar a Lago funded by tax payer dollars? Is that factored in your 'deep state' score or you think it belongs in a different category?

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By the very nature of the event the "donors" could not be "anonymous".

Also, and it's been pointed out multiple times, other than the initial issuance of the coin at the original par value, there has been no further money to a Trump org on this. So cut it with the misinformation.

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The attendees of the dinner are not publicized, but even then that's just who 'accepted' the invite, We have no way to know who is buying these coins.

As to your last point, you don't know what you're talking about. When the meme coin was first launched, its creators initially released 20% of the planned 1 billion total coins. Half of that 20% was put up for public sale while the other half was put into a liquidity pool. CIC Digital, an affiliate of the Trump Organization, and another company receive "trading revenue derived from trading activities" of the Trump meme coins. <--This is important.

Through the liquidity pool, the creators of Trump's meme coins make money by charging tiny fees on each trade.

You don't really care about what happens to the price. You only care that there is continuous volume because the more volume there is, that means more trades and therefore more fees for Trump.

Since cryptocurrency blockchains are public, it's possible to track how much in trading fees has been paid. Chainalysis said Trump meme coin creators made more than $1.3 million in trading fees in the week after the dinner was first announced.

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Musk isn't stupid. Him cancelling the SpaceX stuff impacts real people and hurts those folks who are up in space right now. I totally see why he changed his mind.

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Who could have ever guessed that placing the prospects of the American space program in the hands of a drugged-up, narcissist dork would weaken our hand moving forward. Two morons huffing their own rancid farts for the world to see. Yay Amurica.

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You do realize that before they placed "the prospects of the American space program in the hands of a drugged-up, narcissist dork" it was in the hands of Putin, right? We were relying on Russia. That is how they were doing before, and now we're catching rockets on the launchpad for reuse.

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Until he wakes up one morning from a Ketamine bender and decides he doesn't want to work with us anymore.

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Thank you, I think I will be okay. Have not worked for the man in years.

And during the temporary sell-off over tariffs, I was still able to buy the wife her Mercedes.

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Winning

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Musk isn't stupid. Him cancelling the SpaceX stuff impacts real people and hurts those folks who are up in space right now. I totally see why he changed his mind.

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Who could have ever guessed that placing the prospects of the American space program in the hands of a drugged-up, narcissist dork would weaken our hand moving forward. Two morons huffing their own rancid farts for the world to see. Yay Amurica.

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You do realize that before they placed "the prospects of the American space program in the hands of a drugged-up, narcissist dork" it was in the hands of Putin, right? We were relying on Russia. That is how they were doing before, and now we're catching rockets on the launchpad for reuse.

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Until he wakes up one morning from a Ketamine bender and decides he doesn't want to work with us anymore.

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Yeah, cause he has a track record of that and all. He definitely doesn't have a track record of trolling... Come on, use a couple of those couple of brain cells ya got there.

The MEME coin was created as an avenue to collect funds for bribes. Good new for those criminals that are no longer being investigated by the IRS, Trump is a man of his word.

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When you say dumb **** like this it reminds me of why I'll never vote for a democrat

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If perceived idiocy is the motivating animus for your vote, GREAT JOB BY YOU!

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It's not perceived. I'm not ultra wealthy and I got a sizable tax cut under trumps bill. Most of us did.

That's why it's a ****ing stupid claim.

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(I was making an allusion to the idiocy displayed by the current POTUS)

It's not a 'claim.' It's per the research conducted by the CBO:

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CBO estimates that household resources would decrease by an amount equal to about 2 percent of income in the lowest decile (tenth) of the income distribution in 2027 and 4 percent in 2033, mainly as a result of losses of in-kind transfers, such as Medicaid and SNAP (see the figure).3 By contrast, resources would increase by an amount equal to 4 percent for households in the highest decile in 2027 and 2 percent in 2033, mainly because of reductions in they taxes they owe.

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The MEME coin was created as an avenue to collect funds for bribes. Good new for those criminals that are no longer being investigated by the IRS, Trump is a man of his

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this seems like Qanon stuff right here.

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If perceived idiocy is the motivating animus for your vote, GREAT JOB BY YOU!

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It's not perceived. I'm not ultra wealthy and I got a sizable tax cut under trumps bill. Most of us did.

That's why it's a ****ing stupid claim.

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(I was making an allusion to the idiocy displayed by the current POTUS)

It's not a 'claim.' It's per the research conducted by the CBO:

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CBO estimates that household resources would decrease by an amount equal to about 2 percent of income in the lowest decile (tenth) of the income distribution in 2027 and 4 percent in 2033, mainly as a result of losses of in-kind transfers, such as Medicaid and SNAP (see the figure).3 By contrast, resources would increase by an amount equal to 4 percent for households in the highest decile in 2027 and 2 percent in 2033, mainly because of reductions in they taxes they owe.

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Ya that's how percentages work Einstein. But your claim was that it was for the ultra wealthy. As in only them. It wasn't. We all got some back. And ay they got more, they ****ing pay more. Medicaid and snap? Ya **** those people. I loath leeches.

Just be honest about policy. Maybe if you did you wouldn't automatically push people away from your party.

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The MEME coin was created as an avenue to collect funds for bribes. Good new for those criminals that are no longer being investigated by the IRS, Trump is a man of his

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this seems like Qanon stuff right here.

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The names no longer being under investigation for Tax related issues and those that invested heavily in the coin as well as those purchasing the access dinners line up very well.

It's not Oanon, It's in the open.

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The MEME coin was created as an avenue to collect funds for bribes. Good new for those criminals that are no longer being investigated by the IRS, Trump is a man of his

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this seems like Qanon stuff right here.

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It's not though? The coin exists. The transactions exist. Hell, Trump was shilling it on truth last night after the feud.

Full blown corruption, maga doesn't care. Ask yourself, truly ask yourself, how you'd feel if Biden had a crypto coin anybody in the world could anonymously send money to while they openly advertised it, during his presidency.

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The MEME coin was created as an avenue to collect funds for bribes. Good new for those criminals that are no longer being investigated by the IRS, Trump is a man of his

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this seems like Qanon stuff right here.

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It's not though? The coin exists. The transactions exist. Hell, Trump was shilling it on truth last night after the feud.

Full blown corruption, maga doesn't care. Ask yourself, truly ask yourself, how you'd feel if Biden had a crypto coin anybody in the world could anonymously send money to while they openly advertised it, during his presidency.

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They aren't going to touch the actual substance of it. They're lying. We know they're lying. They know we know. And all of us know the answer to your shoe on the other foot question.

This is what it looks like when you have fealty to a man over principles. You have to twist yourself into inconceivable knots like this that just make you look silly. But you have no other choice to keep digging, you're in too deep.

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The MEME coin was created as an avenue to collect funds for bribes. Good new for those criminals that are no longer being investigated by the IRS, Trump is a man of his

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this seems like Qanon stuff right here.

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It's not though? The coin exists. The transactions exist. Hell, Trump was shilling it on truth last night after the feud.

Full blown corruption, maga doesn't care. Ask yourself, truly ask yourself, how you'd feel if Biden had a crypto coin anybody in the world could anonymously send money to while they openly advertised it, during his presidency.

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Here comes something about how it would be within his rights or some other nonsense.

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Thank you, I think I will be okay. Have not worked for the man in years.

And during the temporary sell-off over tariffs, I was still able to buy the wife her Mercedes.

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Good to see you read my posts and remember them. Flattering.
So now you are boot-licking CEOs and that is okay. I will work on you and convert you as well. Just a matter of time.

PS: Didn't buy the Merc for my wife yet, though I have the entire money sitting in my checking account collecting zero interest. I took her to a Merc test drive last week and she says she did not like it to much. Hmm... now she wants to see Audi and maybe BMW. Women!! They can never make up their minds. You never know, she may decide to slum it and go for a Lexus. Or maybe she prefers to have a reason to complain about her 13 year old SUV. If I buy her something nice, she will lose out on an alibi. You never know women.

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Thank you, I think I will be okay. Have not worked for the man in years.

And during the temporary sell-off over tariffs, I was still able to buy the wife her Mercedes.

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Good to see you read my posts and remember them. Flattering.
So now you are boot-licking CEOs and that is okay. I will work on you and convert you as well. Just a matter of time.

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I have a pretty good memory. Not quite eidetic but on that spectrum. It's a blessing and a curse.

I have some to enjoy your jihad on corporate America. It teeters on the extreme but I oft use hyperbole and exaggeration to make a point.

I will bang on bad corporate CEOs and how they got there all you want, but it may be time to have a separate thread on that. Simply a suggestion.

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I am not surprised that the Trump-Musk feud has escalated because two egomaniacs in close proximity increase the risk of a fractured friendship.

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Good Lord, C3PO! Do you have any original ideas??

For those of you who don't know what I'm talking about, this guy does this regularly, if indeed he is an actual person. Here's my post from page 1:

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Two egomaniacs in close proximity is not a great recipe for friendship

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Show us the receipts. Since you are hardwired antiTrump, everything you say is taken with a grain of salt.

Do you know why the Trumps started their coin?

As a voter, Trump works for me, not the other way around.

He's done some good things and bad things.

He deserves credit for the good (Immigration control, reduced regulations, confronting DEI, avoiding tax increases, eliminating wasteful spending, etc.).

He also deserves criticism for the bad (inflationary, disruptive tariffs and out-of-control spending, sucking up to Putin, etc.).

The notion that you have to be either all-in for Trump or completely opposed is nuts.

He was still a much better choice than Harris. I'll take a flawed Trump over a despicable Harris, but I'll also call out his stupid behavior and bad policies along the way.

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Show us the receipts. Since you are hardwired antiTrump, everything you say is taken with a grain of salt.

Do you know why the Trumps started their coin?

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To make money?